This year to be Bonds last.

[Scottdau]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

depends. are they using the juice like your boy?

You Giants fans are so homer blind. He's a cheater like all the rest (- McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, Palmero etc) but because he's never been proven 100% knowingly guilty you hide behind that in every argument...Could he have been a goo/great player even without the stuff? probably could have but he decided to cheat.

He's been a cheater for years and its a disgrace to the game of baseball that we have to even consider him breaking more legitimate records. All their records and totals should be wiped from baseball forever.

The only thing Bonds has going for him is the fact that Sosa is the bigger cheater being on the juice AND playing w/ corked bats. What a joke baseball has become...

I not saying he didn't cheated, but before I condemn a man as a cheater, I will make sure he cheated for sure. It has nothing to do with being a Giants fan.

[Scottdau]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

Yeah but the Barry homers (see above) will always cling to the notion he didnt willingly "know" what he was doing. Which to me is a joke in itself. A professional athlete who works his *** off, makes money based on his fitness doesnt know what hes putting in his body. That is comical...

I agree with that statement, but I can also seeing him trusting his trainer too. You never know! Especailly when that is what you pay him for.

[umd]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

I not saying he didn't cheated, but before I condemn a man as a cheater, I will make sure he cheated for sure. It has nothing to do with being a Giants fan.

So you believe he didnt know what he was using? Cause he used it... So his records are tainted... but hey "you never know". What a great defense.

[Scottdau]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

So you believe he didnt know what he was using? Cause he used it. So his records are tainted...

All I am saying is you never know. I don't know if he know or didn't. But before I start calling him quilty I just want to know for sure. So as it is now I don't have that proof, so I would say no they are not tainted. But that is just my opinion.

[poster]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

I agree with that statement, but I can also seeing him trusting his trainer too. You never know! Especailly when that is what you pay him for.

You mean the childhood friend that was a known steroid seller and user and a guy that has been in trouble with the law. Everyone else knew it but his childhood friend Barry didnt? LMAO All the while as they hooked up and worked together Bonds gains tons of muscle and starts hitting homers at a rate that isnt possible unless you are on roids like Cork and the Big Needle. WOW what a coincidence. Bonds defenders are sad. Plain and simple.

[Scottdau]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

You mean the childhood friend that was a known steroid seller and user and a guy that has been in trouble with the law. Everyone else knew it but his childhood friend Barry didnt? LMAO All the while as they hooked up and worked together Bonds gains tons of muscle and starts hitting homers at a rate that isnt possible unless you are on roids like Cork and the Big Needle. WOW what a coincidence. Bonds defenders are sad. Plain and simple.

First of all Bonds gain muscle over a long period of time. It wasn't like he woke up one morning and was ripped. Hint Normar. And I had some shaddy friends growing up, but that didn't mean i was shady. You make some great points. But if you feel you know and are sure 100%. Than call him quilty. I just can't do that. You can believe what ever you want. It is just my opinion. If he tested positive than it is an open and shut case. That is all I am saying.

[Scottdau]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

You mean the childhood friend that was a known steroid seller and user and a guy that has been in trouble with the law. Everyone else knew it but his childhood friend Barry didnt? LMAO All the while as they hooked up and worked together Bonds gains tons of muscle and starts hitting homers at a rate that isnt possible unless you are on roids like Cork and the Big Needle. WOW what a coincidence. Bonds defenders are sad. Plain and simple.

And one more thing I am not defending Bonds. I am just saying unless you are 100% it is hard to say he is quilty. Now if you know 100% than you can say it. Than I wont argue with you lol. We just see things different and to call me sad is wrong on you. I am just stating an opinion. But it is all cool. I am to old to get in a words fiight over this lol. So peace out!

[poster]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

First of all Bonds gain muscle over a long period of time. It wasn't like he woke up one morning and was ripped. Hint Normar. And I had some shaddy friends growing up, but that didn't mean i was shady. You make some great points. But if you feel you know and are sure 100%. Than call him quilty. I just can't do that. You can believe what ever you want. It is just my opinion. If he tested positive than it is an open and shut case. That is all I am saying.

He admitted under oath to the federal grand jury that he took the ****. I call that testing positive. He will never test positive under this weak *** MLB system because they dont test for HGH which he is on and has been on.

