CPU vs CPU

[DaiYoung]

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anyone keeping an eye on double-plays per game? In all the games ive seen each team has like 3 per game, and thats too high

Will check that out for you when my next game finishes. I haven't been recording DP's but I can get the numbers from the stats pages in my franchise.

EDIT:

Yes seems there are a few too many. 1.98 per game in my franchise as compared to 1.53 per game in the bigs last year. Nomo17k found that the GB/FB balance was a little off in The Show 11 (too many GB) so that probably explains the discrepancy. Incidentally, Derrek Lee of the Orioles has already ground into eight DP's in my season and it is only April 15th.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Your stats look right in line with the results I'd expect given my slider experimentation tgreer. I think Power at 4 and Solid Hits at 4 is going to provide the closest approximation to MLB hitting numbers. I'm finding Power at 4/Solid Hits at 5 just a little too much.

If you were to lower Pitcher Consistency you would see more walks but also more wild pitches. I guess it just depends on how annoying you find wild pitches whether that is something you feel like doing. From my testing I don't believe lowering Pitcher Consistency has any tangible effect on hitting stats.

Here's an update on my trials through 33 contests. Quite a bit more offense in the 15 games since I last posted:

Averages are per team per game (2010 MLB in brackets)

AB 34.36 (34.02)
R 4.55 (4.38)
H 9.08 (8.76)

BB 3.20 (3.25)
K 7.14 (7.06)

2B 1.77 (1.75)
3B 0.20 (0.18)
HR 1.11 (0.95)

E 0.44 (0.62) 11 fielding errors, 18 throwing errors

SB 0.53 (0.61)
CS 0.18 (0.23)

WP 0.91 (0.34)
HBP 0.17 (0.32)

Nice! I say, if the trend continues, raise steal frequency a click, lower the success a click, and raise one or both of the errors a click and call it a day.

Then, maybe Knight would be so kind to provide us with a catcher re-rating formula...and you're done done done!!!

Great job! Are these the ones posted a page or two back?

Seriously, well done man! I may roll with these for my MOM games!

[DaiYoung]

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Nice! I say, if the trend continues, raise steal frequency a click, lower the success a click, and raise one or both of the errors a click and call it a day.

Then, maybe Knight would be so kind to provide us with a catcher re-rating formula...and you're done done done!!!

Great job! Are these the ones posted a page or two back?

Seriously, well done man! I may roll with these for my MOM games!

Yep these stats are using the Power at 4, SH at 5, PC at 1 sliders I posted a couple of days ago.

The WP are troubling me. When watching a game and men get on base I'm almost waiting for the WP. There's been at least two walk off wild pitches so far. Takes away from the realism somewhat. I was thinking of upping every catcher to 100 blocking just to see how much difference that would make.

[Jukeman]

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I love this mode

[Heroesandvillains]

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I think I'm getting a decent feel for where the sliders should be at now. Try these:

Everything default (5) except:

CPU Power 4
CPU Pitcher Consistency 1
Fielding Errors 6
Baserunner Steal Freq 8
Wind 0

CPU Power is the tricky one because it is very sensitive. 3 probably isn't quite enough, 4 may be too much. Also, you will see too many WP with these sliders. That is probably something we will have to live with or edit catchers to solve.

These??? Verbatim???

[DaiYoung]

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These??? Verbatim???

That's the ones. As you observed, fielding errors should probably go up a tick or two. I also think solid hits at 4 might be slightly better, I don't think the solid hit slider is as sensitive as the Power slider so lowering it by one won't kill the offense.

Having said that I'm going to run a 75 game test (in honour of Nomo17k) with my current set, just to get a clearer picture.

[tgreer]

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Your stats look right in line with the results I'd expect given my slider experimentation tgreer. I think Power at 4 and Solid Hits at 4 is going to provide the closest approximation to MLB hitting numbers. I'm finding Power at 4/Solid Hits at 5 just a little too much.

If you were to lower Pitcher Consistency you would see more walks but also more wild pitches. I guess it just depends on how annoying you find wild pitches whether that is something you feel like doing. From my testing I don't believe lowering Pitcher Consistency has any tangible effect on hitting stats.

Here's an update on my trials through 33 contests. Quite a bit more offense in the 15 games since I last posted:

Averages are per team per game (2010 MLB in brackets)

AB 34.36 (34.02)
R 4.55 (4.38)
H 9.08 (8.76)

BB 3.20 (3.25)
K 7.14 (7.06)

2B 1.77 (1.75)
3B 0.20 (0.18)
HR 1.11 (0.95)

E 0.44 (0.62) 11 fielding errors, 18 throwing errors

SB 0.53 (0.61)
CS 0.18 (0.23)

WP 0.91 (0.34)
HBP 0.17 (0.32)

Looks great Daiyoung! Yes I noticed when using your exact sliders your walks were far and away the best i've seen. My problem was what you just said...I got so annoyed "sweating" the wild pitch when someone was on base. Seemed to happen at important spots in the game too. I am annoyed my BB are not exactly where I want them but for me I think I can handle that better then the more frequent WP. That is just my personal preference though. For some reason my steal success rate seems off..Through 19 games they are 26-30 attempts. Any suggestions there? Or will it even out some? I am using 7 for Steal Freq.

