Too many strikeouts

[jcar0725]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I disagree with this. I'm close to 100 games played on AS+ default (no QCs) into my franchise and I see a very strong correlation between K/9 ratings and the pitcher's K-rates in played games. I have some guys averaging 5 or 6 K/9 and others who average more than a 1K per inning.





Sorry, I forgot one critical detail. I DO NOT use quick counts and I would be remiss if I did not point that out as I have noted a correlation between people having "issues" quite often being those using QCs (acknowledging also that correlation does not equal causation).

Man I have always followed your advice on this game ! But I am at a loss played 100 or so games so far and I cannot get the CPU to be a challenge at all with classic pitching, no quick counts. I've tried AS, AS+, HOF, and now I'm going up to try legend. All I want is a challenge. I literally have games where I throw nothing but fastballs down the middle and the CPU does nothing.

My franchises this year have taken a dump because of this and it hasn't been nearly as much fun as it should be trying to lock my settings in, instead of enjoying the game.

I'm not necessarily seeing too many strikeouts, I'm seeing a completely punchless CPU that looks lost at the plate. I really hope I'm just doing something wrong...

[Seancefc]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Man I have always followed your advice on this game ! But I am at a loss played 100 or so games so far and I cannot get the CPU to be a challenge at all with classic pitching, no quick counts. I've tried AS, AS+, HOF, and now I'm going up to try legend. All I want is a challenge. I literally have games where I throw nothing but fastballs down the middle and the CPU does nothing.

My franchises this year have taken a dump because of this and it hasn't been nearly as much fun as it should be trying to lock my settings in, instead of enjoying the game.

I'm not necessarily seeing too many strikeouts, I'm seeing a completely punchless CPU that looks lost at the plate. I really hope I'm just doing something wrong...

Have you raised the cpu hitting sliders? Especially contact and solid hits.

[DarthRambo]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Quick counts doesn't give more or less strikeouts though. A very common misconception is using QC makes pitching and/or hitting easier. If anything, I find it easier to get Ks without cause I can get to 0-2, and 1-2 counts most of the time. But I've played without a bunch earlier this year with the way QC pitch counts tally now. And it all evens out and I get same stats and numbers with and without.

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[bronxbombers21325]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Man I have always followed your advice on this game ! But I am at a loss played 100 or so games so far and I cannot get the CPU to be a challenge at all with classic pitching, no quick counts. I've tried AS, AS+, HOF, and now I'm going up to try legend. All I want is a challenge. I literally have games where I throw nothing but fastballs down the middle and the CPU does nothing.

My franchises this year have taken a dump because of this and it hasn't been nearly as much fun as it should be trying to lock my settings in, instead of enjoying the game.

I'm not necessarily seeing too many strikeouts, I'm seeing a completely punchless CPU that looks lost at the plate. I really hope I'm just doing something wrong...

The most runs I've managed to get the CPU to put up against me is 6. Thats around 50 or 60 games, give or take. Normally I'm lucky to get them to score 3.

[JoshC1977]

Re: Too many strikeouts

The most runs I've managed to get the CPU to put up against me is 6. Thats around 50 or 60 games, give or take. Normally I'm lucky to get them to score 3.

I...don't...get....this....

Yes, I am using the Reds but our team ERA is 4.5 through 100-ish games (which is right where it should be). My last game was literally a 10-7 final (we lost). We've definitely had a mix of low-scoring games as well but holistically, I've just not seen an issue.

It makes me wonder if there is some trigger...a setting some folks have innocently enabled/changed, that can lead to this (obviously, rosters are another potential culprit).

[bryanm1982]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I...don't...get....this....

Yes, I am using the Reds but our team ERA is 4.5 through 100-ish games (which is right where it should be). My last game was literally a 10-7 final (we lost). We've definitely had a mix of low-scoring games as well but holistically, I've just not seen an issue.

It makes me wonder if there is some trigger...a setting some folks have innocently enabled/changed, that can lead to this (obviously, rosters are another potential culprit).

I always wondered too. It would be awesome if we can figure it out if that is the case.

I know you use clean screen but that shouldn’t make a big difference of what we are seeing. Or it shouldn’t give us this unrealistic advantage using the pitch marker.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Too many strikeouts

The most runs I've managed to get the CPU to put up against me is 6. Thats around 50 or 60 games, give or take. Normally I'm lucky to get them to score 3.

