2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[JHeyBraves]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Playing as the Braves, looking to acquire P Marcus Stroman from the Blue Jays. I thought with all the Jays fans in here, someone might be able to steer me in the right direction.

I didn't see him on the spreadsheet, so I didn't know what his value would be.

[sink4ever]

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Thats not what this thread is for, obviuosly this thread just isnt for you so these posts really arent necessary

I'm going way out on a limb here, but I'm guessing none of us are MLB GM's in real life. None of us really know exactly what is or is not definitively realistic. If you read people's responses in this thread, the definition of realistic changes from person to person, as does what would be considered realistic.

I think there's room for trades to be discussed that maybe don't fall into our subjective narrow definitions of realism. And maybe there's a little room for graciousness toward people who are new to the thread or are just looking for a little information.

I'm not calling you out in particular, this has been a common theme throughout this thread. Some people just want to be fair and aren't familiar enough with various players to know when a trade proposal is lopsided. Some people have a much more lenient view on what is fair or realistic than others.

I just think with a little grace and understanding there's room for just about everyone.

[mgcst5]

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I'm currently in a Twins dynasty. My team is surprising in first place at the end of April (1.5 ahead of Detroit) In my first move of the season i signed K-Rod to close because I didn't particularly trust Perkins at the back-end. K-Rod has been roughed up a bit but also had his bright spots showing that he is still a viable closer option. Unfortunately I don't really need K-Rod to close because when I've won it has been big (although this trend possibly isn't sustainable it seems like it will be because it has been like that for the majority of my show experience.) So I am going to go with a closer by committee approach. I paid K-Rod 5 mil on a 1 year deal so bringing him off my payroll is essential. I found a couple of good fits who could use him.

Pirates (Grilli has been rocked so far and they don't have another real option besides Melancon)

Blue Jays (Janssen also has been rocked although they have Santos)

Tigers (I know they are a division foe but I was hoping that would mean they are willing to pay a little more since Rondon's ERA is 10.60 in 17.1 innings.)

If anyone has any suggestions as to what i should acquire, I am really looking for a lefty specialist but I would settle for any player that is either a developmental prospect or someone who has major league experience at any position, that would be greatly appreciated.

Feel free to also suggest other teams to trade with and I can provide the stats necessary if that helps.

[BlueJays09]

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I'm currently in a Twins dynasty. My team is surprising in first place at the end of April (1.5 ahead of Detroit) In my first move of the season i signed K-Rod to close because I didn't particularly trust Perkins at the back-end. K-Rod has been roughed up a bit but also had his bright spots showing that he is still a viable closer option. Unfortunately I don't really need K-Rod to close because when I've won it has been big (although this trend possibly isn't sustainable it seems like it will be because it has been like that for the majority of my show experience.) So I am going to go with a closer by committee approach. I paid K-Rod 5 mil on a 1 year deal so bringing him off my payroll is essential. I found a couple of good fits who could use him.

Pirates (Grilli has been rocked so far and they don't have another real option besides Melancon)

Blue Jays (Janssen also has been rocked although they have Santos)

Tigers (I know they are a division foe but I was hoping that would mean they are willing to pay a little more since Rondon's ERA is 10.60 in 17.1 innings.)

If anyone has any suggestions as to what i should acquire, I am really looking for a lefty specialist but I would settle for any player that is either a developmental prospect or someone who has major league experience at any position, that would be greatly appreciated.

Feel free to also suggest other teams to trade with and I can provide the stats necessary if that helps.

Deal him to Toronto for Darren Olliver...i know its not real but if Janssen struggling they may do it. Olliver is a nice lefty who I have used as a setup man over Santos in my Franchise and is beasting when coming in but of course his age is a factor but if that dont matter to you I know he will help your bullpen.

Tigers have Phil Coke if ya want a Lefty as well

[hradekbr]

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I'm going way out on a limb here, but I'm guessing none of us are MLB GM's in real life. None of us really know exactly what is or is not definitively realistic. If you read people's responses in this thread, the definition of realistic changes from person to person, as does what would be considered realistic.

I think there's room for trades to be discussed that maybe don't fall into our subjective narrow definitions of realism. And maybe there's a little room for graciousness toward people who are new to the thread or are just looking for a little information.

I'm not calling you out in particular, this has been a common theme throughout this thread. Some people just want to be fair and aren't familiar enough with various players to know when a trade proposal is lopsided. Some people have a much more lenient view on what is fair or realistic than others.

I just think with a little grace and understanding there's room for just about everyone.

