MLB The Show Survey....Serious Things Being Discussed

[Funkycorm]

Re: MLB The Show Survey....Serious Things Being Discussed

I think the first thing they need to add is 120 man rosters. That is the foundation for many more of these ideas.

Start with 120 man rosters and simply increase the draft rounds and prospects generated. I mean A and rookie ball doesn't even have to be playable to be a game changer.

From there, you can add international free agency, more trade slots, more injuries, better progression/regression, and even expansion. It all starts with increasing the roster size.

I do think a trade deadline like NHL would be nice. Give me a reason to worry about the deadline. If I want a player, I can spend an hour in real time trying everything I can to get a player and it is completely risk free as long as I don't advance the day. Make it so I have competition for that player, maybe have to give up more than I normally would, and still potentially miss out.

[tessl]

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The intent behind this is to force you to use scouts in a smarter way. The knowledge of your ML club will be pretty high from the start and the "fog" would come into play when scouting other clubs, your minor league system, upcoming draft prospects, etc. At least that is how sports management sims (FM, OOTP, etc.) implement the "fog of war" system. I like the idea if implemented in a similar manner.

Completely unrealistic. IRL you have professional baseball people at all levels of the organization not just scouts.

This assumes MLB baseball organizations are full of idiots. Why would you want to do this to the game?

[tessl]

Re: MLB The Show Survey....Serious Things Being Discussed

I think the first thing they need to add is 120 man rosters. That is the foundation for many more of these ideas.

Start with 120 man rosters and simply increase the draft rounds and prospects generated. I mean A and rookie ball doesn't even have to be playable to be a game changer.

From there, you can add international free agency, more trade slots, more injuries, better progression/regression, and even expansion. It all starts with increasing the roster size.

I do think a trade deadline like NHL would be nice. Give me a reason to worry about the deadline. If I want a player, I can spend an hour in real time trying everything I can to get a player and it is completely risk free as long as I don't advance the day. Make it so I have competition for that player, maybe have to give up more than I normally would, and still potentially miss out.

I disagree with the trade deadline - sounds more like a gimmick but I agree with expanded rosters and making the draft/international signings realistic. The only problem with that is it would likely take so much developer time that it's the only new thing we would get. Also need more legit players entering the game every year.

[MiracleMet718]

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Completely unrealistic. IRL you have professional baseball people at all levels of the organization not just scouts.

This assumes MLB baseball organizations are full of idiots. Why would you want to do this to the game?

Your baseball scouting department doesn’t scout every player in the world though. The point of fog of war is you get to send your scouts out to the players are you interested in and while you might have an overall picture of almost every player, you get detailed information on the players you focus on scouting.

I used to think I’d hate it as an addition to the franchise mode, but I really enjoy it in NHL because it makes scouting actually mean something.

[nflman2033]

Re: MLB The SHOW Survey....Hush Child, Grown Folks Be Talking.

Wow, I've never been so hopeful for them in the last decade+ to actually do something about Franchise as I am right now. I wish I had gotten the email

[LowerWolf]

Re: MLB The Show Survey....Serious Things Being Discussed

They definitely need to do something with the trade deadline. It's one of the biggest events during the season IRL and right now it's basically just another day in the game.

[Therebelyell626]

Re: MLB The Show Survey....Serious Things Being Discussed

The intent behind this is to force you to use scouts in a smarter way. The knowledge of your ML club will be pretty high from the start and the "fog" would come into play when scouting other clubs, your minor league system, upcoming draft prospects, etc. At least that is how sports management sims (FM, OOTP, etc.) implement the "fog of war" system. I like the idea if implemented in a similar manner.

I get what you are saying, but this is simply not realistic in modern sports. By the time a guy reaches AA teams already have a stack of data and analytics on them. “Fog of war” just doesn’t apply to modern sports outside of draft prospects

[Therebelyell626]

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Your baseball scouting department doesn’t scout every player in the world though. The point of fog of war is you get to send your scouts out to the players are you interested in and while you might have an overall picture of almost every player, you get detailed information on the players you focus on scouting.

