HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

[Jgainsey]

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Lol! Sorry CHD.. I would tell you not to restart as well, but I know what it's like when that OCD kicks in.

Thankfully you're not anywhere near as bad off as I was when I had power at 4. I don't remember the exact number, but I was averaging something like 2.2 - 2.5 HR a game. I would have a 3-5 HR game once a series, and I was going crazy. Luckily, I changed power to 2 right after the opening day OS roster came out.. so it worked out well for me timing wise.

I do use analog hitting, and it really does seem like it has a little more pop than the other modes. So 3 might be a good fit for timing and zone hitting.

[Jgainsey]

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Now, I may then lower fielder run speed to go with this. If I go from 4 to 3, should I raise reaction from 5 to 6 for compensation? Will I see it effect the CPU at all batting average-wise (obviously, since I like how the CPU is playing, I should at least consider how changing run speed/reaction will influence them)?

I like reaction at 6, but that slider seems like it has a much more noticeable effect on the infielders, so it won't exactly compensate as much as you think. At least I didn't think it did.

I have have run speed at 2, and I think it works well with lower power. It really doesn't make THAT big of a difference, but it does help with some of the solid hits that used to be HRs. I definitely see a nice mix of doubles getting down deep in the OF.

[dowie]

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Alright, it's been a little while, but the first month of my Braves franchise is in the books, and I thought I'd share some stats with you guys. Aside from some very small tweaks, I've been using the sliders posted on the first page for the entirety of the first month.

I'll post my small slider changes in a few minutes, and that's probably going to be pretty close to a final set on my end.



Current Record: 15-13




---Offense---

Batting Average: .253

Runs: 119 (4.25/gm)

2B: 52 (1.86/gm)

3B: 7 (0.25/gm)

HR: 24 (0.86/gm)

BB: 86 (3.07/gm)

SO: 223 (7.95/gm)

SLG%: .400

OBP: .318

RISP AVG: .295


---Pitching/Defense---

ERA: 3.66

Runs: 113 (4.03/gm)

Hits: 241 (8.61/gm)

HR: 21 (0.75/gm)

BB: 88 (3.14)

SO: 209 (7.46/gm)

WHIP: 1.31

Errors: 17 (0.61/gm)


I went ahead and took some pics of the batting stats. If anyone wants to see pictures of any other stats, just ask.. and I'll post 'em.

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Everything is right about where I want it. I do want to start walking a little more, so I did move move control/consistency/strike freq. from 5/5/3 to 5/4/4 a few games ago. I'm pretty sure the subtle difference I'm noticing will be enough to provide that slight boost in walks I'm looking for. Other than that, I'm pretty damn happy with the way the game is playing for me.

Hey man, unbelievable stats....where is that "near complete" slider set that you've promised?

Thanks in advance

Dowie

[Jgainsey]

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Here they are... The first post is updated as well. 29 games into my franchise with basically this exact set.


Human Contact - 5
Human Power - 2
Human Timing - 5
Human Foul Frequency - 6
Human Solid Hits - 4
Human Starter Stamina - 6
Human Reliever Stamina - 2
Human Pitcher Control - 4
Human Pitcher Consistency - 3

CPU Contact - 4
CPU Power - 4
CPU Timing - 5
CPU Foul Frequency - 5
CPU Solid Hits - 4
CPU Starter Stamina - 6
CPU Reliever Stamina - 2
CPU Pitcher Control - 5
CPU Pitcher Consistency - 4
CPU Strike Frequency - 4
CPU Manager Hook - 6
CPU Pickoffs - 5

Pitch Speed - 5
Fielding Errors - 9
Throwing Errors - 6
Fielder Run Speed - 2
Fielder Reaction - 6
Fielder Arm Strength - 4
Baserunner Speed - 5
Baserunner Steal Ability - 5
Baserunner Steal Frequency - 8
Wind - 5
Injury Frequency - 5

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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Yea. No way I'm starting over. I am going to put HUM Power at 4 right now for my next game to see what I see.

As for the pitching sliders / CPU batting. I feel I have it so dialed in, I hope they never change how it plays!

[Jgainsey]

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Yeah, the game plays so damn good with almost all sliders at or near default.

It's a thing of beauty.

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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Thought I'd post this: (Threadjack!)

Played a game with Power at 4 (using my sliders) and noticed a difference on maybe 3 or 4 balls put into play. (May have been exaggerated by Stauffer having high confidence.) Obviously impossible to tell if it were for better or worse for me.

Specifically, these hits seemed different (all speculation, but after playing the game so damn much, you begin to really 'feel' how a ball was hit): a very well hit ball by Counsel that would most probably been a 2B (was an out), a ball hit to LF by Lucroy that may have been a 2B (hit slower, LF was able to cut it off) and was a single, and a weird ball hit as a blooper to the SS that probably would have fallen with power at 5 but wound up being caught (on that weird 2B / SS animation where they Willie May Hayes it by their face, hate that one.)

