More Barry Bonds steroids stuff on ESPN radio right now

[Alliball]

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Say what you want but it is still wrong and teams don't like when it is done. Scuffing the ball, spitting on the ball, taking roids they are all cheating, but for the sake of an argument OK roids are the worst cheating you can do!

Dude, if teams really didn't like it they would do something about it. Payback is a bitch in the bigs if teams think you're stretching the unwritten rules.

[Scottdau]

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Dude, if teams really didn't like it they would do something about it. Payback is a bitch in the bigs if teams think you're stretching the unwritten rules.

True, I agree with that!

[Scottdau]

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I will say this being a Giants fan. It is hard not sticking up for Bonds. Just imagine your stud player doing something wrong. I bet you would have a different feeling too. lol. That is what is funny about this whole thing. It is like thinking your kid is never bad and can do no wrong! lol Oh well I just hope baseball clean up all this crap once and for all!

[Blzer]

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You know what I love? I've been listening to KNBR 680 a lot lately (Scottd will probably be aware of the things that I'm talking about), and The Razor and Mr. T (Ralph Barbiari and Tom Tolbert) keep saying how "Steroids make you better."

Okay, I'm going to already call B.S. Steroids give you an unprecedented amount of adrenaline, stamina, and rapid hormone increasage to make you a much stronger person IF acted upon. Basically, steroids aren't magic pills; you don't take them one night, and all of the sudden you're able to bench 200 lbs more than normal. You still must work at it, but now you're at the unfair advantage to do things longer (and stronger). You will gain more with less pain.


So, steroids make you stronger. Stronger isn't always better, although I can't give you too many cases as where it makes you worse, either. However, you still must be a TERRIFIC baseball player to be at all advantageous of the steroids that you're taking. Look at Jeremy Giambi, Alex Sanchez, Ryan Franklin, Jorge Piedra, Rafael Palmeiro, or anybody else that has taken advantage of steroids. I do not see them rising up like Bonds has.

Now, Bonds has been a terrific baseball player since Little League. He matched up with Albert Belle's success as a kid, and then in high school he became the best in the state by far. My buddy Ray McDonald took Bonds out of the Triple Crown ranking in high school by beating him in batting average (just saw him again today). He told me about how Bonds hit a home run once in high school at Central Park (in San Mateo, CA) 3/4 of the way up a building, which is across a two-lane, two-way street beyond a 350-foot fence in right field of the park. I've played there many-a-times before, so I know what kind of shot it is to even hit it out of there. You even have to hit it past trees to hit it over the fence there.







Think of it what you will, but this is the kind of shot that it was (photo taken from Google Earth):

















Now, this is just an estimation, but that ball would have had to go at least 450 or 460 feet. Bonds, being a senior in high school at the time, hit a pitch that would have been at most 85 MPH, with a bat that would have been at best what guys like Santiago use today, with his small 180 pound figure as a teenager. Do you guys realize how far he hit that ball? Him and Greg Anderson were just getting acquainted at the time, and he still hit the ball as far as he does today? Call me crazy, but I think that while strength is a lot of it, he already had enough to supply himself from being the best that he can be. Now, it's all about your hip turn and the contact that you make.

Believe me... steroids only make you stronger, and only allow you to hit the ball harder if you are weak. Bonds has always had the same bat speed, no doubt. I believe that, without whatever he took, he would be a better player than he is today. Does that mean more home runs? No. Does that mean less home runs? No. I'd say that it probably means more stolen bases and gold glove chances, but probably not too much different in the home run category.






Sorry about this rant. It was a nice and long way to start off my wakeup from my nap. Just wanted to get that off of my chest now.

[Scottdau]

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Here we go again! Get ready Blzer for the masses they will be coming! lol Bonds is beyond great roids or not!

[NYJets]

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You know what I love? I've been listening to KNBR 680 a lot lately (Scottd will probably be aware of the things that I'm talking about), and The Razor and Mr. T (Ralph Barbiari and Tom Tolbert) keep saying how "Steroids make you better."

Okay, I'm going to already call B.S. Steroids give you an unprecedented amount of adrenaline, stamina, and rapid hormone increasage to make you a much stronger person IF acted upon. Basically, steroids aren't magic pills; you don't take them one night, and all of the sudden you're able to bench 200 lbs more than normal. You still must work at it, but now you're at the unfair advantage to do things longer (and stronger). You will gain more with less pain.


So, steroids make you stronger. Stronger isn't always better, although I can't give you too many cases as where it makes you worse, either. However, you still must be a TERRIFIC baseball player to be at all advantageous of the steroids that you're taking. Look at Jeremy Giambi, Alex Sanchez, Ryan Franklin, Jorge Piedra, Rafael Palmeiro, or anybody else that has taken advantage of steroids. I do not see them rising up like Bonds has.

