Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the Show

[kehlis]

Re: MLB THE SHOW 24 - RTTS BLOG AND TRAILER - WOMEN PAVE THEIR WAY

Worth noting but I don’t see it as the same. If that game were branded “PGA Golf” and had co-ed PGA competitions, that would be unrealistic, yes. That game exists in a semi-fictional golf universe.

The team sports games have already set the standard for this. You can create anyone you want (hilariously, some EA games avoid saying “male” or “female” by letting you choose between two obvious silhouettes.) Fictional characters in these games are often women, like staff, broadcasters, and officials. Even online “fantasy team” modes sometimes allow you to create a co-ed team.

However, there is not a single precedent for depicting women playing on licensed men’s sports teams without direct user intervention of creating those players.


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I brought it up just to bring up an example as to why it may not be safe to assume it couldn't happen with franchise. DIdn't bring it up to draw a comparison between the two games because I agree 100% they aren't the same.

That game IS branded as a PGA Tour game. Yes, females have played in some PGA events but they would never have enough points to show up in every tournament the way they do in the game.

NO - I do not anticipate that happening in this game but wanted to share the precedent since that is the main concern from most.

Also, women have competed at PGA Tour events (7 women across 20 events) Including one just last year. Even if it's not semi-fictional, a woman playing tour events isn't far fetched.

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In golf - yes, it's happened. Very rarely. In those games, it's every tournament, including majors which they would never get enough points to qualify for. The tournaments they've played in have been sponsor exemptions.


THe feature is fine, doesn't impact me or anyone else in the least. I just know that if were to somehow infiltrate franchise this forum would go insane.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: MLB THE SHOW 24 - RTTS BLOG AND TRAILER - WOMEN PAVE THEIR WAY

How do you figure? Too date, there have not been any women that have been competitive with men in upper level college or professional basketball or football (or baseball), and given that women are significantly smaller, slower, and weaker than men across the curve, that seems unlikely to change, barring significant rule changes to attempt to minimize the impact of physical size and ability.

Never underestimate the human heart. When the right woman comes along, and ''wants it'' more than her competition, she will have a place on the field. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. But again, I don't see it happening in my lifetime. Unless I live to a hundred and twenty.

[gsize19]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

I am all for adding women into the game, give them a chance to play in a women league, but c'mon, don't screw this up... I don't want to see a female umpire every game like I see in EA's NHL series... You want to make the game realistic, then give us that. Women aren't officiating men's sports. In other modes, have the women in. Allow them to create a team for Diamond Dynasty, but I don't want to see them in Franchise mode. It is not a game killer, but every time I see a woman officiating an EA NHL game, I cringe, because, it's not like that as of now in the real world of sports. Let them officiate the entire Women's Worlds... Keep the Franchise how it would look in professional sports. Now granted there are a couple of woman NFL officials, so in Madden, I would be fine with it, but until it happens in the sport game being sold, keep them in certain modes only. I am not anti-woman, but I am pro-realism.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: MLB THE SHOW 24 - RTTS BLOG AND TRAILER - WOMEN PAVE THEIR WAY

The word “female” is considered derogatory these days. “They are women, not animals.” Keep up.

These days, everything is derogatory. Nothing is above the fray. Nothing. You're for A,B,C? You idiot, X,Y,Z is way better. Ten minutes later, you are enlightened and now for X,Y,Z?
X,Y,Z is so yesterday, A,B,C is where it's at moron.

[LoadStar81]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

I think the most succinct way of explaining the discontent, is that this is adding a shiny new luxury feature, at a time when long-standing concerns of a long-time fan base over core functions and modes, are being left largely unaddressed.

Expanding the fanbase isn't a bad idea on its own; but if every curious fan of the new content, costs them the loyalty of some larger number of established fans, who may well go back decades, is that really expanding the fanbase? Further, will the hypothetical new fans stick around, absent new shiny objects every year? And will THOSE cost more fans than they bring in?

I think any studio that wants to bet on the "modern audience," after the 2022 Saint's Row debacle, and Suicide Squad: KTJL, and the kerfuffle that broke out this past weekend, is making a mistake. This is the wrong time to be rocking boats, for boat rocking's sake.

[Dolenz]

Re: MLB THE SHOW 24 - RTTS BLOG AND TRAILER - WOMEN PAVE THEIR WAY

In some ways it feels like they turning this game into fantasy though, I mean does anyone ever believe the day would come that a female will be playing in thr majors

But isn't that what RTTS is and has been all along? A mode where you can live out the fantasy of creating yourself or anyone you choose and working your way up to the MLB. Something that none of us will ever actually do?

Isn't Diamond Dynasty essentially a fantasy baseball mode where you can have Shohei Othani pitching to Babe Ruth with Johnny Bench catching?

I'd even argue that Franchise mode is simply a fantasy mode depending on how each person chooses to play it. If you play out games in franchise and are good enough to turn Kyle Schwarber into a .300 hitter then isn't that unrealistic also?

In the end, it is a video game. I won't be creating a female player but I don't begrudge anyone who chooses to do so. It won't affect my RTTS (if I choose to play it) at all.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

I think the most succinct way of explaining the discontent, is that this is adding a shiny new luxury feature, at a time when long-standing concerns of a long-time fan base over core functions and modes, are being left largely unaddressed.

Expanding the fanbase isn't a bad idea on its own; but if every curious fan of the new content, costs them the loyalty of some larger number of established fans, who may well go back decades, is that really expanding the fanbase? Further, will the hypothetical new fans stick around, absent new shiny objects every year? And will THOSE cost more fans than they bring in?

