2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[nowitsourtime]

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WaitTilNextYear summed up my points and added others in one post. Bravo

[Jakesparrow1008]

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Do you think the Mariners are a good fit for Shaun Marcum? What kinds of players would the Mets want for him if yes?

[nowitsourtime]

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Do you think the Mariners are a good fit for Shaun Marcum? What kinds of players would the Mets want for him if yes?

Little bit unrealistic since Marcum just signed a deal with the Mets this past offseason

[Jakesparrow1008]

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I was thinking more for a deadline deal if the Mets were out of contention.

[nowitsourtime]

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I was thinking more for a deadline deal if the Mets were out of contention.

Probably an OF like Gutierrez or Saunders or a high C prospect

[hradekbr]

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Do you think the Mariners are a good fit for Shaun Marcum? What kinds of players would the Mets want for him if yes?

I don't think the Mariners would want any part of Marcum, especially with all the young pitching they have coming. Marcum has basically competent fallen off last year. I just don't see the fit here.

[Jakesparrow1008]

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I don't think the Mariners would want any part of Marcum, especially with all the young pitching they have coming. Marcum has basically competent fallen off last year. I just don't see the fit here.

what pitchers do you see the M's targeting?

[TheNumber35]

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what pitchers do you see the M's targeting?

None. The M's have 3 high ceiling pitching prospects that are all close to the Bigs. There is 0 reason for them to go out and acquire someone via trade considering how highly the think of all 3.

[Jakesparrow1008]

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None. The M's have 3 high ceiling pitching prospects that are all close to the Bigs. There is 0 reason for them to go out and acquire someone via trade considering how highly the think of all 3.

so i should be looking for infield help and offense?

[AC]

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None. The M's have 3 high ceiling pitching prospects that are all close to the Bigs. There is 0 reason for them to go out and acquire someone via trade considering how highly the think of all 3.

Paxton isn't exactly a lock and Maurer isn't really that close, so I think that they could get *one* guy

[TheNumber35]

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Paxton isn't exactly a lock and Maurer isn't really that close, so I think that they could get *one* guy

But Marcum isn't a guy that I view as a good enough upgrade to be worthy of dealing for him haha. I could see Marcum being dealt, but I don't see him as an appealing candidate to acquire. I mean that's all opinion...but Marcum is a marginal upgrade over the 4 guys in Seattle's rotation not named Felix. They would be better off signing Lohse or going after someone else.

[AC]

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But Marcum isn't a guy that I view as a good enough upgrade to be worthy of dealing for him haha. I could see Marcum being dealt, but I don't see him as an appealing candidate to acquire. I mean that's all opinion...but Marcum is a marginal upgrade over the 4 guys in Seattle's rotation not named Felix. They would be better off signing Lohse or going after someone else.

Yeah, I could see that. I doubt the Mets deal Marcum in any case, though.

[CameRoN0407]

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How much would it take to get one of the Mariners pitching prospects. Pedroia and Bogaerts are the only off limits for me...

[BBallcoach]

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OK, so I think the fact that the board is so split on this Halladay for Markakis and Matusz trade actually tells me it must be a pretty good deal, since smart amateur baseball people on both sides can see the merits. But count me in favor of Baltimore would ABSOLUTELY consider trading Markakis for Halladay.

And here's why...

What is common in all World Series Champions lately? If you said strong starting pitching, you'd be cliche, but also correct. We can think of the Giants/Cardinals/Yankees/Phillies/Red Sox as teams who have won recently. Guess what all of those have in common? Strong starting pitching and a legitimate ACE. Whether you're talking about Cain, Bumgarner, Wainwright, Hamels, Sabathia, Schilling, Beckett--you're talking about top aces that can win any given playoff game.

The Orioles currently don't have an ace. Certainly they have some great depth, but nothing even resembling an ace, not yet anyway.