Now, Bonds has been a terrific baseball player since Little League. He matched up with Albert Belle's success as a kid, and then in high school he became the best in the state by far. My buddy Ray McDonald took Bonds out of the Triple Crown ranking in high school by beating him in batting average (just saw him again today). He told me about how Bonds hit a home run once in high school at Central Park (in San Mateo, CA) 3/4 of the way up a building, which is across a two-lane, two-way street beyond a 350-foot fence in right field of the park. I've played there many-a-times before, so I know what kind of shot it is to even hit it out of there. You even have to hit it past trees to hit it over the fence there.







Think of it what you will, but this is the kind of shot that it was (photo taken from Google Earth):

















Now, this is just an estimation, but that ball would have had to go at least 450 or 460 feet. Bonds, being a senior in high school at the time, hit a pitch that would have been at most 85 MPH, with a bat that would have been at best what guys like Santiago use today, with his small 180 pound figure as a teenager. Do you guys realize how far he hit that ball? Him and Greg Anderson were just getting acquainted at the time, and he still hit the ball as far as he does today? Call me crazy, but I think that while strength is a lot of it, he already had enough to supply himself from being the best that he can be. Now, it's all about your hip turn and the contact that you make.

Believe me... steroids only make you stronger, and only allow you to hit the ball harder if you are weak. Bonds has always had the same bat speed, no doubt. I believe that, without whatever he took, he would be a better player than he is today. Does that mean more home runs? No. Does that mean less home runs? No. I'd say that it probably means more stolen bases and gold glove chances, but probably not too much different in the home run category.






Sorry about this rant. It was a nice and long way to start off my wakeup from my nap. Just wanted to get that off of my chest now.

[USF11]

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Believe me... steroids only make you stronger, and only allow you to hit the ball harder if you are weak. Bonds has always had the same bat speed, no doubt. I believe that, without whatever he took, he would be a better player than he is today. Does that mean more home runs? No. Does that mean less home runs? No. I'd say that it probably means more stolen bases and gold glove chances, but probably not too much different in the home run category.



Sorry about this rant. It was a nice and long way to start off my wakeup from my nap. Just wanted to get that off of my chest now.

Your an idiot.

[deeman11747]

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You know what I love? I've been listening to KNBR 680 a lot lately (Scottd will probably be aware of the things that I'm talking about), and The Razor and Mr. T (Ralph Barbiari and Tom Tolbert) keep saying how "Steroids make you better."

Okay, I'm going to already call B.S. Steroids give you an unprecedented amount of adrenaline, stamina, and rapid hormone increasage to make you a much stronger person IF acted upon. Basically, steroids aren't magic pills; you don't take them one night, and all of the sudden you're able to bench 200 lbs more than normal. You still must work at it, but now you're at the unfair advantage to do things longer (and stronger). You will gain more with less pain.


So, steroids make you stronger. Stronger isn't always better, although I can't give you too many cases as where it makes you worse, either. However, you still must be a TERRIFIC baseball player to be at all advantageous of the steroids that you're taking. Look at Jeremy Giambi, Alex Sanchez, Ryan Franklin, Jorge Piedra, Rafael Palmeiro, or anybody else that has taken advantage of steroids. I do not see them rising up like Bonds has.

Now, Bonds has been a terrific baseball player since Little League. He matched up with Albert Belle's success as a kid, and then in high school he became the best in the state by far. My buddy Ray McDonald took Bonds out of the Triple Crown ranking in high school by beating him in batting average (just saw him again today). He told me about how Bonds hit a home run once in high school at Central Park (in San Mateo, CA) 3/4 of the way up a building, which is across a two-lane, two-way street beyond a 350-foot fence in right field of the park. I've played there many-a-times before, so I know what kind of shot it is to even hit it out of there. You even have to hit it past trees to hit it over the fence there.







Think of it what you will, but this is the kind of shot that it was (photo taken from Google Earth):

















Now, this is just an estimation, but that ball would have had to go at least 450 or 460 feet. Bonds, being a senior in high school at the time, hit a pitch that would have been at most 85 MPH, with a bat that would have been at best what guys like Santiago use today, with his small 180 pound figure as a teenager. Do you guys realize how far he hit that ball? Him and Greg Anderson were just getting acquainted at the time, and he still hit the ball as far as he does today? Call me crazy, but I think that while strength is a lot of it, he already had enough to supply himself from being the best that he can be. Now, it's all about your hip turn and the contact that you make.

Believe me... steroids only make you stronger, and only allow you to hit the ball harder if you are weak. Bonds has always had the same bat speed, no doubt. I believe that, without whatever he took, he would be a better player than he is today. Does that mean more home runs? No. Does that mean less home runs? No. I'd say that it probably means more stolen bases and gold glove chances, but probably not too much different in the home run category.