I won 3-2, 8 H, 1 2B, 0 HR, 4 BB, 4 K. (Axford tried very hard to blow his 3rd save by allowing 1 in the 9th, loading the bases, and going full to his last batter. I closed my eyes and threw the ball in the zone. Ground ball. Win.)

Independent of everything else, Braun threw out the tieing run from LF in 9th on a questionable call at the plate (he was safe)...pretty exciting.

Anyways, it def. seems like there is a solid relationship between Contact and Power, as I've surmised in years past (and maybe now moreso with the analog hitting engine) because I have no idea how I could play with Power 2! Kudos!

At any rate, I'ma let it ride on 4 for a while and see what happens and will report back.

End Threadjack.

[Jgainsey]

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Ha! Feel free to threadjack whenever you want man.

I know what you're talking about with the Power/Contact relationship. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was you who first pointed that out to me in one of your sliders threads from last year.. or maybe the year before last. Either way, it's been fairly apparent through out every iteration of The Show the last few years.

That's why I was so hesitant to mess with the power at first. I was sure that I was going to throw all sorts of stats off, but I had to try something to curb my ridiculous HR totals. I was amazed to see the power slider have such an isolated effect on my HR totals. My batting average and 2B totals didn't budge... and even better still, it didn't "feel" off.

I'm not sure what's going on under the hood with analog hitting, but there's something not quite right. Fortunately, the power slider alone appears to do the trick. I haven't played with the other hitting mechanics enough this year to get a feel for them, but they have to be significantly different.. even if it's only in the HR department.There's no way that I was that much better at only hitting HRs than everyone else. The rest of my hitting stats were perfectly average.

I scoffed at some of the HR complaints with analog when the game first came out, but there is definitely something very wrong with it at default.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Well, just to add my two cents here:

Though there is a definite correlation with how the power slider influences the ability to sneak balls past outfielders for XB, there is also a defininte correlation with how the power slider; in itself independently, directly dictates the long ball. More so, in my opinion, than any other slider (especially without drastically impacting other offensive stats).

I've been playing at power 4 (contact and control 5) and my homerun numbers are still very close to my doubles numbers. After, say 20 games, I'm maybe +5 to +7. Realistically, a Rogers Center away from 1:1. After 20 games, I'm admittedly a bit uncomfortable by it.

Granted, I'm a couple 3-4 two bag games from blowing up that ratio (which is why I'm not starting my franchise over), but at some point, something's gotta give for me one way or the other.

Too many balls are hit straight up. The ONLY ways to combat that are:

1. Less power, willing the ball off the fence (rather than over it)...

2. Some combination of a lower batter/pitcher ability.

Speaking of feel (which we seem to get after being intimate with the game) dropping power from 5 to 4 seemed to directly effect number 1.

I, personally, see no reason to to consider number 2 since my overall hitting stats are amazing (.259 average, just under 8 SO per game, shutouts/blowouts, etc).

Tonight I'm dropping power to 3. With that, I'm also dropping run speed to 3 and POSSIBLY bringing reaction speed to 6 for BA compensation.

Power from 5 to 4 held me over. 4 to 3 should (crosses fingers), based on my experience, make the homerun a legit "treat." Not an expectation.

Here's hoping, anyway...

[Jgainsey]

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Hopefully you guys can find a happy medium with power. From what I can tell so far, the power slider doesn't seem to affect doubles over a decent sample size. As long as you don't have solid hits too low, the doubles are going to be there at a realistic rate. Lowering fielder run speed helps, but not overwhelmingly so.

I'm not sold on power at 2 for analog hitting just yet. It's going to take at least another month's worth games to get a better idea. Most teams in the league are going to fall into the 0.8-1.2 HR/gm range, but you can definitely fudge that a little bit if you're playing with outliers like New York or Seattle.

I'm in the low end of the realistic window right now, but I can definitely live with that as long as I don't drop bellow the 0.75ish mark. I'm right a 0.8 right now, but I've had some of my best hitters slumping until recently(McCann, Uggla, Prado), and I really haven't played in any hitter's parks yet.

Only time will tell, but I'm pretty sure 2 or 3 will be my eventual sweet spot.

[BleacherCreature]

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An odd thought by me here, and I know I could just try it and see for myself but I would rather hear some input first, but how well do you guys think the sliders would play out simply by dropping every slider to 4 all the way across the board?
You'll still have that default feel but it might tone down some of the things that are sticking out for you guys right now.
I really like the way the CPU pitches on HOF over any other level and I really want to find a set of sliders I can use on that level.
I'm wondering if just lowering my default could do the trick?
Thoughts?