I'll second Josh here and say that once I started playing good teams, I got tagged pretty quickly.

I trotted Strider out against SD and got nailed for 12 runs that game, I think, and my pen gave up runs, too.

Here's what I think, TBH: I believe in the description of how DD works that was rolled out when it was introduced, there was some stuff in there about the logic accounting for things like homers, doubles, maybe runs, etc., when evaluating how you are playing and moving you through the levels.

I think the mechanic makes sure the big stuff/needle movers when it comes to outcomes is right, as I seem to get more variety of outcomes when I use DD than when I use a static difficulty level.

Maybe give DD a try. Set it to start at a level you think is a good starting point, then see where it takes you.

The great thing is that you can set how quickly it progresses you (and even turn the slider to 0 so you lock in), and if you ever need to recalibrate, it takes 10 minutes max to do so in an exhibition game.

To the larger point of the thread, I was normally striking out 13-15x a game on regular difficulty levels, but that came down to 6-7 or so for average games on DD at AS+, just FWIW.

[JoshC1977]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I always wondered too. It would be awesome if we can figure it out if that is the case.

I know you use clean screen but that shouldn’t make a big difference of what we are seeing. Or it shouldn’t give us this unrealistic advantage using the pitch marker.

There are several things that I personally do that MAY be outside the norm of what others do...

1. The ONLY sliders I adjust are the two injury sliders (and the dynamic difficulty sensitivity slider to 0 since I am on a locked AS+ difficulty). I don't touch a thing, including pitch speeds.

2. I play every game without Quick Counts.

3. I have ALL visual aids off, including controller vibration and use broadcast camera for pitching. Real life pitchers don't get a marker of where they are aiming; I feel like I shouldn't either...

4. I exclusively use SDS rosters (I am using the "opening day" which added guys like Senga for my franchise) without any global ratings edits.

5. I DO NOT follow catcher signs; I call my own pitches. I often dominate if I follow them exclusively (though a great strategy if you want to breeze through Moments in DD).

6. I use single-team control in my franchise. This shouldn't matter...but adding it for completeness.

[jcar0725]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I'll second Josh here and say that once I started playing good teams, I got tagged pretty quickly.

I trotted Strider out against SD and got nailed for 12 runs that game, I think, and my pen gave up runs, too.

Here's what I think, TBH: I believe in the description of how DD works that was rolled out when it was introduced, there was some stuff in there about the logic accounting for things like homers, doubles, maybe runs, etc., when evaluating how you are playing and moving you through the levels.

I think the mechanic makes sure the big stuff/needle movers when it comes to outcomes is right, as I seem to get more variety of outcomes when I use DD than when I use a static difficulty level.

Maybe give DD a try. Set it to start at a level you think is a good starting point, then see where it takes you.

The great thing is that you can set how quickly it progresses you (and even turn the slider to 0 so you lock in), and if you ever need to recalibrate, it takes 10 minutes max to do so in an exhibition game.

To the larger point of the thread, I was normally striking out 13-15x a game on regular difficulty levels, but that came down to 6-7 or so for average games on DD at AS+, just FWIW.

Actually playing SD at Petco was when I started noticing something was off. I had a 3 game series there and they couldnt do anything against me. Machado and Tatis just looked at strikes and then swung at strike out of the zone for 3 straight games. I mean I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the idea.

[moemoe24]

Re: Too many strikeouts

There are several things that I personally do that MAY be outside the norm of what others do...

1. The ONLY sliders I adjust are the two injury sliders (and the dynamic difficulty sensitivity slider to 0 since I am on a locked AS+ difficulty). I don't touch a thing, including pitch speeds.

2. I play every game without Quick Counts.

3. I have ALL visual aids off, including controller vibration and use broadcast camera for pitching. Real life pitchers don't get a marker of where they are aiming; I feel like I shouldn't either...

4. I exclusively use SDS rosters (I am using the "opening day" which added guys like Senga for my franchise) without any global ratings edits.

5. I DO NOT follow catcher signs; I call my own pitches. I often dominate if I follow them exclusively (though a great strategy if you want to breeze through Moments in DD).

