2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[patrickryan39]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I need some help. I looking to trade Roy Halladay. He is getting a little worse and obv older and would like some younger guys, mainly out fielders but his contract is so big it's hard to make an even trade money wise. Any ideas?

[BBallcoach]

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where is a good source for finding prospects by team? I really want to dive into my OSFM franchise by researching prospects in a Johan Santana deal to throw out some proposals so when i start I'm ready to go.

[Bronx Bomber03]

You can look up the top 100 prospects in baseball on mlb.com and you can look at to top15 per team. I also try to follow minor league baseball to keep me up to speed.

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[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I need some help. I looking to trade Roy Halladay. He is getting a little worse and obv older and would like some younger guys, mainly out fielders but his contract is so big it's hard to make an even trade money wise. Any ideas?

There's a spreadsheet linked in the first post that could help you think of a trade.

[BBallcoach]

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You can look up the top 100 prospects in baseball on mlb.com and you can look at to top15 per team. I also try to follow minor league baseball to keep me up to speed.

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yeah I look at the top 100 prospects but with looking at the value spread sheet. Ive settled on getting a B prospect and low C and those certainly won't wont be top 100. As a sox fan I know about soxprospects.com but there aren't too many team sites like that around (there's a business opportunity out there!)

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I need some help. I looking to trade Roy Halladay. He is getting a little worse and obv older and would like some younger guys, mainly out fielders but his contract is so big it's hard to make an even trade money wise. Any ideas?

Well, can you be more specific? Are you looking for an OFer currently in MLB but on the youngish side..someone to play right away? Or are you looking for someone who might get a call-up this year or next...a prospect? A power bat or a speedster?

Not knowing exactly what you need, I'd assume you're talking about a MLB-ready corner OF with some power. If that's the case, you might look into a deal with Texas for Nelson Cruz if you can wait until Cruz's suspension is up. Also, the White Sox might do something that wild and give up Dayan Viciedo. The Royals are hungry for pitching and could part with Alex Gordon. The Orioles might be willing to give you Nick Markakis and a starter like Brian Matusz also.

If you're more into speedy/defense guys, Craig Gentry in Texas would also be feasible. For OF prospects, the Red Sox, White Sox, or Brewers might be a good place to start looking.

In general, even though Halladay's in a contract year and his option for 2014 is unlikely to vest, his $20M salary would rule out any small market teams unless you match salary. Also, an intra-division trade is highly unlikely.

Good luck!

[nowitsourtime]

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I need some help. I looking to trade Roy Halladay. He is getting a little worse and obv older and would like some younger guys, mainly out fielders but his contract is so big it's hard to make an even trade money wise. Any ideas?

Yankees and Angels are the first two teams that come to mind as suitors for Halladay.

For the Yankees you could center a deal around Mason Williams and somebody like Brett Gardner if you're only looking for outfielders

As for the Angels, you can gun for somebody like Bourjos or Trumbo if the deal is right.

Wait until you're deeper into your season to get a better idea of who can use the services of Halladay for a playoff run

[BBallcoach]

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Well, can you be more specific? Are you looking for an OFer currently in MLB but on the youngish side..someone to play right away? Or are you looking for someone who might get a call-up this year or next...a prospect? A power bat or a speedster?

Not knowing exactly what you need, I'd assume you're talking about a MLB-ready corner OF with some power. If that's the case, you might look into a deal with Texas for Nelson Cruz if you can wait until Cruz's suspension is up. Also, the White Sox might do something that wild and give up Dayan Viciedo. The Royals are hungry for pitching and could part with Alex Gordon. The Orioles might be willing to give you Nick Markakis and a starter like Brian Matusz also.

If you're more into speedy/defense guys, Craig Gentry in Texas would also be feasible. For OF prospects, the Red Sox, White Sox, or Brewers might be a good place to start looking.

In general, even though Halladay's in a contract year and his option for 2014 is unlikely to vest, his $20M salary would rule out any small market teams unless you match salary. Also, an intra-division trade is highly unlikely.

Good luck!

I don't think the O's would trade Markakis for Halladay. He's their power in that lineup. I think that would cripple them offensively.

[nowitsourtime]

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I don't think the O's would trade Markakis for Halladay. He's their power in that lineup. I think that would cripple them offensively.

Yes they would. I would trade Nick Markakis for a #1 pitcher in a heartbeat

[WaitTilNextYear]

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yeah I look at the top 100 prospects but with looking at the value spread sheet. Ive settled on getting a B prospect and low C and those certainly won't wont be top 100. As a sox fan I know about soxprospects.com but there aren't too many team sites like that around (there's a business opportunity out there!)

Each mlb team also has their own top 20 on mlb.com. So, given that's 30 teams and 20 prospects deep, that's more like a top-600, it just takes a bit more work to sort through it team by team. But if you know who you want to trade, you could probably narrow down to a half-dozen realistic trade partners before you look. You'd be looking at the back half of each squad's top 20 for B prospects, though deep systems will still have some A-/B+ guys 10-20.

Other resources you can use to look at specific players are the minor league rosters on their parent team's mlb.com website. If you go to, say, RedSox.com and then hover over -->rosters; and click on -->minor league affiliates, you can look at all levels of their minors system, and it's the same for every team. It's a bit tricky at this time of the year, because some of the minor leaguers are actually in big league camp for ST and won't be re-added to their affiliate's rosters until teams cut back down to a 25-man roster for opening day. But these roster lists are especially valuable to find guys not in the top 20 on their team. And, after you find a name you like, in absence of scouting reports or seeing players in person, you can also check out: www.baseball-reference.com/minors which is a great source for stats and other things like age/contract status/repeated levels etc...

