Too many strikeouts

[TheBrew101]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Unfortunately this continues to be a problem for me and MLB23. The CPU offense is fine. I'm giving up runs at a normal rate. I'm losing games. The problem is almost every out I record is via strikeout. I hardly have to play defense. My starting rotation is now 1, 2, 3, 4 , and 5 amongst strikeout leaders in the league.

This is on Legend meter pitching with quick counts on.

It is hurting what otherwise seemed like a good version of the game for me.

It isn't like I'm an expert at the game (far from it and despite leading league in pitching strikeouts by wide margin I am under .500 currently). I also still play some MLB20 with historic rosters and don't have this issue. It is just something with MLB23 for me. Can't seem to dial it in. Just isn't as fun when almost all outs recorded are via strikeouts.

[countryboy]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Unfortunately this continues to be a problem for me and MLB23. The CPU offense is fine. I'm giving up runs at a normal rate. I'm losing games. The problem is almost every out I record is via strikeout. I hardly have to play defense. My starting rotation is now 1, 2, 3, 4 , and 5 amongst strikeout leaders in the league.

This is on Legend meter pitching with quick counts on.

It is hurting what otherwise seemed like a good version of the game for me.

It isn't like I'm an expert at the game (far from it and despite leading league in pitching strikeouts by wide margin I am under .500 currently). I also still play some MLB20 with historic rosters and don't have this issue. It is just something with MLB23 for me. Can't seem to dial it in. Just isn't as fun when almost all outs recorded are via strikeouts.

I know its not a preferred method of play, but have you tried playing a few games without quick counts to see if it helps the issue at all?

[bryanm1982]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Just an outside of box thought, but would switching to Competitive mode help with the people getting high strikeouts? I read in the guide that competitive mode makes it harder to increase the confidence in pitchers. It says something about it raises the threshold for pitchers to get high confidence. Especially meter when the accuracy bar gets thicker. I didn't know if that would help with the K's or not.

[dowie]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I posted this in another thread, but it seems appropriate to place it here too.
I have seen my strikeout rates fall dramatically with this set up.
People may not like it, because you are giving up alot of control, but the randomness of games has shined like i have never experienced before (with 23).

Try default AS or default HOF.
Classic pitching
Directional hitting
Clean screen - no ballmarker

This got me close to where i wanted to be, but then I tried something I thought either I would hate or wouldn't work, and I was wrong on both counts.

Auto field, auto throw AND let the AI call your pitches...That 3rd piece was the key for me.

If you are a Show "expert", it becomes rather easy to "out think" the AI batters and rack up K's and low run totals.

Letting the AI call your pitches adds an incredible layer of sim, and the AI has become much more deadly on offense.

I know it feels like you have less input into the game, but you are still batting, and you are still choosing how much effort to put into a pitch.

I much prefer 20 (by a ton), but this set up right here at least made 23 playable to me....I desperately want to play with those 1984 rosters.

Dowie

[tfp1977]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I posted this in another thread, but it seems appropriate to place it here too.
I have seen my strikeout rates fall dramatically with this set up.
People may not like it, because you are giving up alot of control, but the randomness of games has shined like i have never experienced before (with 23).

Try default AS or default HOF.
Classic pitching
Directional hitting
Clean screen - no ballmarker

This got me close to where i wanted to be, but then I tried something I thought either I would hate or wouldn't work, and I was wrong on both counts.

Auto field, auto throw AND let the AI call your pitches...That 3rd piece was the key for me.

If you are a Show "expert", it becomes rather easy to "out think" the AI batters and rack up K's and low run totals.

Letting the AI call your pitches adds an incredible layer of sim, and the AI has become much more deadly on offense.

I know it feels like you have less input into the game, but you are still batting, and you are still choosing how much effort to put into a pitch.

I much prefer 20 (by a ton), but this set up right here at least made 23 playable to me....I desperately want to play with those 1984 rosters.

