2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[DaBull_33]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

So, I was looking over my proposed trade for Brian McCann from a few pages back, and I noticed that the Braves have Mike Minor on the block.

Let me start off by saying I don't plan to make a move until closer to the ASB, but I wanted an opinion on this idea before I sink too much time into it.

I've always pitched really well with Minor, and I think he'd be a great addition to my pitching staff for the second half.

Tulo is playing lights out this season, and save for a few minor injuries, he's stayed healthy. With him entrenched at SS, I don't necessarily have a use for Trevor Story. Plus, I may have found a stud SS in the draft anyway.

So, what about this deal:

Trevor Story (Low A) + Eddie Butler (High B) + Jayson Aquino (Mid B) + Hector Santiago (High C)

FOR

Brian McCann + Mike Minor + Tyler Pasternicky


The move would allow the Braves to shift Story to second, giving them a dynamic MI with Simmons at SS and Story at 2B. They get a pair of high potential starters as a safety net for the starters who have bombed horribly so far this year, plus a lefty swing man for either the bullpen or the starting rotation.

I get a good power-hitting catcher to platoon with Rosario, a solid lefty for my rotation, and a fringe MLB SS for some depth up the middle.

Thoughts? Like I said, I'll probably hold out until right around the ASB, or even closer to the deadline, but I wanted to get some input first. Braves have hovered around 5 games under .500 all season, and they are sitting at 11.0 games out of first place, in the first week of June, if that helps at all.

[rjackson]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

D'Arnaud for Gillaspie/Morel straight up is fair.

I'm having a hard time seeing the A's part with Lowrie and Doolittle if they're not out of it. Plus with Donaldson at third, where would you play Pedro? Have them both split 3B/DH?

They love to plattoon, Donaldson isn't really that great, and who knows what Billy is thinking.

I agree the 1st one is fine.

The 2nd one is not bad either, but I'd like it better if the A's had not just acquired Jed Lowrie in the offseason before this year. I doubt they'd deal for him just to spin him off right away, so that kills the realism for me.

To be fair, the Pale Hose would have just acquired Gillaspie as well. I'm admittedly grasping a little here motivated by Gillaspie being a local guy, my dislike of Alvarez, and then seeing Lowrie and Doolittle as two players I could REALLY use.

That being said, I'm not afraid to overpay to make this happen. Anything you guys think would be enough to make Hahn and Beane say yeah, we'd be stupid not to do that but not so much that I'm just stooopid myself? I don't care about PIT realism since I am them, just OAK and CWS. Hell, I'll use Taillon as a trade chip if Reddick gets involved...

[rjackson]

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Those are all good and pretty cheap names to acquire, thanks!

I'll add in Chris Nelson, Jason Marquis, and John Baker after Grandal's return. Oh, John McDonald.

[Totte]

I'll add in Chris Nelson, Jason Marquis, and John Baker after Grandal's return. Oh, John McDonald.

That's right, former Marlin John Baker. Would provide nice AAA depth and a pleasant reunion. Thanks

[G3no_11]

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Thoughts? Like I said, I'll probably hold out until right around the ASB, or even closer to the deadline, but I wanted to get some input first. Braves have hovered around 5 games under .500 all season, and they are sitting at 11.0 games out of first place, in the first week of June, if that helps at all.

I don't think it's a bad trade as far as fairness goes. It would also depend on how far back the Braves are out of the Wild Card and how well McCann and Minor's stats are.

My issue is I think you are giving up quite a bit for what you are getting. McCann is a solid catcher, but I don't really see the necessity in getting him when Wilin Rosario will be the main starter behind the plate. Me personally (with a lot of bias), think Yorvit is a great catcher to have as a backup. He's really all you need for a guy that is only going to play 1 or 2 games a week.

Going from the Rockies website, you would be giving up your #2, #9, and #10 ranked prospects for a backup catcher, a backup infielder (when you have plenty of those), and a middle of the rotation starter.

I like the idea of getting Minor if you need to improve your starting pitching, but I think you should aim lower for a backup catcher if you really think it's necessary to drop Yorvit.

How is your starting pitching doing? You could always look to call up Pomeranz or Chatwood if they aren't already in your rotation.