Well, they won't know until they try. They could also view it the old fan base is tapped out. So they've been moving in this new direction for years now. The old fan base that wants to come along for the ride will. The ones that don't, won't. Sony is moving on. We don't have to like it and we certainly don't have to take it. But we are delusional if we think Sony's philosophy of perceived progression is going to revert back to the been-there-done-that mindset any time soon, if ever. They're on their Bold New Adventure, and the 20th century is officially over.

[bh446066]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

Doesn't bother me at all. In fact, now when I put my wife and daughter on my created team, it'll actually look like them.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

I guess Tom Hanks was wrong and one way or the other, there is crying in baseball. One side tears of joy from being included, the other side crying it's the end of the world as we know it.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

I'm all for the addition. Few years late to get my daughters involved.
but I have a niece I'd love to sit down with and get her into the sport, made easier by this addition.

[jada855]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

Wait a minute hold the ham & cheese. No one is going to mention the female player models look the same as the male slim player models lol! What’s really going on here.

[LoadStar81]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

Well, they won't know until they try. They could also view it the old fan base is tapped out. So they've been moving in this new direction for years now. The old fan base that wants to come along for the ride will. The ones that don't, won't. Sony is moving on. We don't have to like it and we certainly don't have to take it. But we are delusional if we think Sony's philosophy of perceived progression is going to revert back to the been-there-done-that mindset any time soon, if ever. They're on their Bold New Adventure, and the 20th century is officially over.

Let me give you an actual number to chew on.

Women's international soccer is so well established, that Team USA was complaining about a pay gap. I won't get into the merits of that: I'm just pointing it out for reference.

FC 24 has a PSN trophy that is awarded for, "Play a Women's International football match." That's it. Just play one game. It's quite literally a participation trophy. And as I type this, ONLY 1.6% OF PSN PLAYERS HAVE EARNED IT. It's considered an Ultra rare.

Meaning, over NINETY-EIGHT PERCENT of FC 24 players on PSN, have yet to play so much as a single Women's International match.

And that is for a well-established version of the sport. What percentage of players are going to show up for virtual baseball's version of a Mary Sue? The lookie-loo numbers might be higher, I'll guess, and might even approach a plurality. But if they do a PSN trophy for "Complete a full season with a female RTTS player," and it gets more than a 5% earn, I'll be shocked.

And if you insist on an apples to apples comparison, I'm good for that, too. The Show 19 had a Bronze trophy for, "In Road to the Show, create a player who was born At Sea." 1.9% of players have earned that. Again, another participation trophy, and 98% of players ignored it.

Given everything else that has been going on in this industry, and in pop culture at large, trying to entice the "modern" (is that the go-to industry euphemism for "woke"?) audience, while leaving the established fanbase out in the cold, isn't just rolling the dice: it's betting the rent, on a hopping hard eight.

The industry is in stormy waters right now, and studios ought to be battening down the hatches, not setting full sails.

[SmashMan]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

I think the most succinct way of explaining the discontent, is that this is adding a shiny new luxury feature, at a time when long-standing concerns of a long-time fan base over core functions and modes, are being left largely unaddressed.

When this long-time fan base has shown no signs of stepping away from the game over these long-standing concerns, what leverage do they really have?

Expanding the fanbase isn't a bad idea on its own; but if every curious fan of the new content, costs them the loyalty of some larger number of established fans, who may well go back decades, is that really expanding the fanbase?

Here's that "I've been around longer, they should listen to ME!" sentiment popping up again.

[dubcity]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

This one does feel a bit bizarre to me. Granted, it's an easy PR win because only those who are deemed the wrong kind of people will criticize this publicly on social media, but this seems so damn random lol. It's always that unwinnable argument of criticizing a video game for being unrealistic, even when it presents itself as a simulation of a sport.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Players Can Create and Play as a Female Ballplayer in MLB The Show 24 Road to the

Let me give you an actual number to chew on.

Women's international soccer is so well established, that Team USA was complaining about a pay gap. I won't get into the merits of that: I'm just pointing it out for reference.

FC 24 has a PSN trophy that is awarded for, "Play a Women's International football match." That's it. Just play one game. It's quite literally a participation trophy. And as I type this, ONLY 1.6% OF PSN PLAYERS HAVE EARNED IT. It's considered an Ultra rare.

Meaning, over NINETY-EIGHT PERCENT of FC 24 players on PSN, have yet to play so much as a single Women's International match.

And that is for a well-established version of the sport. What percentage of players are going to show up for virtual baseball's version of a Mary Sue? The lookie-loo numbers might be higher, I'll guess, and might even approach a plurality. But if they do a PSN trophy for "Complete a full season with a female RTTS player," and it gets more than a 5% earn, I'll be shocked.

And if you insist on an apples to apples comparison, I'm good for that, too. The Show 19 had a Bronze trophy for, "In Road to the Show, create a player who was born At Sea." 1.9% of players have earned that. Again, another participation trophy, and 98% of players ignored it.

Given everything else that has been going on in this industry, and in pop culture at large, trying to entice the "modern" (is that the go-to industry euphemism for "woke"?) audience, while leaving the established fanbase out in the cold, isn't just rolling the dice: it's betting the rent, on a hopping hard eight.

The industry is in stormy waters right now, and studios ought to be battening down the hatches, not setting full sails.

Yep, all of that is all well and good. Nothing new there, already aware. I'd be stunned as could be if Sony didn't already know it too. I guess Sony doesn't believe the storm is strong enough to hurt it and are going the nothing ventured nothing gained route.