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  • Heroesandvillains
    MVP
    • May 2009
    • 5974

    #316
    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

    Either I'm putting pressure on myself, or this year's game is coded to be harder with RISP. I'm not discounting the former, but could you all check this statistic from your franchises and post the averages here?

    I'm consistently hitting around .230...which I'm fine with but is kind of odd in itself. But, my average with RISP is literally in the low .100's. Is this just a rough patch?

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    • Jgainsey
      I can't feel it
      • Mar 2007
      • 3362

      #317
      Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

      I've always looked at avg. with RISP as sort of a fickle stat... in this game and in real life. It almost always seems to normalize after a large enough sample size, and I really wouldn't even pay much attention to it.

      I know, I know, easier said than done when you're hitting .100, and pressing a little more every at bat with guys on. But aside from the sacrifice type hits to get runs in from 3rd, just stick with the same approach, and it will more than likely even out.
      Now, more than ever

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      • coreyhartsdaughter
        MVP
        • Jul 2008
        • 1107

        #318
        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

        Originally posted by heroesandvillians
        Either I'm putting pressure on myself, or this year's game is coded to be harder with RISP. I'm not discounting the former, but could you all check this statistic from your franchises and post the averages here?

        I'm consistently hitting around .230...which I'm fine with but is kind of odd in itself. But, my average with RISP is literally in the low .100's. Is this just a rough patch?
        Do you use more contact swing with RISP? If I have 0 or 1 out I'm contact swinging unless I'm up 3-1 (and with better hitters, to a lesser degree, 2-1)

        I also almost always exclusively use contact swing with a runner on 3rd with 0 or 1 out. Striking out there is unacceptable, and all you need to do is put the ball in play (sans shallow pop up) for a RBI.

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        • Jgainsey
          I can't feel it
          • Mar 2007
          • 3362

          #319
          Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

          Btw, I'm about to go completely off the reservation with my next slider set... but something had to be done about the HRs with analog hitting.

          User hitting-wise, I've been running with a very different set for half a dozen games or so, and I think I'm headed in the right direction. I wouldn't recommend them for any hitting modes other than analog, but there is obviously something askew with the way power is implemented in that mode.

          Moving control/consistency helped for a very short period, probably because it created a new mini learning curve to master, but the HRs still came back in droves.

          Bottom line, I was approaching a 50 game sample size, with essentially the same sliders through out, and I was averaging about 2.2 HR per game. Not good...
          Now, more than ever

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          • Heroesandvillains
            MVP
            • May 2009
            • 5974

            #320
            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

            Originally posted by coreyhartsdaughter
            Do you use more contact swing with RISP? If I have 0 or 1 out I'm contact swinging unless I'm up 3-1 (and with better hitters, to a lesser degree, 2-1)

            I also almost always exclusively use contact swing with a runner on 3rd with 0 or 1 out. Striking out there is unacceptable, and all you need to do is put the ball in play (sans shallow pop up) for a RBI.
            Runner on 3rd? Yes, exclusively. It works like a charm.

            But what about having a runner on second and 0 or 1 outs? This is where I'm failing. Big time.

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            • Heroesandvillains
              MVP
              • May 2009
              • 5974

              #321
              Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

              Originally posted by Jgainsey
              Btw, I'm about to go completely off the reservation with my next slider set... but something had to be done about the HRs with analog hitting.

              User hitting-wise, I've been running with a very different set for half a dozen games or so, and I think I'm headed in the right direction. I wouldn't recommend them for any hitting modes other than analog, but there is obviously something askew with the way power is implemented in that mode.

              Moving control/consistency helped for a very short period, probably because it created a new mini learning curve to master, but the HRs still came back in droves.

              Bottom line, I was approaching a 50 game sample size, with essentially the same sliders through out, and I was averaging about 2.2 HR per game. Not good...
              Man. Is analog really worth it at this point.

              Over my last ten games, my HR and 2B numbers are perfect. Off hand, over my last 5 games, I'm 11 2B and 6 HR. For me, this issue is pretty much gone.

              But my overall average is a bit low. This I feel I can deal with though. A couple of hot games, I hope, and I'll be back in business.

              Did I say I hope?

              Anyway, Jgainsey. You should at least try Timing.