Sorry about this rant. It was a nice and long way to start off my wakeup from my nap. Just wanted to get that off of my chest now.

Your digging really really deep to defend someone who just happens to be on your favorite team (I wont make any judgments though).

This is the simple fact:

Do you think without steroids he wouldve been able to play as long/as frequently as he does at his old age? No... he wouldntve been. Wihtout steroids I truly believe he wouldve been gone or in steep decline about 4 years ago. Take away 180 HRs from him there.

Next... how many HRs do you think he has hit that just barely cleared the fence by 5-10 feet? I'd say about 20% of them. Now without his added strength from being able to work out more because of the roids... dont you think those balls wouldve been very deep outs? I do.

Simple fact is.. his HR totals are inflated due to him gaining an unfair advantage over other players. Yes the man is a beyond unbelievable hitter (I wont even mention how Bonds' vision improved following the steroids)... and without the steorids he wouldve been in the HOF with 575 Hrs.... but he did not earn what hes at now... at least not at the same level the other players have earned what they had.




Edit: I was too shocked at what I had actually read to even insert a but it seems to be appropriate here.


Thank you for the diagram of Bonds' high school field btw.... I think that totally justifies his steroid use now.

[Scottdau]

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Your an idiot.

Wow, An idiot for stating an opinion. Yeah real mature slick! Grow up!
This is what makes this Country great, because people can have different opinions. Regardless of who is right and wrong!

[Blzer]

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Wow, An idiot for stating an opinion. Yeah real mature slick! Grow up!
This is what makes this Country great, because people can have different opinions. Regardless of who is right and wrong!

No no, he's correct. Believe me... I'm not typing to change people's minds, but this is what I think as I post. I just think random thoughts, type them, and after I click the Post Reply button, regret posting it in every way, shape, and form. But, it's way too much information and time that I spent jumbling with the keyboard for me to delete it, either.

I just post it not caring if it gets replied to or not. I just post it, that's all. I'll defend the guy because people say that he cheated to get to where he is now. He may have cheated, but I can’t say that it helped him too much. It’s like he cheated off of the guy next to him on a test, and that guy got a B-.


Again... random talk.

[NYJets]

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It’s like he cheated off of the guy next to him on a test, and that guy got a B-.

It's more like he was going to get an A on the test, but he wasn't happy with that and tried to copy off the guy next to him who got an A+. He got caught though, and instead gets a 0.

[USF11]

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Wow, An idiot for stating an opinion. Yeah real mature slick! Grow up!
This is what makes this Country great, because people can have different opinions. Regardless of who is right and wrong!

I would enter into an discussion with another logical free thinking, intelligent individual. But not someone who defends Barry Bonds, using the reasoning he would of still been great past the age of 35 without steroids.

The guy paid-off aids patients for their steroid meds, and your gonna defend him.

For that you are an idiot, and not worth the effort.

[Scottdau]

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I would enter into an discussion with another logical free thinking, intelligent individual. But not someone who defends Barry Bonds, using the reasoning he would of still been great past the age of 35 without steroids.

The guy paid-off aids patients for their steroid meds, and your gonna defend him.

For that you are an idiot, and not worth the effort.

Wow, seriously grow up. Is that all you know! When you get my age I hope you learn to use other words! You can have your opinion and I will have mine, but to call me an idiot regardless if I am wrong, just show your maturity level. But it is all cool lol. Bottom line is Giants will come to Bonds aide and non Giants fan will go for blood! That is life, peace!

[Scottdau]

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I would enter into an discussion with another logical free thinking, intelligent individual. But not someone who defends Barry Bonds, using the reasoning he would of still been great past the age of 35 without steroids.

The guy paid-off aids patients for their steroid meds, and your gonna defend him.

For that you are an idiot, and not worth the effort.

I don't know where you guys get this idea roids make you play longer. The truth is roids take you out before you are ready to go. Bonds is an exception. But look what happen to Mac, Sosa, Ken C, Jose C. Roids will tear you up fast. The body is not meant to hold all that much muscle. The joints are the first thing to go. I have tons of friends that took roids and they burn out fast! But OK roids make you play for ever!

[keRplunK]

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I don't know where you guys get this idea roids make you play longer. The truth is roids take you out before you are ready to go. Bonds is an exception.

I think Bonds is in better shape now, because he probably never took anything until he was 34-35. Those other players took them while they were in their prime. Bonds had his prime, and then extended it with steriods, and became a machine while other players are normally breaking down.

Had he been taking them at the age of 28, then he probably would be out of the league by now like those other players. So they can extend your career if you wait to use them, that's my theory.

Not to mention, he was using the most inovative steriod methods, with the help of Conte, etc.