One more thing, about the wind...I am liking where the power numbers are with no wind so I am contemplating leaving it at 0 when I start my real franchise. What do you think? Appreciate it!

[DaiYoung]

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Looks great Daiyoung! Yes I noticed when using your exact sliders your walks were far and away the best i've seen. My problem was what you just said...I got so annoyed "sweating" the wild pitch when someone was on base. Seemed to happen at important spots in the game too. I am annoyed my BB are not exactly where I want them but for me I think I can handle that better then the more frequent WP. That is just my personal preference though. For some reason my steal success rate seems off..Through 19 games they are 26-30 attempts. Any suggestions there? Or will it even out some? I am using 7 for Steal Freq.

One more thing, about the wind...I am liking where the powers numbersare with no wind so I am contemplating leaving it at 0 when I start my real franchise. What do you think? Appreciate it!

Steal success rate might have to come down a notch, although the overall numbers in my franchise aren't far off (75% success rate compared to 72% in MLB last season).

I'm staying at wind zero for now but I might go to wind 1 or 2 when I'm done testing, just for a bit of variety. The wind slider works really well, the winds at 1 or 2 will never be very strong.

[tgreer]

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Steal success rate might have to come down a notch, although the overall numbers in my franchise aren't far off (75% success rate compared to 72% in MLB last season).

I'm staying at wind zero for now but I might go to wind 1 or 2 when I'm done testing, just for a bit of variety. The wind slider works really well, the winds at 1 or 2 will never be very strong.

Good to know you are having realistic success rate with your SB. You do have success rate at default right? If so, I'll leave mine alone as well and they should even out some for me.

Thought the exact thing with the wind..put it on 1 so each game will feel a "little" different. My only concern was if it was a sensitive slider I did not want to mess with it since I have not tinkered with it at all except on 0. Figured you had tested it out since you don't sleep

[nomo17k]

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The stats look great so far DaiYoung. WP is a concern, but if this is the only way to get sufficient BB, maybe we have to live with it. The other concern is I'm not sure how erratic the pitcher becomes when I face CPU as a hitter. I haven't done that much so I'm not sure, but I don't necessarily like it when it's too easy to distinguish balls and strikes. Will have to see when I start RTTS...

HOWEVER, I may have a good (or bad depending on how you see it) news.

I think the pitcher strike frequency slider does have a very significant effect on BB and strike %, and I'm hopeful that this slider may the only one we need to use for adjusting BB without affecting WP/HBP and other stats substantially. Of course I've only done a couple games so far, but it's quite striking the amount of BB I'm seeing so far with the strike frequency set to zero (obviously to see the exaggerated effect).

I'll keep going and see if the trend continues. If you are concerned about having consistency too low, we now have another way I think. You might want to try it for yourself too.

[DaiYoung]

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The stats look great so far DaiYoung. WP is a concern, but if this is the only way to get sufficient BB, maybe we have to live with it. The other concern is I'm not sure how erratic the pitcher becomes when I face CPU as a hitter. I haven't done that much so I'm not sure, but I don't necessarily like it when it's too easy to distinguish balls and strikes. Will have to see when I start RTTS...

HOWEVER, I may have a good (or bad depending on how you see it) news.

I think the pitcher strike frequency slider does have a very significant effect on BB and strike %, and I'm hopeful that this slider may the only one we need to use for adjusting BB without affecting WP/HBP and other stats substantially. Of course I've only done a couple games so far, but it's quite striking the amount of BB I'm seeing so far with the strike frequency set to zero (obviously to see the exaggerated effect).

I'll keep going and see if the trend continues. If you are concerned about having consistency too low, we now have another way I think. You might want to try it for yourself too.

Oh that would definitely be good news. Increasing walks without raising the already inflated WP numbers would be great. I've not tried editing the catchers yet but my gut feeling is that even if I turn every catcher into Yadier Molina it won't make all that much difference to WP with Pitcher Consistency so low.

[capa]

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I've looked but can't seem to find a working set you guys are using. Is it possible to post the cpu vs cpu slider set and then edit that post as things change?

Thanks,

C

[akw4572]

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Will these work ok in Manage mode, or would that be different than CPU vs. CPU?

[tgreer]

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Will these work ok in Manage mode, or would that be different than CPU vs. CPU?

Yes they will work in MOM mode, that is all I play after testing

Capa,
Daiyoung and Ninjoid are the two main guys throwing out the sliders. Some of us are making a couple "small" tweaks and testing certain things for us all. So to answer your question there are more then 1 set, although most are similar. Mine are posted on the last page #101 reply. I just slightly moved a couple things to test

[akw4572]

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Yes they will work in MOM mode, that is all I play after testing

Capa,
Daiyoung and Ninjoid are the two main guys throwing out the sliders. Some of us are making a couple "small" tweaks and testing certain things for us all. So to answer your question there are more then 1 set, although most are similar. Mine are posted on the last page #101 reply. I just slightly moved a couple things to test

I thought so, thanks for the reply!