Someone Please Save This Game For Me

[bfindeisen]

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you want some cheese with that "whine"??

you don't like it, don't read it...SIMPLE....

why does it bother you so much ? I remember sports games where I thoroughly enjoyed but I was in the minority. When I saw people complaining, I felt grateful that I didn't feel the same way and I felt sorry for them that they couldn't enjoy the game like I did.

Why do YOU feel annoyed ? and there is no thread hijacking at all, since both the big comeback threads were started by people who had issues. Why do you choose to come in this thread and read 'about comeback code/unrealistic comeback bull****'??

Stay out of the comeback threads, and you won't be aggravated.

Valid points I guess, although I don't totally agree with you...but I try to go into a thread to see why a person is struggling with a game, then I just see response after response of the same people doing exactly what you said isn't happening, hijacking the thread to say something is off in the programming, that no matter how the person tweaks options/sliders/playing style , the game just won't play right...its not about choosing not to read them, because I'm following a normal thread about a person struggling with the game, then BAM!, you get a like 2 or 3 straight pages of the comeback theory garbage.

Anyways, don't want to continue to dwell, I know I was prob a lil over the tip with my last post, but like I said, I really needed to vent...I appreciate you being calm and rational in your response tho...happy playing!

[Marino]

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Don't know what to say about your avator though CB

[JeterFan02]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

That's priceless LOL!!!!

[phillyfan23]

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Valid points I guess, although I don't totally agree with you...but I try to go into a thread to see why a person is struggling with a game, then I just see response after response of the same people doing exactly what you said isn't happening, hijacking the thread to say something is off in the programming, that no matter how the person tweaks options/sliders/playing style , the game just won't play right...its not about choosing not to read them, because I'm following a normal thread about a person struggling with the game, then BAM!, you get a like 2 or 3 straight pages of the comeback theory garbage.

Anyways, don't want to continue to dwell, I know I was prob a lil over the tip with my last post, but like I said, I really needed to vent...I appreciate you being calm and rational in your response tho...happy playing!

if that is happening in a lot of threads I can see where you're coming from. But I think those are just rare....most of the comeback complaints are in these 2 big threads.

Seriously....no need to get frustrated over this. Now, I am happy with my game ( turned comeback ON) and it seems like that you're also happy with the game. So we both win eventhough we disagree on this hot topic.

[bfindeisen]

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if that is happening in a lot of threads I can see where you're coming from. But I think those are just rare....most of the comeback complaints are in these 2 big threads.

Seriously....no need to get frustrated over this. Now, I am happy with my game ( turned comeback ON) and it seems like that you're also happy with the game. So we both win eventhough we disagree on this hot topic.

For sure man...like I said, just needed to get it out of my system...anyways, hope u continue to enjoy the game!

[brunnoce]

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Wow, am I getting just so freaking sick of this whining and complaining about comeback code/unrealistic comeback bull****...I have been trying to not lower myself to this level, but I am just completely fed up with it...the same handful of people (sorry to call you out but enough is enough: dorismary, jcern, magoo, art1bk, Vanilla Gorilla, brunnoce, and sporadically a few others...). They keep polluting threads or starting new ones with their completely subjective feelings, saying "it just doesn't feel right..." or "one i know is realism, and this just isn't realistic" or listing the amount of games they play like it really matters when clearly there is some agenda they have, completely dismissing what developers are telling them by continuing to hold fast to their theory that there is "just something not right"...

some will mask their agenda by saying they just want help to "save the game for them"...well I think it is becoming borderline trolling...keep it to one thread, preferably the one regarding comeback code...I realize I don't speak for everyone, but I feel the other 98% of people who don't have to the audacity to think they can technically analyze a game purely through "feel" and stats based on their input, are sick of reading about the same few people trying to convince everyone the game is "too realistic" or whatever nonsense they come up with next.

Sorry if this post is out of line, I am at the point where I just can't take it anymore...it's not harmless constructive criticism when they pollute every thread with these arguments....ahhhh venting makes things feel so much better....

for the record i didnt polute threads over and over..i just expressed my feelings in 2 threads so what?
if u have a problem with that just ignore me...simple as that...
jesus!

[davewins]

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Gotta love politics

[Brian SCEA]

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I am convinced that many of you that experience this comeback phenomenon are playing on LEGEND.

This is actually another statistical principle in all sports. If a weaker team plays against a stronger team 100 times, the weak team will lose to comebacks a lot more than they will win by blowout. Think about why. If a weaker team takes the lead, it's often simply because they scored first. The weaker team isn't suddenly fundamentally stronger, so in fact the chance that the stronger team will score still exceeds the chance of the weaker team. Gravity is favoring the stronger team as it always has. This is simply not comeback code, because the score of the game has nothing to do with the advantage of the stronger team.

This is just some info for people interested baseball stats.

[ricowiz]

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I dont know if there is comeback code or not...but all I know is that something doesnt feel the same as previous years games. Cant put my finger on it, but sometimes my losses feel really cheap, like with hilarious errors, or guys hitting dingers off pitches that are way out of the strike zone.