[Heroesandvillains]

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An odd thought by me here, and I know I could just try it and see for myself but I would rather hear some input first, but how well do you guys think the sliders would play out simply by dropping every slider to 4 all the way across the board?
You'll still have that default feel but it might tone down some of the things that are sticking out for you guys right now.
I really like the way the CPU pitches on HOF over any other level and I really want to find a set of sliders I can use on that level.
I'm wondering if just lowering my default could do the trick?
Thoughts?

I don't see why not.

All User hitting sliders at 4 (except possibly fouls), and CPU control/consistency/frequency at 4 would probably play pretty well. This could also include run speed and arm strength.

My only hesitation would be some of the other globals (stolen base and errors mainly), and possibly a CPU hitting slider or two (mainly SH, but even that may play out well).

It could play great Bleacher. Alot of us use 4's anyway! LOL!

Try it out and report back man.

[BleacherCreature]

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I need to try and find something that works with this game.
Just for kicks I tried a game on default HOF with the only exceptions being fielder run speed down to 2 and pitch speed at 3.
As much as I like the CPU's pitching approach on HOF I highly doubt I will be there much longer.
I just got 3 hit, and struck out 21 times against the Pirates.
Kill me now.
The most frustrating thing is, I was having trouble laying off the curveball in the dirt. Swung and missed a lot early with 2 strikes. Finally started laying off and worked the count a little. It sort of worked but anytime I was able to make contact with the curve it was hit foul.
Then I would chase again.
I lost track but I think one of the Pirate pitchers had 8 K's in a row against me. Could have been 7. At that point who the hell would care?
Not having a ton of fun with this game right now.

[Heroesandvillains]

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I need to try and find something that works with this game.
Just for kicks I tried a game on default HOF with the only exceptions being fielder run speed down to 2 and pitch speed at 3.
As much as I like the CPU's pitching approach on HOF I highly doubt I will be there much longer.
I just got 3 hit, and struck out 21 times against the Pirates.
Kill me now.
The most frustrating thing is, I was having trouble laying off the curveball in the dirt. Swung and missed a lot early with 2 strikes. Finally started laying off and worked the count a little. It sort of worked but anytime I was able to make contact with the curve it was hit foul.
Then I would chase again.
I lost track but I think one of the Pirate pitchers had 8 K's in a row against me. Could have been 7. At that point who the hell would care?
Not having a ton of fun with this game right now.

AS hitting and HOF pitching may be a better suit for you.

What exactly is wrong with Default AS hitting, with a reduced strike frequency...like DJ (OS member).

Clearly, if you struck out 21 times against Pittsburgh, you're either suffering from severe input lag or severe frustration. I'd gather, the latter.

Weren't you the guy that accidentally played on Default AS and had a blast? LOL! Address the BB issue (and maybe power issue by reducing that slider a click or two) and call it a day. Drop run speed if needed for doubles.

I've gone through this before, so I feel for you.

Last year, I ended up in Default HOF. Yes, after tweaking for months, I never had more fun than when I set em...and forget em (so to speak).

[DarwinB]

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Yea. No way I'm starting over. I am going to put HUM Power at 4 right now for my next game to see what I see.

As for the pitching sliders / CPU batting. I feel I have it so dialed in, I hope they never change how it plays!

Believe me, don's start over, er, like I have, many times. I'm just sick about it. The last time I started over with my Yankees season was because I won the first game 17-4 against the Tigers. I was on pitch speed 3 for the start of the game and after 5 innings was up 15-0 before I switched to pitch speed at 4. After playing the rest of the Tigers series I felt guilty that I had won so easy the first game so I decided to start over and begin the season with pitch speed at 4. So I erase everything and started the season. Well Sabathia gave up 3 runs in the first inning and I thought, "well I better start over because CC pitched really good the first game of the season before I started over.". So I start again. Once again CC gets pounded in the first. Start again - get through the first inning, but get pounded in the second inning. So now I think I need to adjust cpu hitting sliders - contact, power, solid hits down to 4 and timing left at 5. Start over, Give up 2 homers in the first inning. Shut my game off again. Now I'm REALLY frustrated, and kicking myself as to why I started over in the first place. Now my situation is this: I've had this game since the first day it came out and I have yet to play an official game in either my Yankees or Brewers seasons because I keep starting over. It's borderline a sickness!! I just want to start the season with a win (because I started my first season with a win) and now the Tigers are pounding the crap out of Sabathia. Why am I having so much trouble with Sabathia now?

So ya, if you are happy with the resuts - don't get sucked in to "start-over-itis" like I have. It isn't much fun.