Dowie

I pretty much do this exact same thing, but I player lock the pitcher while in the field so I have to play as the pitcher and back up bases or cover first base at times. Gives you something to do when balls are in play.

[Christian9]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Have you tried Pinpoint pitching? I switched to it last year, and it’s been great. Definitely a challenge on Legend with Pitch Control at 3 and Consistency at 4. Hard to consistently dominate. I also have CPU Contact at 7, Power at 6, and Timing at 6.

It’s taken me a while to start to lower strikeouts, but it’s getting closer. May need to move Contact to 6 and Timing to 7…it’s my next thought, but haven’t tested yet.

Also, I turned off ball marker and vibration. Vibration is a must IMO…otherwise you can feel the strike zone edges.

As a side note - they really need to separate vibration when pitching from otherwise, I miss having it on.


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[baseballguy99]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Have you tried Pinpoint pitching? I switched to it last year, and it’s been great. Definitely a challenge on Legend with Pitch Control at 3 and Consistency at 4. Hard to consistently dominate. I also have CPU Contact at 7, Power at 6, and Timing at 6.

It’s taken me a while to start to lower strikeouts, but it’s getting closer. May need to move Contact to 6 and Timing to 7…it’s my next thought, but haven’t tested yet.

Also, I turned off ball marker and vibration. Vibration is a must IMO…otherwise you can feel the strike zone edges.

As a side note - they really need to separate vibration when pitching from otherwise, I miss having it on.


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I’ve done exactly this actually, but have contact at 7, timing at 7, and foul frequency at 10. I also have control and consistency at 0 and I’m still seeing too many strikeouts.

How many are you getting per game?


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[DarthRambo]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Gonna make another one of these quasi-rants if yall don’t mind ..

I’m 18-17.
MIN in is town, they’re 22-13.
It’s Clayton Kershaw vs. Tarik Skubal.
Biggest game of the season so far.

If you think ima apologize if I get 14 Ks in this game you’re out of your damn mind.

Sorry if I’m a bit punchy on this, but I’ve allowed 18 runs my last 18 innings. Oh boo-fk’n-hoo “I’m striking out too many batters mom.” Gimme a break.

You just proved the point I have made though. Raising contact high enough needed to lower Ks creates a game where it is hit or strikeouts only. 18 runs in 18 innings, but you get 14Ks. Incredibly boring and no fun to have so many games like that.



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[KnightTemplar]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Unfortunately this continues to be a problem for me and MLB23. The CPU offense is fine. I'm giving up runs at a normal rate. I'm losing games. The problem is almost every out I record is via strikeout.

This is on Legend meter pitching with quick counts on.

It is hurting what otherwise seemed like a good version of the game for me.

It isn't like I'm an expert at the game (far from it and despite leading league in pitching strikeouts by wide margin I am under .500 currently). I also still play some MLB20 with historic rosters and don't have this issue. It is just something with MLB23 for me. Can't seem to dial it in. Just isn't as fun when almost all outs recorded are via strikeouts.

This is about as well said about this problem that has been said. I struggled right out of the box for a couple weeks. I’ve played the game forever. IMO gamers who post it’s just ebbs and flows….just stick with it……not the answer.

I noticed something very obvious with the CPU batting/timing, took several photos and sent them in. The CPU was so far out in front of change ups it was laughable. I was surprised no one else noticed it. But, it got attention, nothing in the patch notes. I’m not sure every little adjustment to the game is doing to make the patch notes. I have no problem with that, just my guess….and that’s OK. It’s great that SDS even gives us patches.

I hate slider hunting (although they are there for a very valid reason). I’ve always played default.

Can I suggest a couple things to you. I don’t know if QC causes an unintended consequence. I used it exclusively, but with the exaggerated pitch counts I turned QC off. Surprisingly enough it really didn’t add that much time to play a game, plus there’s so much more presentation, stadium sounds. Again don’t know if this effects K totals.

The second thing I did (don’t laugh at me bro). I only play one season.

I reduced every pitchers K attributes by 5 to 10. I figured if these attributes actually mean something….why not.