I dont mind losing at all, I mean I play with the Nats so I expect a ton of losses, but I dont like losing cheaply.

And its funny others mentioned the blowouts. I have yet to have a blow out final score, after 62 games played. I have had about 10-15 games where I have had a 6+ run lead and then given up runs a few innings later (cheaply) only to have the final score within 3 runs or less between my team and the cpu's. Even in games where I am getting my tuckus handed to me my team somehow can manage to score enough to get the game within that 3 run difference.

I love the game, dont get me wrong as the atmosphere and detail of the game is great, but it is frustrating at times.

Now, my other frustration is that I cant hit HR's with my power hitter, Dunn! Friggin Christian Guzman has more HR's for me than Dunn....not sure why? I can hit HR's with every player in the lineup except for the guy with the most power?? Ah well, maybe its a down year for him?

[Brian SCEA]

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But I clearly said that I didn't feel that "comeback code" is what was happening. I don't begin to even hint that I have any clue as to how AI actually works (or doesn't). I do however certainly know the difference between what is realistic and what is not. Especially when it comes to baseball. I was just using Rivera as an example of the extreme cases of this phenomena. I have seen this time & time again with many pitchers on many different teams. I too have been able to successively close lots of games with Rivera, as I said it is not an all the time occurrence, just an all too frequent one. I don't know how to explain it other than it's pretty blatantly obvious when it starts happening. Yes I see things that seem unnatural at times, impossible pitches being hit for HRs being one of them. I certainly am not going to try to debate this with you, obviously you program the game and know it better than anybody. I've been playing it for many years and feel confident that I am quite knowledgeable of it from that perspective. Many things have changed with the way this game plays this year. It certainly seems much tougher overall at every difficulty level, would you agree with that?

Anyway, I don't want to come off as argumentative, as I said I've been a huge fan of this game for a long time and the bottom line is that regardless of whether this is an actual problem or not, there is still no other baseball game that comes close to comparing. I know that you guys always say that although you strive to make the best game on the market, no game is perfect. It might sound odd, but I actually thought that my input could somehow be of help, since others are having a similar experience (perhaps we could help each other). Thank you very much for taking the time to read & respond to my posts.

I get what you're saying, and as I said there's nothing wrong with what you've been saying. You'll have to forgive me for trying to respond to more than one person in one post.

Some strategies that worked in previous years might not work as well this year, and for that reason some people won't find this year more difficult but others definitely will. If you find this year's game is more difficult, it's consistent with that. Many people think the game is harder.

Based on what you were describing, I'm only offering the possibility that a lot of what you've experienced has a baseball explanation. For example the real Rivera has a great record, but look at how he did against just Boston.

Rivera had four consecutive blown saves against Boston starting in 2005. In fact, his record against Boston for some time was 21 saves and 10 blown saves. Now if you got that record, maybe it's going to raise eyebrows especially with Rivera. But then we have to remember Trevor Hoffman's streaks. These stat anomalies are surprisingly common for even the best closers.

I haven't said every streak you've brought up comes down to this. But seeing that real life has had even longer streaks, I'm suggesting that at least most of the streaks you've described is not beyond baseball. With so many parallel worlds of baseball being played at the same time, we'd actually expect much bigger streaks than the real life ones.

[Brian SCEA]

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I dont know if there is comeback code or not...but all I know is that something doesnt feel the same as previous years games. Cant put my finger on it, but sometimes my losses feel really cheap, like with hilarious errors, or guys hitting dingers off pitches that are way out of the strike zone.

I dont mind losing at all, I mean I play with the Nats so I expect a ton of losses, but I dont like losing cheaply.

And its funny others mentioned the blowouts. I have yet to have a blow out final score, after 62 games played. I have had about 10-15 games where I have had a 6+ run lead and then given up runs a few innings later (cheaply) only to have the final score within 3 runs or less between my team and the cpu's. Even in games where I am getting my tuckus handed to me my team somehow can manage to score enough to get the game within that 3 run difference.

I love the game, dont get me wrong as the atmosphere and detail of the game is great, but it is frustrating at times.

Now, my other frustration is that I cant hit HR's with my power hitter, Dunn! Friggin Christian Guzman has more HR's for me than Dunn....not sure why? I can hit HR's with every player in the lineup except for the guy with the most power?? Ah well, maybe its a down year for him?

Have you tried playing on a different difficulty level?

We posted about the same time, and if you see my post above yours everything you described is what will happen if you play a team like the Nats. It's a mathematical principle that in the long run they'll lose more comebacks and have fewer blowouts.

About HRs, you'll definitely find this variation in individual players. For example with batting average, even if a player's ability stays exactly the same his actual batting numbers will vary by +/- .025 AVG over 600 at bats. This is the same reason why you can flip 53 heads and 47 tails even though you should be getting 50-50. Homeruns are a lot more volatile than batting average. This is before we even talk about how the players played.