6. I use single-team control in my franchise. This shouldn't matter...but adding it for completeness.

Im beginning to think #4 is the biggest issue in seeing odd things. Saying i agree with you that your way may be the best way

[DarthRambo]

Re: Too many strikeouts

It's just the game itself, IMO. No setting, difficulty, etc. will cause huge amounts of strikeouts. I've played and pitched using classic the same way for over a decade now. Only this year, I have 12-15 strikeouts most games. Some games more than 15, and sometimes less than 12. That tells me the game itself changed this year cause my pitching style has not. Obviously I am better pitching than I was on MLB 10. However, I'm definitely not some pitching God either, where I am now expecting around 12-15 strikeouts every game.

Put it this way...if I struck out the side in MLB 22 I had to work hard for it. In MLB 23, I do that and I just shrug my shoulders like eh that's kind of normal.

I can live with it because regardless of that problem, it is by far the best MLBTS to date. I just pretend in my head that half my Ks are in play outs.

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[KnightTemplar]

Re: Too many strikeouts

My thoughts.

Game has always played great out of the box for me AS or HOF default sliders depending on my mood.

After two dozen games I could only think…..what the hell have they done to this game. Classic pitching, complete clean screen, no aids.

Throw the ball down the middle, strike, down the middle, strike, outside swinging strike. Foul balls galore an absolute impotent CPU. Way too many Ks. I set it aside it felt so predictable sent bug report to SDS.

New patch! Game was back!!!…..uh, no.

It almost felt to me like a switch came on and the CPU just shut down. This isn’t the old ebb and flow feeling either.

I don’t have a top pier team. I just have always enjoyed a good fought game, win, or lose. Don’t need to hit homer after homer, strikeout 20 batters, so this just took the fun factor completely out. So I tried to analyze.

I’m not sure how they went about implementing this new clutch thing. Don’t know how it is coded to properly so that even guys who don’t have a good clutch rating in whatever situations……but maybe that’s not the problem.

I had noticed that it was weird that so many strikes were being thrown and just looked at by the CPU. I actually had a hard time pitching the ball purposely off the plate. Strike, strike, strike….

So I thought, what if they changed the effectiveness of the CPU sliders and whatever they were last year they aren’t the same this year. I’m not a slider hunter, but it was either that or seriously put the game aside.

So….if the CPU wasn’t going to hit I was going to force it.

HOF
CPU contact/power/timing…..all to 8
CPU foul frequency……………….to 0

To offset my pitchers control
Control/consistency to 4

Picked up the game and it’s been great. I notice my pitchers control isn’t what it was, actually walked 6 batters. Not striking out a bunch of hitters, CPU hitting with some punch and I’ve one 1 lost 2…great games.

I DEFINITELY feel your pain here.

Of a side note I sent in several photos of the CPU swinging early on pitches to SDS. They were so bad….bats fully extended and the ball still 10 feet from the plate. Way too fooled. Don’t know if it means anything.

[bkrich83]

Re: Too many strikeouts

While my are slightly higher than I would expect, but I'm not seeing anything outside of what I would say is in the scope of realistic. I am playing on Legend with CPU Power and Contact at 6 and human control at 4. I do use QC's and I do alternate which pitch method I use (Classic, Pulse, Meter, Pinpoint) randomly user a picker wheel. Just some data points for you all. My Team ERA as the Padres is just under 4 I believe (I haven't looked recently and am not in front of my console).

[cubby blue]

Re: Too many strikeouts

@KnightTemplar

Does it get out of hand sometimes? As far as hits and runs from the cpu.

I have the cpu contact and timing at 6. I was thinking about foul frequency to 2 or 3 because my pitcher is running on fumes by the 5th inning.

I can say your right about the cpu because sometimes they're punchless.

I was worried about going to legend because I thought I would get crushed. But since I played about 8 games not so much.

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Too many strikeouts

@KnightTemplar

Does it get out of hand sometimes? As far as hits and runs from the cpu.

I have the cpu contact and timing at 6. I was thinking about foul frequency to 2 or 3 because my pitcher is running on fumes by the 5th inning.

I can say your right about the cpu because sometimes they're punchless.

I was worried about going to legend because I thought I would get crushed. But since I played about 8 games not so much.

Well, I’m testing it. Gonna drop those 3 CPU sliders from 8 each to 7.

Work in progress man.