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              • coreyhartsdaughter
                MVP
                • Jul 2008
                • 1107

                #322
                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                Runner on 3rd? Yes, exclusively. It works like a charm.

                But what about having a runner on second and 0 or 1 outs? This is where I'm failing. Big time.
                Same thing. Stick with that contact swing until you get ahead in the count. If you can get the at bat to 7+ pitches with runners on, you'll begin to win battles over time. (or BB)

                Actually, I can't back this up with statistics, but I'd be willing to bet that I walk more with RISP than striking out. The CPU AI is pretty good in acknowledging they don't have to pitch to you with a RISP and a base open.

                In fact I've noticed they typically throw a lot of first pitch strikes with RISP, and then dance around waiting for the hitter to make mistakes.

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                • Heroesandvillains
                  MVP
                  • May 2009
                  • 5974

                  #323
                  Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                  Originally posted by coreyhartsdaughter
                  Same thing. Stick with that contact swing until you get ahead in the count. If you can get the at bat to 7+ pitches with runners on, you'll begin to win battles over time. (or BB)

                  Actually, I can't back this up with statistics, but I'd be willing to bet that I walk more with RISP than striking out. The CPU AI is pretty good in acknowledging they don't have to pitch to you with a RISP and a base open.

                  In fact I've noticed they typically throw a lot of first pitch strikes with RISP, and then dance around waiting for the hitter to make mistakes.
                  Thanks. I'll try this tonight.

                  Yeah, the CPU loves to get ahead with RISP. And, once I foul that off, they like to work the ball down. Usually offspeed, and usually a VERY borderline strike/ball...trying to put the inning to bed. This is where I usually try to call their bluff, and wait for a mistake. And wait. And wait...

                  If you could see my stats, you'd be stunned at my run totals. Seriously, my walk and doubles numbers are incredible...but I'm just in a place where singles come at a minimum. Texiera being hitless 6 games in could very well be causing the disruption in my run production. Gardner and Jeter are hitting well, but Tex is stranding runners at an exceptional rate. Generally leaving it up to A-Rod or Cano to do the damage with two outs.

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                  • Jgainsey
                    I can't feel it
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 3362

                    #324
                    Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                    Originally posted by heroesandvillians
                    Man. Is analog really worth it at this point.

                    Over my last ten games, my HR and 2B numbers are perfect. Off hand, over my last 5 games, I'm 11 2B and 6 HR. For me, this issue is pretty much gone.

                    But my overall average is a bit low. This I feel I can deal with though. A couple of hot games, I hope, and I'll be back in business.

                    Did I say I hope?

                    Anyway, Jgainsey. You should at least try Timing.
                    Ugh.. I dunno. I just LOVE the feel of hitting with the right stick. And it wouldn't be so frustrating if everything else wasn't just about perfect(BB, K, 2B, AVG, etc..). I'll probably give it a couple more weeks, and if I don't see sustained improvement at that by then, I'm throwing in the analog hitting towel.

                    I really just need more time to test out the low contact and power sliders I just started using recently. It's been very good so far, but I've had plenty of streaks for 5 games or so where everything looked good with the old sliders... and I know how that story ends.
                    Now, more than ever

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                    • Heroesandvillains
                      MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 5974

                      #325
                      Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                      Originally posted by Jgainsey
                      Ugh.. I dunno. I just LOVE the feel of hitting with the right stick. And it wouldn't be so frustrating if everything else wasn't just about perfect(BB, K, 2B, AVG, etc..). I'll probably give it a couple more weeks, and if I don't see sustained improvement at that by then, I'm throwing in the analog hitting towel.

                      I really just need more time to test out the low contact and power sliders I just started using recently. It's been very good so far, but I've had plenty of streaks for 5 games or so where everything looked good with the old sliders... and I know how that story ends.
                      Well, if you want to see my set and stats, let me know.

                      My brother is using the same set as me too, so you'll have plenty of sample size.

                      Have you considered Legend? Not that your tweaks can't do the trick, but maybe it's worth a shot???

                      Hopefully the patch will address all of our analog issues, anyway.