I’m at HOF v. HOF (always played on AS previously). Sliders at default. The CPU K totals are now from 6-11, usually in the 7/8 range.

Clean screen/no hot/cold zones/ strike zone.

Just a thought. Peace.

[TheBrew101]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Thanks to those that have offered suggestions. For me though, turning quick counts off isn't an option as I want the games to go as quickly as possible (I set it to walk ups off, turn off all presentation stuff, put it on fast play and still wish it went faster as I just want to play and not watch). Im also not interested in trying another pitching control method (I've been doing meter since the start and it is what I prefer).

I'm now trying something I've never done with The Show as I always wanted the stats to be my own but I'm pitching only the 1st, 8th and 9th innings and just simming pitching/fielding for the other innings. Im still hitting every inning. It is a shock to my system as I've always been a play every game and every inning guy. I'm finding I don't really miss pitching (especially since 60% of my out outcomes are Ks). I will miss fielding but hoping doing the 3 innings is enough for me.

Was kind of fun doing this method last night and games went quick. Will have to see if this works for me long term or not.

The biggest negative is I'm guessing the sim engine doesn't factor in defense ratings whereas when play, fielding can make big difference (especially in outfield). Also not sure I will enjoy giving up this much control over outcomes long term.

[baseballguy99]

Re: Too many strikeouts

yuck.. another 16k game... really getting frustrating as its ruining what is really IMO one of the best offerings of the show in recent memory. They need tone back the Ks

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Too many strikeouts

yuck.. another 16k game... really getting frustrating as its ruining what is really IMO one of the best offerings of the show in recent memory. They need tone back the Ks

Are you playing with Quick Counts? I've found that to be the biggest culprit. In my testing, it raised strikeouts by around 30%. Which makes sense given that, irl, you're much more likely to strike out on a 1-1, 1-2, 2-2, or 3-2 count, and very slightly more likely to strike out on a 2-1 count. The only count you get in Quick Counts that's less likely to result in a K than 0-0 is 3-1, and that's a relatively rare count to get.

I don't play without Quick Counts, and K's are in a great place for me, maybe even a little low. I'm getting 7.6 per game. Right now I'm at default legend except CPU Power is at 7, and human control is at 2 (classic pitching).

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[jcar0725]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Are you playing with Quick Counts? I've found that to be the biggest culprit. In my testing, it raised strikeouts by around 30%. Which makes sense given that, irl, you're much more likely to strike out on a 1-1, 1-2, 2-2, or 3-2 count, and very slightly more likely to strike out on a 2-1 count. The only count you get in Quick Counts that's less likely to result in a K than 0-0 is 3-1, and that's a relatively rare count to get.

I don't play without Quick Counts, and K's are in a great place for me, maybe even a little low. I'm getting 7.6 per game. Right now I'm at default legend except CPU Power is at 7, and human control is at 2 (classic pitching).

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Same, classic pitching, legend, but I'm at default human pitching sliders. CPU contact and power up 1 notch. It's been great.

[baseballguy99]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Are you playing with Quick Counts? I've found that to be the biggest culprit. In my testing, it raised strikeouts by around 30%. Which makes sense given that, irl, you're much more likely to strike out on a 1-1, 1-2, 2-2, or 3-2 count, and very slightly more likely to strike out on a 2-1 count. The only count you get in Quick Counts that's less likely to result in a K than 0-0 is 3-1, and that's a relatively rare count to get.

I don't play without Quick Counts, and K's are in a great place for me, maybe even a little low. I'm getting 7.6 per game. Right now I'm at default legend except CPU Power is at 7, and human control is at 2 (classic pitching).

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Unfortunately no quick counts I’m using pinpoint with control and consistency at 0. U recommend classic with control at 2 and consistency at default?


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[baseballguy99]

Re: Too many strikeouts

do you guys know if there is a way to reset the dynamic difficulty setting so I can start with Legend? sucks cause its all the way back to beginner and I want to see if Legend + helps the strikeouts for me