For infield depth: Herrera, Brignac, LeMahieu, Rutledge? Pacheco can play 1B, 3B, and C.

Is anyone injured for a significant amount of time?

[Totte]

They love to plattoon, Donaldson isn't really that great, and who knows what Billy is thinking.
To be fair, the Pale Hose would have just acquired Gillaspie as well. I'm admittedly grasping a little here motivated by Gillaspie being a local guy, my dislike of Alvarez, and then seeing Lowrie and Doolittle as two players I could REALLY use.

That being said, I'm not afraid to overpay to make this happen. Anything you guys think would be enough to make Hahn and Beane say yeah, we'd be stupid not to do that but not so much that I'm just stooopid myself? I don't care about PIT realism since I am them, just OAK and CWS. Hell, I'll use Taillon as a trade chip if Reddick gets involved...

With Oakland having a logjam in the OF, I'm sure Billy Beane would listen if you offered up Taillon in a package deal for Reddick. By all means, go for it! I'm sure Reddick would mash in Pittsburgh and play RF extremely well beside Cutch. Somewhat short RF at PNC and Reddick's to a nice arm. Maybe you can throw someone out at 1B

[rjackson]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Okay, so how does this look--remember I'm needing OAK to accept this and myself to the extent that I don't want to start over if I feel like I ripped them off!

OAK gets
Jameson Taillon
Pedro Alvarez
?? C+ SP prospect?

PIT gets
Josh Reddick
Jed Lowrie
Sean Doolittle

Would they also want an OF like Snider or Pressley or something also? Would they want a SS back ala Barmes, McDonald, Jordy Mercer? I just don't know OAK that well. I think this leaves them with Sogard and Grant Green at SS? Oh, and their int'l signing, Iwakuma? I don't recall his name.

[Totte]

Okay, so how does this look--remember I'm needing OAK to accept this and myself to the extent that I don't want to start over if I feel like I ripped them off!

OAK gets
Jameson Taillon
Pedro Alvarez
?? C+ SP prospect?

PIT gets
Josh Reddick
Jed Lowrie
Sean Doolittle

Would they also want an OF like Snider or Pressley or something also? Would they want a SS back ala Barmes, McDonald, Jordy Mercer? I just don't know OAK that well. I think this leaves them with Sogard and Grant Green at SS? Oh, and their int'l signing, Iwakuma? I don't recall his name.

Japanese import Nakajima?

Your deal looks fine. Add Snider and someone like Mercer maybe?

[rjackson]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Okay, so how does this look--remember I'm needing OAK to accept this and myself to the extent that I don't want to start over if I feel like I ripped them off!

OAK gets
Jameson Taillon
Pedro Alvarez
C+ SP prospect
Jordy Mercer
Travis Snider

PIT gets
Josh Reddick
Jed Lowrie
Sean Doolittle

Totte seems to feel that Billy Bean would have accepted this offer had it come to him during Spring Training. If someone seconds and thirds the motion via thumbs up on this post or reply, I think I'm going to do it. NFG, you out there? Or any further thoughts? I will appreciate it!

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Totte seems to feel that Billy Bean would have accepted this offer had it come to him during Spring Training. If someone seconds and thirds the motion via thumbs up on this post or reply, I think I'm going to do it. NFG, you out there? Or any further thoughts? I will appreciate it!

My 2 cents.....Kinda long-winded....more like 3 cents

I think you're giving up substantially too much. Taillon's a low A at the very least, right (mid A + mid B on the spreadsheet)? I don't think anybody on the Oakland side is worth an A.

Reddick is a high B and a mid B, so Reddick ~ Alvarez (high B + high B).

Mercer (high C) = Doolittle (low B) imo.

So you're giving Taillon, an unspecified C+ pitcher, and Snider for only Jed Lowrie, which is a massive overpay of Biblical proportions.

Even if you don't buy Alvarez = Reddick, then Alvarez + Snider should = Reddick, so it's still too much.

I think a couple of ways to tweak this would be to add in Gregory Polanco (who is a B now but his stock continues to rise rapidly) or Alen Hanson in place of Taillon, and also upgrade Doolittle to Ryan Cook. Still an overpay, but that's getting closer at least.

