2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[BBallcoach]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

20 HR is a stretch for Markakis--he's been closer to 10 lately!

As for your quest to deal Johan Santana, I think BAL says no to that mainly because Johan's under contract for only this year (at $25M !!!), with a team option for next year and a $5.5M buyout. So, what this means is BAL would be getting him for only one season. HOWEVER, the main problem, even more than the money, is Santana will be on the DL to start the season after off-season shoulder surgery. So, if you do this, BAL could be paying $30M for only part of one season of Johan Santana, and there's no way that happens.

Even though Arrieta and Avery would be a reasonable return for a healthy Johan Santana, I'd think the only realistic thing to do here would be to wait 'til Santana comes back (or nearly so) and keep your fingers crossed that BAL is in the hunt. Then it would make a lot of sense.

For a ST trade to someone else, you'd have to trade him to a team with no payroll conscience like NYY or LAD really (possibly the Angels who need a starter and have $$$). And even then, NYY has "austerity" measures in place and the Dodgers are trying to trade a starter, not get another one.

Good Luck!

well i'm talkin in game... Santana's salary is 5.5 mil unless the OSFM's will be changing that. I figured BAL would try to continue to stay in the hunt with NYY and BOS down this year. If we're going real world figures I know BAL wouldn't go for it for salary alone

[patrickryan39]

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Well, can you be more specific? Are you looking for an OFer currently in MLB but on the youngish side..someone to play right away? Or are you looking for someone who might get a call-up this year or next...a prospect? A power bat or a speedster?

Not knowing exactly what you need, I'd assume you're talking about a MLB-ready corner OF with some power. If that's the case, you might look into a deal with Texas for Nelson Cruz if you can wait until Cruz's suspension is up. Also, the White Sox might do something that wild and give up Dayan Viciedo. The Royals are hungry for pitching and could part with Alex Gordon. The Orioles might be willing to give you Nick Markakis and a starter like Brian Matusz also.

If you're more into speedy/defense guys, Craig Gentry in Texas would also be feasible. For OF prospects, the Red Sox, White Sox, or Brewers might be a good place to start looking.

In general, even though Halladay's in a contract year and his option for 2014 is unlikely to vest, his $20M salary would rule out any small market teams unless you match salary. Also, an intra-division trade is highly unlikely.

Good luck!

Thanks! I will try that when I turn the game on. My whole goal was to trade either him or Cliff Lee and halladay is now down from a 94 to a 87. He is doing good, 10-2 but The Phillies need young guys. As far as your question, I really would take young guys who start maybe in AAA for a year or two. Some guys who are 19-21 but with A potential. Its just hard cause Halladays salary is around 9 million and the younger guys dont even hit a million. But, Ill look into who you said.

[sink4ever]

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where is a good source for finding prospects by team? I really want to dive into my OSFM franchise by researching prospects in a Johan Santana deal to throw out some proposals so when i start I'm ready to go.

As far as non-subscription sites, minorleagueball and fangraphs have lists that can at least help you get familiar with the top guys in each team's system.

Minorleagueball Top 20 List:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/1/14/3876450/updated-2013-top-20-prospect-lists-per-organization

Fangraphs Top 15 List:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...lists-a-recap/

[AC]

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Mets: Send Johan Santana

O's: Send Jake Arrieta and Xavier Avery (OSFM guys had him as a C+ potential but in game he's a B)

That's absolutely fine

Fangraphs Top 15 List:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...lists-a-recap/

Fangraphs is probably the absolute #1 site for prospect hunting.

[nowitsourtime]

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Is Jake Arrieta still a B potential in the game?

[iRepIndiana]

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I'm pretty sure they wouldn't trade one of their best hitters in his prime for a 35 year old pitcher coming off his worst season in 10 years. There is no way they trade Markakis for Halladay. It would make the team worse.

Obviously I said they would give up more (meaning Philly).

[nowitsourtime]

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Obviously I said they would give up more (meaning Philly).

I believe Halladay is more valuable than Markakis. Markakis is slated to turn 30 later this year which means he's exiting his prime. The Orioles need starting pitching more than they need an outfielder like Markakis. He's slated to make $15 million per year for the next two years so it's not like he's cheap.

The Orioles have plenty of OF depth. Like WaitTilNextYear said, they can plug in Reimold and guys like L.J Hoes and Xavier Avery into the OF. I think you're undervaluing Halladay and overvaluing Markakis

[AC]

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Halladay's still a quality #2/3 which is really the best Markakis is gonna get you. Baltimore's pitching sucks and Philly's OF sucks. It's pretty fair both ways- wait.

Did I just endorse Halladay to Baltimore? Oh God, my fellow Blue Jays fans, I'm SO sorry

[nowitsourtime]

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Halladay's still a quality #2/3 which is really the best Markakis is gonna get you. Baltimore's pitching sucks and Philly's OF sucks. It's pretty fair both ways- wait.

Did I just endorse Halladay to Baltimore? Oh God, my fellow Blue Jays fans, I'm SO sorry

In Baltimore's rotation, he's probably their #1. I still think Baltimore should throw in a guy like Matusz along with Markakis for Halladay and call it a deal

[AC]

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In Baltimore's rotation, he's probably their #1. I still think Baltimore should throw in a guy like Matusz along with Markakis for Halladay and call it a deal

Meh, he'd be more of a throw in imo

[nowitsourtime]

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Meh, he'd be more of a throw in imo

They need something more than Markakis... Perhaps a mid B prospect?

[AC]

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They need something more than Markakis... Perhaps a mid B prospect?

Tillman or Arrieta?

[andrewochs615]

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As an Oriole fan I am going to clear things up.

1. No the Orioles would not trade Marakakis for Halladay, especailly at this point in Halladays career. Yes, Markakis is their best overall hitter, he is not a power guy but a big OBP guy. Last year he was on pace for a career year, including homeruns, but was injured largely to the part of CC Fatbathia.

2. Tillman would no well in hell be part of that.

3. Johan Santana for Avery and Arrieta would probably fly, but in real life the Orioles probably would not do that because they like Arrieta's and Avery upside and they are trying to keep the young guys, even though Jake is 27. As a fan though I would have no problem if they traded Avery and Arrieta for Santana, mainly because I see Arrieta as a lost cause at this point haha.

[nowitsourtime]

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If you really think so... Just purely looking from a numbers standpoint I really don't see why they wouldn't do that. Markakis hasn't put up a 3+ WAR season since 2008 while last year was Halladay's first season under 3 WAR since 2000 (I understand that WAR is not the end all be all, I find that very interesting).

I just think his groundball style would benefit the Orioles in homer friendly parks like Yankee Stadium, Rodgers Centre and Camden Yards.

But I don't watch too much Orioles baseball so if Markakis truly a key cog of that team to the point where they wouldn't trade for Doc, I guess we have to structure the deal around something else

[AC]

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If the Orioles wouldn't trade Markakis and Tillman for Halladay then their management is just as bad as I thought