If he wasn't or isn't why doesnt he play in the WBC. He had a year off and could probably use the extra work so the I am tired excuse is BS espically if he is in such great shape. I just cannot imangine how anyone can believe this guy didnt know what he was putting in his body. He is a workout freak and he doesnt know its roids. WHAT!!! As someone who works out and has taken supplements I can do nothing but LMFAO.

Its sad too he would have been a Hall of Famer without roids. Maybe if he didnt cheat the media and other people would have started to respect and like him more considering what some of these other cheating scums like Cork, Big Needle, and Roidy Palmero have done. Na, he just joined them so he deserves all of the scorn he gets.

[poster]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

And one more thing I am not defending Bonds. I am just saying unless you are 100% it is hard to say he is quilty. Now if you know 100% than you can say it. Than I wont argue with you lol. We just see things different and to call me sad is wrong on you. I am just stating an opinion. But it is all cool. I am to old to get in a words fiight over this lol. So peace out!

I am not a kid either if thats what you are getting at. I am sorry for calling you sad, but I find it hard to believe that anyone can defend him. It's a free country though so its your opinion and you can have it. I just dont agree with it.

[Scottdau]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

I am not a kid either if thats what you are getting at. I am sorry for calling you sad, but I find it hard to believe that anyone can defend him. It's a free country though so its your opinion and you can have it. I just dont agree with it.

There is nothing wrong with that, I was just joking about the "words fight. But I wasn't calling you a kid. At least I didn't mean too if it sound that way I am sorry. Everybody has opinion that is what makes the world go around lol. I am not defending him, even though it may sound like I am. I just need to be sure 100% before I do. Right now I can't say that! But it is all cool.

[NYJets]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

Let's take the list:

- The obvious: intentional walks
- AT&T Park (don't even try and start an argument about their right field fence... you'll lose)
- Extreme defensive shifts
- Lack of fastballs in fastball counts
- Banged away, away, away with a changeup, sinker, backdoor slider.
- 41 years young and playing better than his quesitonable 2003 season with the "cream" and "clear" that he possibly knowingly took.
- The media.

You can't be serious.

He's being cheated by baseball strategies?

Bonds admitted to taking steroids. He can pretend that he did it unknowingly all he wants, but nobody is going to believe a pro athlete who works out all the time, probably takes lots of vitamins and supplements, and takes great care of their body doesn't know what they are taking.

His whole career is questionable. As far as I'm concerned, Roger Maris has the single season home run record. And whether he sticks to his word or not, Aaron is the career homerun champion.

[Scottdau]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

He admitted under oath to the federal grand jury that he took the ****. I call that testing positive. He will never test positive under this weak *** MLB system because they dont test for HGH which he is on and has been on.

If he wasn't or isn't why doesnt he play in the WBC. He had a year off and could probably use the extra work so the I am tired excuse is BS espically if he is in such great shape. I just cannot imangine how anyone can believe this guy didnt know what he was putting in his body. He is a workout freak and he doesnt know its roids. WHAT!!! As someone who works out and has taken supplements I can do nothing but LMFAO.

Its sad too he would have been a Hall of Famer without roids. Maybe if he didnt cheat the media and other people would have started to respect and like him more considering what some of these other cheating scums like Cork, Big Needle, and Roidy Palmero have done. Na, he just joined them so he deserves all of the scorn he gets.

I was trainer and all I can say is some of my clients trust me to give them things that were right. I am not saying I give them things that were illegal. I do believe Bonds would have known, but i can see too if he didn't. You start to trust to much. That is all I am saying. I see both saids.

[Stu]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

I was trainer and all I can say is some of my clients trust me to give them things that were right. I am not saying I give them things that were illegal. I do believe Bonds would have known, but i can see too if he didn't. You start to trust to much. That is all I am saying. I see both saids.

There's a huge difference though. For the money Barry is being paid, it's his job to know what's going into his body. I don't care whether or not he knew he took steroids or not. It's still his responsibility.

[BGarrett7]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

Someone needs to give him a nice reality check and tell him what Hank Aaron had to endure during his playing career.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: This year to be Bonds last.

What if someone lied to him and told him there werent any steroids in there when there were?