I used to think I’d hate it as an addition to the franchise mode, but I really enjoy it in NHL because it makes scouting actually mean something.

I get what you are saying, but I feel this would only be realistic with “potential” rating or players in rookie/low A ball. Baseball is unique in the fact that by AA/AAA most players have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400-1,000 at bats (depending on how fast they advance of course). With the introduction of analytics teams pretty much do have information on every player at every level of the minor leagues. Some teams pay millions of dollars to outside analytics firms for this very information. There really isn’t a lot of mystery outside of ultimately how good a players final product will be.

What I would be more of a fan of is a re-vamped player training. Something like your scout comes back with “player A has underrated bat speed that could lead to more power than originally scouted. A few tweaks to his swing and you could really open this up”. Their power potential is then determined by a RNG rating that is based off an attribute you cannot see and your hitting coach ratings. Let’s just say this number is anywhere from 2-10 points in left or right handed power per year if trained properly. To find this rating you have to assign your scouts to scout this player on your team, or a player on another team to find out what this potential per year could be. Not only would this add a level uncertainty when scouting players, but it would also give you agency on how players develop outside of in game production to shape your franchise. So this combined with production based progression would lead to a lot of different outcomes for players across franchise. For instance let’s say your player gains +7 in left handed power from training power, but they don’t hit many home runs throughout the year against lefties so they get a production regression of -4. You would still get a net +3 in left handed power because you are training it to their power potential. I think this would really be cool and give each franchise a unique feel

[Funkycorm]

Re: MLB The Show Survey....Serious Things Being Discussed

I disagree with the trade deadline - sounds more like a gimmick but I agree with expanded rosters and making the draft/international signings realistic. The only problem with that is it would likely take so much developer time that it's the only new thing we would get. Also need more legit players entering the game every year.

I would personally be okay if the only change we got for 26 was a 120 man roster and more rounds in the draft (and more prospect generation by extension) because it would point that they mean business about other things like international free agency.

It is baby steps. Rome wasn't built in a day.

So in the NHL, you can trade normally until the trade deadline day. The event is meant to mimic only the trade deadline and the last minute decisions you have to make with a timer attached. And you can quick sim to the end of it so it can easily be skipped.

What franchise mode needs amongst other things like roster increase and better progression/regression is immersion. Updating the scouting previously as well as the post season free agency does this. Adding this to one of the biggest times of the year in franchise mode can liven it up. Which many want.

[tessl]

Re: MLB The Show Survey....Serious Things Being Discussed

I would personally be okay if the only change we got for 26 was a 120 man roster and more rounds in the draft (and more prospect generation by extension) because it would point that they mean business about other things like international free agency.

It is baby steps. Rome wasn't built in a day.

So in the NHL, you can trade normally until the trade deadline day. The event is meant to mimic only the trade deadline and the last minute decisions you have to make with a timer attached. And you can quick sim to the end of it so it can easily be skipped.

What franchise mode needs amongst other things like roster increase and better progression/regression is immersion. Updating the scouting previously as well as the post season free agency does this. Adding this to one of the biggest times of the year in franchise mode can liven it up. Which many want.

I'm 100% with you on core elements like roster expansion and generating better players.

Replicating the NHL trade sounds like exactly what they will do. The changes to the draft - big feature a couple years ago. What did it do other than change the visuals? Player models were the same. Developer time would have been better spent expanding rosters and improving player models. Instead we got the same 6 - 7 rounds in the draft and not enough time to scout many players. In mlbts 23 I used a scout to "discover" and it was a waste of time because in a week of discovering he would find 1 or 2 low quality players. A scout can only scout one position at a time? That's not realistic.

The trade deadline will be there as it is now. Same opportunity to trade. The kids are playing diamond dynasty and rtts. Spending precious developer time in franchise to made the trade deadline more "exciting" is a gimmick and there are other issues with franchise that need to be addressed. Keep that stuff out of franchise.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get the trade deadline stuff and not other needed elements.

