Favre4vr's HOF slider tweaks

[cowboype2000]

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The game plays very well with throwing speed at 4, and, again, my only concern is the catcher's ability to throw out base stealers. I know for a fact that throwing speed at 6 gives catchers enough arm strength. I tried throwing speed at 3 and it seemed that catchers just didn't have enough arm strength. So, throwing speed should be set somewhere between 4 & 6.

I lowered power to 10 and HR numbers are good. I was worried that players that have mid-range power wouldn't be able to pound out any HRs, but I've hit a HR with Matt Murton in each of my last 2 games (one of the HRs made it deep into the stands, so the mid-range power guys can definitely hit them).

[mrpotatohead5]

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well finally got started on my cubs franchise and using these sliders with the only adjustment is that i have pitch speed at 9, it helps me lower strike outs and increase walks

i have one game played and for the first time with these sliders i actually hit a home run (TWO) a few doubles and had a realistic semi blowout at an 8-2 win over cincy at cincy, they got the two on home runs on a splitter out of the zone low and away and on a slider well off the plate outside ,besides that i've pitched well and besides my 11 K's (hitting) and one K pitching i'm happy, only complaint is the CPU will cover soo freaking much ground in the outfield and make rediculous catches its frustrating but it feels good to finally win by more than one or two or be on the wrong side of a blowout

[highheatkingsb]

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A few slider changes I think need to be made:

1) Throw Speed needs to be at least as low as 6 (-4). Yes, you will hit too many triples and give up too many triples but that’s not because of the low arm strength, it’s because of the high bounce of the ball. When you hit those low liners in the gap, the game plays fine, but when you hit those fly ball type gappers, you get the triples because of the ball’s hang time in the air, not because of the low Throw Speed. I have Throw Speed at 5 right now, and I’m going to play my next game with it set at 4. The game plays well in the infield and along with runners being able to take the extra base. With Throw Speed at 5, I’m still seeing double plays a bit too frequently, and runners aren’t able to go 1st to 3rd quite enough.

2) I’m just seeing to many HRs (especially from the CPU---I want to see the CPU hit more doubles and less HRs) with Power at 12 (+2). 11 would probably the highest setting I would use. Right now, I using 10 (default) and it feels good so far, I really don’t see going lower than 9. I’ll even say you might want to have CPU power one notch lower than User power.



Minor update: lowering pitch speed back to 10 from 14 has been the best decision I’ve made (for both User and CPU---User pitch speed at 10 allows the CPU to spray the ball around the field better also). I find it’s a lot harder to make solid contact and I’m getting a realistic number hits per game. I’m also able to occasionally explode for 7+ runs a game with like 15 hits. I’m no longer getting 15 hits and scoring 5 runs like I did with pitch speed at 14. And, because of the lower pitch speed, I’m spraying the ball around the field much better---no longer getting most of my hits to center. Lastly, I’m drawing more walks because of the lower pitch speed and striking out less (I was striking out too much before), at times during a game I actually sometimes have more runs than hits, this game just plays so well with a few tweaks.

This is definately the way to go, you don't see any of those BS homeruns by the CPU anymore, they seem like they come at more legit times. It's definately a difference lowering power from 12 to 10.

And lowering the arm strength to 6 seems more realistic as well.

[Gary Armida]

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The game plays very well with throwing speed at 4, and, again, my only concern is the catcher's ability to throw out base stealers. I know for a fact that throwing speed at 6 gives catchers enough arm strength. I tried throwing speed at 3 and it seemed that catchers just didn't have enough arm strength. So, throwing speed should be set somewhere between 4 & 6.

I lowered power to 10 and HR numbers are good. I was worried that players that have mid-range power wouldn't be able to pound out any HRs, but I've hit a HR with Matt Murton in each of my last 2 games (one of the HRs made it deep into the stands, so the mid-range power guys can definitely hit them).

Hey man, just a quick update--I erased my franchise by accident so I have started over. I am currently playing with power at default for each side and it seems fine. I actually think that it really doesn't make a difference. The throwing is interesting. I thought it was good at 4 but then Giambi beats out a groundball to short (Orlando Cabrera). So...I will test more to see, but I have a feeling I will leave throwing where I had it. Power could go either way. It's hard to judge with the Yankees hitters. The power for the the CPU seems ok. I do want to give up homers on bad pitches. 12 was good, but I am testing. Keep me posted on your results.

[cowboype2000]

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Hey man, just a quick update--I erased my franchise by accident so I have started over. I am currently playing with power at default for each side and it seems fine. I actually think that it really doesn't make a difference. The throwing is interesting. I thought it was good at 4 but then Giambi beats out a groundball to short (Orlando Cabrera). So...I will test more to see, but I have a feeling I will leave throwing where I had it. Power could go either way. It's hard to judge with the Yankees hitters. The power for the the CPU seems ok. I do want to give up homers on bad pitches. 12 was good, but I am testing. Keep me posted on your results.

Yes, that will happen occassionally when a ball is hit deep in the hole and the shortstop double pumps, and a runner will also be occassionally thrown out when he shouldn't have been. It's an animation thing and a give and take thing (it does boil down to personal preference). I feel throwing strength at 4 evens out the the infielders animations (still working on whether catchers arm strenght is too low at 4 but 6 works fine). What do I mean by evening out the animations? Some animations occur too quickly (like the 2B going up the middle, quickly throwing, and throwing the runner out a first too easy because he get too much on the ball) and too slowly (like the previously mention SS double pump). With throwing strength at 4, it evens out the infield game. If you set the throwing strength to where runners will get thrown out when the animation is too slow, then runners have no chance at beating out the times when infielders perform the quicker animations. It just allows the fast runners (like Pierre) to beat out grounders at a more realistic pace. Also, double plays will occur more realistically. Throwing strength at 6 also works fine.