But, Roy Halladay could be an ace for another 2-3 years yet if he can get/stay healthy. Even in a bad year for him last year, he still posted numbers that would have put him as Baltimore's 2nd starter. In fact, even though he was hurt last year, Halladay pitched more innings (156) than anyone on BAL's staff aside from Wei-Yin Chen. Last season was the first time since 2005 that 2-time Cy Young winner Roy Halladay did not pitch 200+ innings in a season. He's been consistently at 220-250 IP for half a decade now. If you removed the name and just looked at K/9 = 7.6, K/BB = 3.76 W-L 11-8, 4.49 ERA, 1.22 WHIP you might think, hey this guy is pretty good. And then if you consider he's been an 8+ WAR pitcher (!!!!) 2 of the past 3 seasons in a pitcher's park, you'd really be stoked. And this doesn't even count how awesome it would be for the young pitchers like Dylan Bundy to learn from a guy like Roy Halladay.

35 is old for some players, but scores of pitchers have pitched to 40 and been effective. Just look at Maddux or Mussina or Fergie Jenkins or Schilling or Randy Johnson or Andy Pettitte or John Smoltz...to infinity. I actually think Halladay has shown incredible durability in his career and his tall, strong frame is the type that ages particularly well.

And you can't tell me that the Orioles trotting Roy Halladay out there for Game 1 of a playoff series wouldn't geek up the fans and sike out the opposing team moreso than Miguel Gonzalez or Chris Tillman or Wei-Yin Chen or Jason Hammel? Seriously? Halladay has a 2.37 ERA and 0.74 WHIP in 38 playoff innings. Baltimore's current starting rotation doesn't have 38 playoff IP combined.

And this analysis doesn't really try to tear Markakis down either to prove a point. He's a solid player that people are simply overrating (1.5-2.0ish WAR, hovering around 0.800 OPS lately). As a matter of fact, Markakis ranked tied with Manny Machado (who played half as many games) for 4th on the Orioles in WAR for position players in 2012. Adam Jones, Matt Wieters, and J.J. Hardy all had WARs at least 2x higher. And Chris Davis even had a 1.3 WAR. So, the whole "Markakis is the best (or one of the top 2-3) hitters on the O's" argument is quite a stretch at best. I think Markakis, in 2013, is realistically the 4th or 5th most valuable position player on the O's after Jones, Wieters, Machado, and maybe Hardy (lower if Brian Roberts comes back strong).

Ok, but like all sports it's a what have you done lately... you guys act like The young halladay is coming back... he's not. WAR is not the end all stat. I'm sorry but the O's aren't going to trade a 29 year old Markakis (who doesn't turn 30 til november) for a 35 year old Halladay (turns 36 in may) and is on a decline. He isn't a number one anymore and if he pitches like last year he's a an ok #2. It's not that you can get more for markakis, it's he means more to that club. He's one of it's best hitters (only Jones is better), very good defensively and he is one of their team leaders. No team in their right mind would trade that valuable of a player to their team to for a pitcher who is on the decline, 6.5 years older, coming off an injury and not showing signs of getting it back to where it was.
Not only would it be a bad move, it's an atrocious one. This isn't halladay from 2 years ago. It's a new day, can't live in the past.

[tyloraw]

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About the second month of the season as the Giants, I was struggling for a good left handed reliever because Javi Lopez just wasn't cutting it. (5.45 or so ERA, giving up HRs to both sides, etc) And so I ended up trading him and another right handed reliever, I think it was Kontos, to Detroit for Smyly and Albuquerque.

Not sure why they agreed, felt like a steal to me, but I got them locked up. Started out Using Smyly as a spot starter/long Reliever and Albuquerque as set up man with Casilla. I'm thinking this was a pretty damn good trade but honestly there may be something I'm over looking. But funny enough, mid season, trained Smyly in Stamina and now he's my Fourth. (Cause damn Vogelsong is -3 in every stat and went 1-7.)

Thinking I came out alright on that one.