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                      • DJ
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 17756

                        #326
                        Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                        I think I'm going to have to move my hitting to HOF (use Timing) from All-Star. I'm scoring a ton of runs in my Mets Franchise, and that's with Bay on the DL. Sure it's been fun to put up 6-10 runs a game, but it's not realistic, either.
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                        • Jgainsey
                          I can't feel it
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 3362

                          #327
                          Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                          Just updated the first post with an updated slider set. If anyone else is having problems with Analog Hitting and HR totals, I'd love to see how these work for other people as well.

                          I've been seeing great numbers over my last dozen games or so.


                          Here's what I'll be running with human hitting wise. Though there are one or two other minor changes to my set on the first page as well.

                          Human Contact - 5
                          Human Power - 2
                          Human Timing - 5
                          Human Foul Freq. - 6
                          Human Solid Hits - 4
                          Now, more than ever

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                          • Heroesandvillains
                            MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 5974

                            #328
                            Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                            Originally posted by Jgainsey
                            Just updated the first post with an updated slider set. If anyone else is having problems with Analog Hitting and HR totals, I'd love to see how these work for other people as well.

                            I've been seeing great numbers over my last dozen games or so.


                            Here's what I'll be running with human hitting wise. Though there are one or two other minor changes to my set on the first page as well.

                            Human Contact - 5
                            Human Power - 2
                            Human Timing - 5
                            Human Foul Freq. - 6
                            Human Solid Hits - 4
                            I read your little write up on page one. I'm happy you didn't quit. I think any of us would take those stats over a 14 game stretch. Nicely done, Jgainsey.

                            How has 5/5/3 been playing out for you, walks-wise? Since you changed strike frequency, I don't actually recall you sharing your BB totals since then...which, is generally a good thing.

                            I've been contemplating dropping run speed another click as well. Not because my doubles aren't good, but because of that damn speed burst at the last second. It just LOOKS unrealistic to me...not necessarily PLAYS unrealistically...if that makes sense?

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                            • Jgainsey
                              I can't feel it
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 3362

                              #329
                              Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                              Walks have been good on both ends. When I first went to 5/5/3 I had a 3 or 4 game stretch where I wasn't walking much at all. But I think most of that was placebo effect. When you have walks on the brain, it makes it that much harder to draw one. Now that I've spent a good amount of time with 5/5/3, it seems like the best set up possible. The CPU isn't at any disadvantage like it is with lower consistency, and they still issue plenty of BB.

                              I just had an 8 walk game against the Nats after a couple of 1 and 2 walk games. But mostly I'm in the 3 to 5 range. I'm currently at 3.35 BB per game(and climbing), which I think is right around where I was when we were messing around with lower consistency and control.

                              I've also seen my Atlanta pitching staff come back to earth a bit, and I'm glad I stuck with human control and consistency at 4/3. My BB numbers finally made it over the 3 per game threshold, and they're not showing any signs of going back.


                              That speed burst is definitely annoying. And that was the main reason I dropped run speed another click. The effect it has on doubles is extremely minimal from what I can tell, and the faster outfielders can still get up to speed and really fly. This is one of the few sliders where I mostly just went with the 'ol eyeball test, and 3 looks pretty reasonable. Plus, it does help counter the speed burst a little bit, even though there is nothing we can do to get rid of it.

                              The outfielders need some work for next year. Hopefully they can find a way to nix the speed burst/animation kicking in.
                              Now, more than ever

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                              • Bobhead
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2011
                                • 4926

                                #330
                                Re: HOF Sliders/Statistics Disscussion

                                I've been playing around with run speed at 1, among other things, and I'm loving it so far. I've actually had to dive for a ball in the outfield, and I see more balls off the wall, as opposed to catches at the wall. That speed burst seems to be greatly reduced the lower the overall fielder speed, and at 1 I feel like I'm not even seeing it at all.

                                Granted I haven't been testing it a very long time, so my sample size is quite small (about 3 or 4 games), but I'm definitely happy with it so far.

                                Edit: I swear the defense is a lot more realistic this way. I just saw an ESPN-esque behind the back double play by the CPU. There was no suction on either end, the fielder clearly had to reach for the ball and the transition was smooth and life-like. I say this because I believe fielder speed affects body speed as well, not just run speed, ie it affects a fielder's speed in reaching for the ball. But that's just a theory so far.
                                Last edited by Bobhead; 04-20-2011, 04:07 PM.

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