[imapotato]

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The CPU doesn't steal quite enough but it's not that bad because, you have to remember, right now in baseball there really aren't many players that steal regularly. I have my CPU aggression at 11 (+1) and it's pretty much perfect. I started out at 15, and every time the CPU made a stupid decision running the bases, I lowered CPU aggression by 1. And, so far at 11, I've yet to see the CPU make a really dumb decision. The CPU does steal on me when they have a good base stealer at first.

But stupid baserunning is vital to baseball...you need bonehead mistakes on the basepaths

[cowboype2000]

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But stupid baserunning is vital to baseball...you need bonehead mistakes on the basepaths

With CPU aggression at 11, I just threw out a runner who made a mistake. My leftfielder bobbled the ball and he tried for second but was out by a mile. With CPU aggression at 12, I've literally thrown out CPU runners making bad mistakes 2 or 3 times a game.



Throwing strength at 4 is too low for the catchers. I've trying out 5 now. There should be no problems with throwing strength at 6 because I played at least 20 games with that setting without any problems.

[slthree]

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which post number is the latest update?

[ChiCubs]

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hey....gettin ready to check out these HOF sliders....question though: using METER for pitching or CLASSIC??

[cowboype2000]

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hey....gettin ready to check out these HOF sliders....question though: using METER for pitching or CLASSIC??

I'm using the meter and I am walking about 2 hitters per game. I'm pitching from the outfield cam, and for some reason, I feel it's quite a bit harder to throw strikes on the corner from the outfield cam.

[highheatkingsb]

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hey....gettin ready to check out these HOF sliders....question though: using METER for pitching or CLASSIC??

Meter, and you won't be disappointed. The only changes I suggest is lowering the arm strength to 6 and CPU power to default(10).

[highheatkingsb]

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Hey cowboy, since moving CPU power back to default, how many homers have you given up to the CPU?

[cowboype2000]

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Hey cowboy, since moving CPU power back to default, how many homers have you given up to the CPU?

I've giving up a nice amount, Pujols and John Rodriguez each hit HRs off me in my last game.

[Gary Armida]

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Alright boys...I came up with a few tweaks b/c I have recently become enchanted with classic pitching. I was getting great results with the meter, but classic is something new for me now. I still stand by my other set so I will post them below these new tweaks as "Meter" version. Thanks to Cowboype2000 and Highheatkingsb for their input.

CLASSIC PITCHING HOF SLIDER TWEAKS *As of April 15, 2006

Level--HOF
CLassic Pitching
Batter view--Wide
Pitcher view--outfield
Fielding view--Low (My preference)
All pitching aids off
Everything set to manual (baserunning, fielding)
Pitch Speed- Default to +4 whatever you are comfortable with.
Contact-- -5 for me, -2 for the CPU (Default is 10)
Power--Default for both (Cowboy really convinced me of this plus with the classic pitching, you'll give up a fair share)

Arm Stregnth--Default for both. This is personal preference. A lot of guys like -4 or -6. It's fine, but sometimes I feel too many slow roller hits.

Arm Accuracy-- -4 for both (Greatly helps with errors)
Error frequency-- +3 for me and +5 for the CPU (The CPU needs some "help" with errors)
CPU baserunning aggression-- +5
Pitch count--Max
Strike Zone--Wide


That does it for now. I am getting good results with these. Hopefully they help someone.





METER HOF SLIDER TWEAKS (FINAL)

Settings
Level--HOF
Batting View--WIDE (This was a recent change. I helps cut down on some hits for me)
Pitching View--Outfield
Fielding level--Low (A preference. I like being closer to the action)
Pitching aids--All off (Strike zone, h/c zone, cursor)
Baserunning--All manual.

Sliders (all clicks from default)
Pit count- Max
Contact-- -5 for me, default for the CPU
Power-- +2 for both
Pitch speed-- Default to +4. Whatever you comfort level is.
Baserunning aggressive-- +5
Throw Speed--Default (although -2 for both works ok)
Thow Accuracy-- -4 for both
Errors-- +3 for me and +5 for the CPU (The CPU needs some "help" with errors)
Strike Zone--Wide

[cowboype2000]

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Ok, this is going to sound very extreme; I lowered Arm Strength to 0 and Arm Accuracy to 2 and the game is playing very well (you’re not going to see a ridiculous amount of IF singles because throws in the IF are pretty short, major changes are seen with throws from the outfield). Even with Arm Strength at 4, runners were not able to go 1st to 3rd/2nd to home nearly enough; however, I was able to steal 2nd too easily. So what I’m doing now is taking a 1 step leadoff (instead of a 2 step leadoff) and then stealing, and the stealing game seems about right. Now, on my end, I will just increase my catcher’s arm strength if the CPU can steal too easily. And, I lowered CPU aggression to 10 (I may have to lower it more) because with the lowered Arm Strength, the runners ran the bases looking confused and indecisive (apparently, you need a different CPU aggression setting for different Arm Strength settings). I don’t expect favre4vr to use these settings for his slider settings, but I was just getting sick and tired of runners not being able to score from 2nd.

favre4vr,

I was using CPU contact at 5 (I was just keeping user and CPU contact the same) and the CPU just wasn’t hitting enough, and I upped their contact after looking over your updated sliders and they are now getting more hits. I didn’t think it was a contact issue because the CPU was hitting the ball hard quite often but right at my players. It seemed like the average hitters really were not able to hit doubles and now they are. For some reason, I just thought that you had User and CPU contact the same.