[Brian SCEA]

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Valid points I guess, although I don't totally agree with you...but I try to go into a thread to see why a person is struggling with a game, then I just see response after response of the same people doing exactly what you said isn't happening, hijacking the thread to say something is off in the programming, that no matter how the person tweaks options/sliders/playing style , the game just won't play right...its not about choosing not to read them, because I'm following a normal thread about a person struggling with the game, then BAM!, you get a like 2 or 3 straight pages of the comeback theory garbage.

Anyways, don't want to continue to dwell, I know I was prob a lil over the tip with my last post, but like I said, I really needed to vent...I appreciate you being calm and rational in your response tho...happy playing!

I agree, there's too much thread hijacking going on and it actually prevents other people from saying what they want and contributing. It's a lot of threads.

[ricowiz]

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Have you tried playing on a different difficulty level?

We posted about the same time, and if you see my post above yours everything you described is what will happen if you play a team like the Nats. It's a mathematical principle that in the long run they'll lose more comebacks and have fewer blowouts.

About HRs, you'll definitely find this variation in individual players. For example with batting average, even if a player's ability stays exactly the same his actual batting numbers will vary by +/- .025 AVG over 600 at bats. This is the same reason why you can flip 53 heads and 47 tails even though you should be getting 50-50. Homeruns are a lot more volatile than batting average. This is before we even talk about how the players played.

Yeah, I actually play with user on Veteran and cpu to All-Star (I switched this during a game, under game options), but I may tone them down a bit. My problem is when I play with the cpu on veteran I can dominate them as a pitcher too often. I need to find that happy medium.

And I do understand the odds are that the Nats will not blow out many games, or win many...but like I said, its just feels different whenever I am ahead in a game and things start happening, like errors or batters jacking pitches out of the park that were in the dirt. I played with the Nats last year and finished the season 80-82...but dont recall losing a ton of games like the way I have been losing this year. I just chalk it up to the game "neutralizing" the Nats since they really arent good in real life.

I am not really complaining, I mean there is nothing I can do about it, and like I said I really do love playing this game despite the minor frustrations, but just wanted to post this so others that are getting ripped on the boards know there are others out there seeing the same thing.

As for HR's, I do agree and understand all the variations, and I think it might be I am trying a bit too hard when I am playing with Dunn. But here is a question, do you think that Contact plays a heavier role in HR's this year? I am going to try editing Dunn's contact numbers tonight to see if that helps me get some balls out of the park. I mean Guzman, Zimmerman, Dukes all have lower power than Dunn, but they all have pretty good contact and that seems to be the common demoninator as I am hitting them pretty regularly with those guys? Just a thought?

[GSW]

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the main problem i see is these show "veterans" playing on all star or HOF, gettin rocked or losing against teams they feel they should beat...

not using players to their strengths

and then comng here saying the game is broken.

i personally have no beefs with this game i havent touched a single slider and i play on veteran.

there is no comeback code, the dude who PROGRAMMED the freaking game has said that multiple times, so drop that.


Last night in my fantasy franchise i had a 1-0 lead going into the 9th, smoltz had only thrown 80 pitches so (even though i had lindstrom warmed up), i said to myself i can do this,

i got 1 out, 2 outs, and the third batter smoltz hung a slider that ended up in the alley and i eventually lost the game.

a few things happend there, i should have known that a tired pitcher would be more likely to throw a hanging slider and should have compensated it and not tried to get cute AND THROW A STRIKE IN A 1-2 COUNT... scond i should have just freakin brought in lindstrom.

either way all these dudes saying they are getting balls in the dirt golfed for homers and all this, i dont beleive any of that for one bit and im calling shenanigans, and i would liek to see replays of this to prove me wrong.

yall need to humble yourselves and play on the lower difficulty... and stop messing with all these sliders that could be potentially ruining your gaming expeierince

[ricowiz]

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the main problem i see is these show "veterans" playing on all star or HOF, gettin rocked or losing against teams they feel they should beat...

not using players to their strengths

and then comng here saying the game is broken.

i personally have no beefs with this game i havent touched a single slider and i play on veteran.

there is no comeback code, the dude who PROGRAMMED the freaking game has said that multiple times, so drop that.


Last night in my fantasy franchise i had a 1-0 lead going into the 9th, smoltz had only thrown 80 pitches so (even though i had lindstrom warmed up), i said to myself i can do this,

i got 1 out, 2 outs, and the third batter smoltz hung a slider that ended up in the alley and i eventually lost the game.

a few things happend there, i should have known that a tired pitcher would be more likely to throw a hanging slider and should have compensated it and not tried to get cute AND THROW A STRIKE IN A 1-2 COUNT... scond i should have just freakin brought in lindstrom.

either way all these dudes saying they are getting balls in the dirt golfed for homers and all this, i dont beleive any of that for one bit and im calling shenanigans, and i would liek to see replays of this to prove me wrong.

yall need to humble yourselves and play on the lower difficulty... and stop messing with all these sliders that could be potentially ruining your gaming expeierince

My problem with playing on veteran with no sliders is I can pretty much shut down the computer, which is no fun....I get more of a challenge when they are set to All-Star.