If some one says to me i just want to be fair and dont care about realism then Ill steer them in that direction, but if theyre going for both Ill tell them what I believe is realistic or not

[OnIowa]

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Looking to explore a realistic trade to get rid of Aramis Ramirez, want to make room to get Hunter Morris some playing time. What do you guys think the Brewers would be looking for in return?

[ubernoob]

Looking to explore a realistic trade to get rid of Aramis Ramirez, want to make room to get Hunter Morris some playing time. What do you guys think the Brewers would be looking for in return?

Why not just move Morris to first base?

[PurdueKid1]

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I absolutely love this thread. I read and posted in it multiple times throughout last year and for the most part you get some really good input.

I just downloaded the Excel file that you guys made and that's an incredible too. Stuff like that is what keeps me coming back.

But saying that... I have 2 opinions of my own:
1. Yes this is a thread that you come to for help to see what sounds like a fair trade but there is some stipulations. Is your trade fair IRL or fair in your franchise? These franchises progress faster than IRL obviously. So trading a top 'untouchable' prospect might make sense in your world.

2. It's tough to say anyone is untouchable. Sure, Harper and Trout are highly unlikely to be traded but we've seen in the past anything can happen. What happens if a star stud has a falling out with a team. Or if a team decides to have a fire sale like the Red Sox did last year. Everyone laughed at the idea that Gonzo would be traded or Crawford or Beckett or ... you get the point.

There's a little saying in life 'Everything has a price'. So keep that in mind.

Enjoy guys

[sink4ever]

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If some one says to me i just want to be fair and dont care about realism then Ill steer them in that direction, but if theyre going for both Ill tell them what I believe is realistic or not

I think that sounds perfect.

[BlueJays09]

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OK back on track....

<hr style="color:#393939" size="1"> Definately some good options, but I want to get young players who are not locks to be full time starters. The seattle one with Liddi/Saunders/other prospect sounds decent. Cabrera from Cleveland isnt ideal since I have Jose Reyes. The trade for Cespedes isnt ideal either because I am looking to open some roster spots for some younger guys. Right now there would be a couple roster spots and I have Sierra, Smith fighting and I would like to get a couple more major league ready (but not stars already) so again:

Lawrie for 3B/SS/2B + OF + prob a Pitching Prospect.

- If the prospects are good I would also add something like Bonifacio or Arencieba for maybe a prospect or 2 extra. I was looking at teams like Twins, Astros, Mariners, Marlins...but wouldnt be opposed to dealing them to good teams as well

I provided a list of teams and players I like. Players OTB are Lawrie, Arencieba, Bonifacio

Marlins – Ruggiano, Morrison, Valaika, Solano, and their young pitchers
Cubs – Sappelt, Cattillo, Barney, Rizzo, young pitchers
Rockies – Young Jr, Rosario, Rutledge, Nelson, Pacheco, Herrera, young pitchers
Astros – Maxwell, Martinez, Carter, Dominguez, young pitchers
Brewers – Gomez, Aoki, Segura, young pitchers
Twins – Plouffe, Mastroianni, Parmelee, young pitchers
Mets – Valdespin, Cowgill, Turner, young pitchers
Athletics – Young, Moss, Lowrie, Rosales, Sogard, young pitchers
Padres – Denorfia, Maybin, Amarista, Gyorko, Forsythe, Alonso, young pitchers
Mariners – Saunders, Seager, Liddi, Ackley, young pitchers
Cardinals – Jay, Carpenter, Descalso, young pitchers

EX: Lawrie, Arencieba, prospect for Rosario, Young Jr, Rutledge/Nelson, young Picther...this just example of something I may be looking for

EDIT: LOOKING FOR FAIR FOR OTHER TEAMS NOT REALISM

[AC]

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i would hang up on the fone if Lawrie was offered to me for Ces

He's cheaper at a weak position and just as good but I haven't agreed with you once in nearly half a year I don't think

Agreed also if Rendon had been healthy for that whole 2013 year I'd also have to pass on that trade. Plus idk if the Tribe would trade Chisenhall, A Cab and Bauer all for one player

Only reason I suggested Rendon is injuries.

I'm not sure either but meh, it's not the worst deal ever.

Why do you guys always strive for "realistic" trades?

Because if I wanted fantasy trades I'd play fantasy baseball, lol.

Last year if anyone in this forum wanted to trade for Trevor Bauer we would of all said "unrealistic" but look where he is now in Cleveland.

Did I say this? If I did, I should be shot. There was some pretty clear friction.

How many of us would consider the rays trading Wil Myers being realistic?