There are several excellent prospect-centered websites, such as Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, as well as mlb.com. A lot of the BA and BP stuff you need a subscription for, but there is free content as well such as chats with prospect "gurus." ESPN.com is also in the prospect game but not as reliably, and you'll need an insider account for anything prospect related there. IMO, Keith Law (the ESPN.com prospect guy) isn't terrible, but the other sites do a better job (Keith's a bit too egotistical for my tastes, which can color his rankings, and the other sites are much less focused on being right or sounding right all the time). It's a preference thing mainly.

Happy prospect hunting!!

[iRepIndiana]

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Yes they would. I would trade Nick Markakis for a #1 pitcher in a heartbeat

Depends who else they have to give up but I think they'd do it in a heartbeat.

[BBallcoach]

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Yes they would. I would trade Nick Markakis for a #1 pitcher in a heartbeat

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't trade one of their best hitters in his prime for a 35 year old pitcher coming off his worst season in 10 years. There is no way they trade Markakis for Halladay. It would make the team worse.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I'm pretty sure they wouldn't trade one of their best hitters in his prime for a 35 year old pitcher coming off his worst season in 10 years. There is no way they trade Markakis for Halladay. It would make the team worse.

While I do think it's a open question about whether Halladay's contract and age would come into play (and even moreso his ineffective pitching last year ...at least ineffective compared to his usual studly pitching), you are seriously overrating Nick Markakis if you think he's Baltimore's best hitter! Adam Jones would like to have a word with you

Markakis is a fine player, but not in the top echelon at his position--not close. Over the past 3 years on average, BAL has gotten from Markakis a .290 hitter with 13 HRs and 62 RBI, with an OPS just south of .800 and almost no speed. That's a fine player if he's the 3rd best hitter in your OF on a contender. He's also 29, not exactly a prospect.

Halladay on the other hand can be a HUGE asset for BAL in a postseason series. Imagine if they could trot out Halladay/Hammel/Bundy/Tillman in a playoff series? Certainly better than what they currently have.

And, the Orioles already have Nolan Reimold who might be better than Marakakis anyway. They also have a couple of young prospects nearly ready in L.J. Hoes and Xavier Avery.

So, I think Baltimore would absolutely listen if PHI called about Halladay for Markakis.

[BBallcoach]

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While I do think it's a open question about whether Halladay's contract and age would come into play (and even moreso his ineffective pitching last year ...at least ineffective compared to his usual studly pitching), you are seriously overrating Nick Markakis if you think he's Baltimore's best hitter! Adam Jones would like to have a word with you

Markakis is a fine player, but not in the top echelon at his position--not close. Over the past 3 years on average, BAL has gotten from Markakis a .290 hitter with 13 HRs and 62 RBI, with an OPS just south of .800 and almost no speed. That's a fine player if he's the 3rd best hitter in your OF on a contender. He's also 29, not exactly a prospect.

Halladay on the other hand can be a HUGE asset for BAL in a postseason series. Imagine if they could trot out Halladay/Hammel/Bundy/Tillman in a playoff series? Certainly better than what they currently have.

And, the Orioles already have Nolan Reimold who might be better than Marakakis anyway. They also have a couple of young prospects nearly ready in L.J. Hoes and Xavier Avery.

So, I think Baltimore would absolutely listen if PHI called about Halladay for Markakis.

Never said he was their best hitter, i said he was one of their power bats (even at 20 hr a year lol) I think they would listen, but I don't think it's a heartbeat trade. I like markakis, he's a good hitter, decent glove.

Speaking of the O's...

I was combing through their roster and prospects for my Johan Santana trade.

Mets: Send Johan Santana

O's: Send Jake Arrieta and Xavier Avery (OSFM guys had him as a C+ potential but in game he's a B)

Would the O's take a flyer on Santana for a year with that or is that too much?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Never said he was their best hitter, i said he was one of their power bats (even at 20 hr a year lol) I think they would listen, but I don't think it's a heartbeat trade. I like markakis, he's a good hitter, decent glove.

Speaking of the O's...

I was combing through their roster and prospects for my Johan Santana trade.

Mets: Send Johan Santana

O's: Send Jake Arrieta and Xavier Avery (OSFM guys had him as a C+ potential but in game he's a B)

Would the O's take a flyer on Santana for a year with that or is that too much?

20 HR is a stretch for Markakis--he's been closer to 10 lately!

As for your quest to deal Johan Santana, I think BAL says no to that mainly because Johan's under contract for only this year (at $25M !!!), with a team option for next year and a $5.5M buyout. So, what this means is BAL would be getting him for only one season. HOWEVER, the main problem, even more than the money, is Santana will be on the DL to start the season after off-season shoulder surgery. So, if you do this, BAL could be paying $30M for only part of one season of Johan Santana, and there's no way that happens.

Even though Arrieta and Avery would be a reasonable return for a healthy Johan Santana, I'd think the only realistic thing to do here would be to wait 'til Santana comes back (or nearly so) and keep your fingers crossed that BAL is in the hunt. Then it would make a lot of sense.

For a ST trade to someone else, you'd have to trade him to a team with no payroll conscience like NYY or LAD really (possibly the Angels who need a starter and have $$$). And even then, NYY has "austerity" measures in place and the Dodgers are trying to trade a starter, not get another one.

Good Luck!