If you leave Taillon in there, you could probably ask for Josh Donaldson and upgrade the pitcher from Doolittle to Ryan Cook et cetera

But you also said you're a stickler for realism, so...

I still think no matter the price you pay, Lowrie being included is at least a little unrealistic because the A's just got him. I do think, though, that if Taillon is headed to Oakland, and if Lowrie HAD to be in there to make it happen, Beane would do it anyway. He doesn't play by our *rules* of realism and he's not stupid.

Also, I seriously doubt the A's realistically trade Reddick at the beginning of the season. Taillon or no Taillon. If they're out of it in late June, I could see it. Maybe...

In response to the "who plays SS for OAK after your deal?" part, Nakajima, Grant Green, Adam Rosales, Andy Parrino, and Eric Sogard are all options. They actually have a logjam in the middle IF, so I'm not sure you'd need to send them a SS back. And also Jemile Weeks + Scott Sizemore to play 2B.

Honestly my advice would be:

-see if you can get Reddick for an Alen Hanson/Gregory Polanco + Snider/Tabata package in mid-season

-Keep Taillon.

-Leave Lowrie in Oakland, and try out Jordy Mercer, Ivan DeJesus, Chase d'Arnaud, or Clint Barmes at SS. I don't think Lowrie is a huge upgrade over that, though I don't know how he's rated in game.

-If the Mercer/d'Arnaud/DeJesus/ Barmes experiment fails, then maybe a trade for Lowrie becomes more realistic in mid-year (with Oakland out of the race). You can also kick the tires on Asdrubal Cabrera, Brian Dozier, Brendan Ryan, Stephen Drew (if Sawx suck), Everth Cabrera, Tyler Pastornicky, Ruben Tejada, and Jimmy Rollins (if the Phillies suck) to get you to the point where an in-house option pans out or you sign a FA.

One other idea that I haven't seen proposed would be, since you don't seem to mind giving up a high level SP prospect, what about a prospect for prospect deal? You could do Taillon to the Rockies for Trevor Story (which is roughly fair, still a bit in their favor) and be set at SS for the long run. Story is only 20 and just getting his feet wet in high A ball now (and struggling so far), but I bet he's rated pretty well in game and you might even be able to bring him up your first year.

Oh, and I'm sure you've already thought of this, but make a separate save before you do any trade (if you already think there's the potential to want to undo a trade) and have that to fall back on just in case you sour on the deal.

[rjackson]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Good stuff. Having Reddick would be beast but I am fine with a Snider-Tabata RF. I can live with my SS situation for awhile as well. I just cannot live with Alvarez striking out everytime I get a man on third and one out. Adam Dunn makes better contact in game and IRL combined than Pedro does for me in game. Lowrie is admittedly a marginal upgrade.

Anyways, my primary goal is to change out Pedro. You have any ideas on that front? I can do a Harrison-LHH 3B platoon and be okay with that.

[Bluejaysfan65]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Good stuff. Having Reddick would be beast but I am fine with a Snider-Tabata RF. I can live with my SS situation for awhile as well. I just cannot live with Alvarez striking out everytime I get a man on third and one out. Adam Dunn makes better contact in game and IRL combined than Pedro does for me in game. Lowrie is admittedly a marginal upgrade.

Anyways, my primary goal is to change out Pedro. You have any ideas on that front? I can do a Harrison-LHH 3B platoon and be okay with that.

If you need a third baseman back, how about Mike Olt? Nick Castellanos? Todd Frazier? Lonnie Chisenhall?

[rjackson]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Let me try it this way, who would want Alvarez? I don't need a 3b back.

[BlueJays09]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Im sure the Yankees would bite on 3B especially Alvarez ..maybe in a deal for JJ Hardy (O's can move Machado to SS) and you will upgrade SS which you need (with other pieces of course). You would probably have to overpay a bit since they love JJ

[nowitsourtime]

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Alvarez to the Braves for Mike Minor and Chris Johnson?

To the Indians for Ronny Rodriguez and Yan Gomes? Or you could throw Chisenhall for Rodriguez if a 3B replacement

To the royals for Cuthbert and Dyson? Only if Moustakas is doing poorly