I'm not sure what you mean, do you mean them acquiring him? There were some stirrings of him being traded for a while. And that K% is baaaad lol.

Not to mention if anyone had mentioned in this thread they wanted Reyes,Johnson and Buehrle from the marlins for garbage prospects they would of been laughed at.

Johnson was perfectly trade-able. Hell, I'm pretty sure I brought up Reyes, too. No one brought up Buehrle because he's kinda horrible.

I think we all need to get over this idea of "realistic" and trust the Shows trade logic, even if you see the CPU make an unfair trade in the game why not create a storyline such as Justin Upton falling out of favor with management?

Some do. The dynasties on this site are AMAZING.

Get over realism and just make some badass trades isn't that what video games are about?

For you, maybe. For me, no. What's the big deal lol?

Responses bolded

You do know that Cespedes WILL be traded eventually?
Just like every good A's player?

OUCH

Some guys come in here not knowing the ins and outs of every team and ask if this trade looks good and it involves 2-3 superstars they're shown the door quickly or told to go look at a spreadsheet, then come back.

Shown the door quickly? Alrighty lol, whatever you say.

And NOONE being traded is unrealistic.

I vehemently disagree.

Anyone can be traded for anyone.

Technically true.

Just look at the laugher the Jays pulled on Miami.

Why does no one realize the Jays kinda got mauled in that trade?

If i asked that trade in last years forum. I'd be told to stop being unrealistic.

Addressed Miami players being traded two posts up

You guys forget anyone is tradable regardless of how good they are.

In the strictest technical sense, I guess.

Cheers.

In bold.

Mariners – Saunders, Seager, Liddi, Ackley, young pitchers

Lawrie for Ackley/Seager + Romero/Saunders + Hultzen/Paxton is something I could really get behind.

Playing as the Braves, looking to acquire P Marcus Stroman from the Blue Jays. I thought with all the Jays fans in here, someone might be able to steer me in the right direction.

I didn't see him on the spreadsheet, so I didn't know what his value would be.

You're right, he's not on the spreadsheet. Stroman's an AWESOME target. Kid's a beast. I think he could be had for a guy like Venters and/or high minors pitching prospect like Gilmartin/Wood/etc.

[BlueJays09]

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To AC:

What about Lawrie+Arencieba+mid level prospect to Rockies for Rosario+Young Jr+Rutledge or Nelson+ young and coming SP/RP?

or to the A's for Chris Young + nice young INF + young SP

or to the Twins for Plouffe + Parmelee + pitcher

- I do like the Mariners idea as well, bringing Saunders back to Canada while getting either Ackley/Seager and a Pitcher is a great idea

[AC]

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To AC:

What about Lawrie+Arencieba+mid level prospect to Rockies for Rosario+Young Jr+Rutledge or Nelson+ young and coming SP/RP?

or to the A's for Chris Young + nice young INF + young SP

or to the Twins for Plouffe + Parmelee + pitcher

- I do like the Mariners idea as well, bringing Saunders back to Canada while getting either Ackley/Seager and a Pitcher is a great idea

You are getting ripped of to the MAX with all of those trades, ouch. That young SP would have to be Pomeranz, that young INF would have to be someone the A's don't have, and that young SP would have to be Milone/Griffin+. That pitcher on the Twins you specified.. they don't even have a top pitching prospect. May isn't bad though. I'd go with the Mariners. trade.

[BlueJays09]

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You are getting ripped of to the MAX with all of those trades, ouch. That young SP would have to be Pomeranz, that young INF would have to be someone the A's don't have, and that young SP would have to be Milone/Griffin+. That pitcher on the Twins you specified.. they don't even have a top pitching prospect. May isn't bad though. I'd go with the Mariners. trade.

Ya im currently in round 1 of playoffs (best 2/3) against Orioles and currently up 1-0, so I have a little before I decided which route to take this offseason, but looks like ill be between the Mariners and Rockies if I decide to make a move. Thanks alot

[JDub0820]

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After much deliberating, I took the advice from those that offered it and decided to not make a big move with my Tigers for a greatly desired speedy SS to fill my personal want. I started the franchise without any moves and although I am just a few games in I now have a desire to acquire a bullpen arm as I am already struggling with my current pen. Looking for advice for targets as I am not the most knowledgable about bullpen depth around the league. Probably aiming too high at names like Gregerson, O'Flaherty, McGee caliber? Any suggestions?
Albuquerque is really the only bullpen arm I have been happy with, but it is still early. (Probably gonna bring Rondon up and give him a try though)