Who's your nl mvp

[VTek33]

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Pujols has done more with less than Jones..

[SportsTop]

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Jones hits Home Runs and thats it .

Well, all he did was just hit another one. A three-run bomb and one of the guys was even in scoring position. Imagine that!

[dkgojackets]

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Andruw Jones has had 167 at-bats with RISP, and is hitting an incredible .236 in such situations. Meanwhile, Albert Pujols has been up to the plate just 124 times with RISP. I would sure hope that with 43 additional at-bats with men in scoring position, not to mention how many of those had guys on second AND third, one could get 8 RBIs. Albert Pujols is hitting .331 while there are RISP. I think its clear who helps the team out more when its time to drive in runs.

Some additional stats to consider

Albert Pujols has scored 30 more runs than Andruw, so he is responsible for 22 more total runs. When you dont count both the RBI and run scored from hitting a homer, since it is just one run you're responsible for, he has caused his team to score 29 additional runs. Getting on base a few times in a game and giving teammates the opportunity to drive you in is more effective than just hitting a solo homer.

Jones has 37 more strikeouts in ten less at-bats. Everyone knows that striking out is wasting the at-bat, since theres no chance for runners to move over, and if you put the ball in play the defense at least has to do something.

Pujols also has a much higher average (.337 to .271), slugging (.631 to .595), OBP (.432 to .355), and obviously a commanding OPS lead (1.063 to .950). For icing on the cake, hes also stolen 14 bags compared to Jones' three.

If anyone wishes to argue that Andruw Jones has put up better numbers than Pujols and is a better player, the please do so. If you want to pull the "well a lot of guys were injured", then take a look at who has (more so, who has not) been in the Cardinals lineup all year. Bobby Cox is the genius behind that team, and is a shoein for manager of the year, but MVP has to go to a player. If any non-Braves homer thinks Andruw Jones should get it over Pujols, I'm listening.

[SportsTop]

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If anyone wishes to argue that Andruw Jones has put up better numbers than Pujols and is a better player, the please do so. If you want to pull the "well a lot of guys were injured", then take a look at who has (more so, who has not) been in the Cardinals lineup all year. Bobby Cox is the genius behind that team, and is a shoein for manager of the year, but MVP has to go to a player. If any non-Braves homer thinks Andruw Jones should get it over Pujols, I'm listening.

Who ever said anything about Jones having better numbers? The award we are talking about is the MVP not Offensive Player of the Year.

The simple fact of the matter is, stats aside, who is more valuable to his team? I have no argument that Pujols has been the player of the year, but to say that he is more valuable (this year) to his team than Andruw Jones is to Braves is what I have a problem with.

[dkgojackets]

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Who ever said anything about Jones having better numbers?

NL RBI Leaders:

<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3><TBODY><TR class=oddrow><TD>1. Andruw Jones, Atl</TD><TD align=right width=40>114</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>2. Albert Pujols, StL</TD><TD align=right width=40>106</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>3. Miguel Cabrera, Fla</TD><TD align=right width=40>103</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>4. Carlos Lee, Mil</TD><TD align=right width=40>101</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>5. Carlos Delgado, Fla</TD><TD align=right width=40>100</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Looks like the best so far to me.

[SportsTop]

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Nice way to tie two different arguments into one. The RBI point was being used to illustrate the fact that he has driven in the most runs in the NL, not to validate my point for MVP.

Good try however.

[dkgojackets]

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everyone knows he has driven in more runs (and has over 40 more at-bats with RISP as well)...but I thought stats dont matter, so why was it necessary to post that?

[SportsTop]

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everyone knows he has driven in more runs (and has over 40 more at-bats with RISP as well)...but I thought stats dont matter, so why was it necessary to post that?

To discount the insanity posted here:

Hate to say this to you all but this is a two horse race between Lee and Puljols. Jones hits Home Runs and thats it everyone says the Braves are gonna drop off every year if someone deserves the MVP award on that team it a toss up between Bobby Cox and Leo Mazzone. Andruw Jones has hit around .270 for the year not bad considering he is a power hitter but you gotta look at the other numbers as well. Besides the fact the puljols and Lee are hitting about .70 points higher than jones their OBP is about 100 points higher. Jones is ranked 46 in the National League in OBP both Giles and Furcal have a higher OBP. Jones is also hitting less than .250 with runners in scoring position.

Again, it wasn't an argument for his being the MVP, but rather to make apoint as to how asinine that post really was.

[Bamafan3723]

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Andruw Jones. No doubt. The Cardinals play in a weak division. They would win it without Pujols. If Andruw hadn't played like he has this year the Braves wouldn't be close to the top of the N.L. East.

[BigDofBA]

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Andruw Jones. No doubt. The Cardinals play in a weak division. They would win it without Pujols. If Andruw hadn't played like he has this year the Braves wouldn't be close to the top of the N.L. East.

Pujols. The Central isn't that weak. The West is.

[SportsTop]

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Pujols. The Central isn't that weak. The West is.

I fail to see what your point is seeing as how the N.L. West has nothing to do with this conversation and the N.L. East is the toughest division in all of baseball?

[BoSoxPujols]

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Why are you laughing, he has been MORE efficient at driving in runs in LESS opprotunites than Jones............ LMAO at you for not reading properly. Try reading the next sentence right after the one you quoted and the previous post before you make a fool of yourself.

[BoSoxPujols]

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I fail to see what your point is seeing as how the N.L. West has nothing to do with this conversation and the N.L. East is the toughest division in all of baseball?

Ok, the NL east has 4 teams with in 6 games of the Wild Card Lead. The NL Central has 3 teams with in 6 games on the Wild Card lead. It can't be that much stronger......

[SportsTop]

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Ok, the NL east has 4 teams with in 6 games of the Wild Card Lead. The NL Central has 3 teams with in 6 games on the Wild Card lead. It can't be that much stronger......

N.L. East - .528 winning percentage

N.L. Central - .505 winning percentage

I'd say that is a pretty big difference.

[BGarrett7]

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Ok, the NL east has 4 teams with in 6 games of the Wild Card Lead. The NL Central has 3 teams with in 6 games on the Wild Card lead. It can't be that much stronger......

Everyone in the NL East currently has a shot at a spot in the playoffs. The same can't be said of the Central, even if you drop the odd-team out, Pittsburgh.

Here's how the W-L records of the two divisions matchup:

NL East: 378-338 (.528)

NL Central: 375-339 (.525) Without Pittsburgh

NL Central: 432-424 (.505) With Pittsburgh

Good enough for a two game lead for the NL East with an even amount of teams, and sixteen game lead when factoring in the entire division.