[Cod]

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I get what you are saying, but this is simply not realistic in modern sports. By the time a guy reaches AA teams already have a stack of data and analytics on them. “Fog of war” just doesn’t apply to modern sports outside of draft prospects

"Fog of war" is not meant to obtain data and understand your own players as much as it is trying to find a diamond in the rough. In baseball terms, think international players, amateurs (HS/college), and Indy league players. Teams do not have data on all the players at those levels that could impact their clubs. "Fog of war" would be great for MLBTS, but it has to come with a revamp of international signings, how the minor leagues are setup (A ball, international complex, etc.), and more.

And I would challenge the notion that "fog of war" doesn't apply to modern sports. American leagues, maybe, but certainly not international football (soccer) and basketball leagues.

[CBoller1331]

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I'm 100% with you on core elements like roster expansion and generating better players.

Replicating the NHL trade sounds like exactly what they will do. The changes to the draft - big feature a couple years ago. What did it do other than change the visuals? Player models were the same. Developer time would have been better spent expanding rosters and improving player models. Instead we got the same 6 - 7 rounds in the draft and not enough time to scout many players. In mlbts 23 I used a scout to "discover" and it was a waste of time because in a week of discovering he would find 1 or 2 low quality players. A scout can only scout one position at a time? That's not realistic.

The trade deadline will be there as it is now. Same opportunity to trade. The kids are playing diamond dynasty and rtts. Spending precious developer time in franchise to made the trade deadline more "exciting" is a gimmick and there are other issues with franchise that need to be addressed. Keep that stuff out of franchise.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get the trade deadline stuff and not other needed elements.

I know you use "gimmick" as your catch all term for any feature you don't like, but the NHL trade deadline feature is a much, much better recreation of the activity that goes on during the trade deadline than MLBTS has. There's an actual back and forth in the negotiations and you are up against a clock which adds more pressure to get a deal done, much like IRL. In the show I can stay on the trade deadline day for multiple days to make sure i get every deal i want to before advancing. I agree there are other big fish to fry in franchise mode, but a more engaging trade deadline would be a welcome addition IMO.

[tessl]

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Your baseball scouting department doesn’t scout every player in the world though. The point of fog of war is you get to send your scouts out to the players are you interested in and while you might have an overall picture of almost every player, you get detailed information on the players you focus on scouting.

I used to think I’d hate it as an addition to the franchise mode, but I really enjoy it in NHL because it makes scouting actually mean something.

That's already in the game. You get only 3 scouts and it takes them weeks to scout only one player. If you scout a position you are limited to only that one position as if a scouts sits in a ballpark only looking at third base. Fails to see Dansby Swanson at shortstop because his orders are to only scout third base. Vast majority of players in the draft you have a wide range "fog" as to what they will do because you had no time to scout them.

If you are lucky you draft 3 or 4 players you scouted and want and the rest are a complete guess because you didn't have time to scout. People want to add things to the game that take it away from realism. Do you think MLB teams only bring in 3 or 4 players they have scouted out of the 60 new players from the draft and international signings? The draft needs to be improved not made worse.

[CBoller1331]

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"Fog of war" is not meant to obtain data and understand your own players as much as it is trying to find a diamond in the rough. In baseball terms, think international players, amateurs (HS/college), and Indy league players. Teams do not have data on all the players at those levels that could impact their clubs. "Fog of war" would be great for MLBTS, but it has to come with a revamp of international signings, how the minor leagues are setup (A ball, international complex, etc.), and more.

And I would challenge the notion that "fog of war" doesn't apply to modern sports. American leagues, maybe, but certainly not international football (soccer) and basketball leagues.

Another thing fog of war opens up is that some organizations use/value different metrics/data when evaluating players than and end up valuing players much differently than others. While analytics is becoming/already popular league wide, there are some orgs that always seem to find a new edge - a new under the hood metric to seek out guys who are under valued

[PhlliesPhan6]

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I would personally be okay if the only change we got for 26 was a 120 man roster and more rounds in the draft (and more prospect generation by extension) because it would point that they mean business about other things like international free agency.

It is baby steps. Rome wasn't built in a day.

I'm sure everyone will handle it very well next year when not all of these changes are implemented in 26.