To all Mets Haters................

[Misfit]

Re: To all Mets Haters................

The Mets are not the equal of any of the AL contenders in terms of pitching. Tom Glavine has an ERA just under 4 pitching in the NL. If the White Sox played in the NL their rotation of number 3 starters could all put up better numbers than that. Wagner scares nobody and isn't a post-season tested closer either. And being a Boston fan I've watched Pedro wilt in the playoffs every year since '99 and he is not even the equal of the Pedro in '04 anymore. AL teams with a better pitching staff than the Mets:

Anaheim, Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota and New York (AL). I'd say they are about the equal of Boston since neither team has a deep rotation, but if Boston gets Wakefield back (a guy who has come up big in the postseason more than once) I'd put them narrowly ahead. And of all of those teams the Mets could rival the lineups of Anaheim, Minnesota, and Boston. I love David Wright and Beltran will probably be the MVP in the NL this year but their lineup isn't nine-deep like the ones featured in the AL.

If you're a Mets fan then sure, be happy, be optimistic, but don't be an idiot about it. Getting your panties in a bunch because the majority of non-Mets fans view the AL is a superior league is stupid because only NL homers do not believe that. The only NL teams win winning records in interleague play this year were the Giants and Rockies, both of whome played most of their games against the weakest division in the AL (the West). For an NL team to win the series this year its going to take some good play and a little luck. I'd say the Mets aren't any better than the Astros or Cardinals of the previous years and neither of those teams even won a game in the World Series.

[Spectre]

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Dang FF, I really don't see a need for this thread. The NL is, on the whole, weaker than the AL. There's no denying that.

I think virtually everybody is saying the Mets are the class of the NL. i haven't heard much disagreement on that point. Heck, I think most analysts realize the Mets will be on top (of the NL East atleast) for a long time to come. I think we're getting a lot of credit.

I also don't think a short series against the Red Sox is indicative of what will happen in the WS (if either team makes it there) BTW. After all, the Red Sox flatlined against the Royals.

Let's just cut this BS and stop complaining about the lack of respect- its sickening and it just causes other fans (particularly the Sox fans on this board ) to get antagonistic.

[Nyrican127]

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Dang FF, I really don't see a need for this thread. The NL is, on the whole, weaker than the AL. There's no denying that.

I think virtually everybody is saying the Mets are the class of the NL. i haven't heard much disagreement on that point. Heck, I think most analysts realize the Mets will be on top (of the NL East atleast) for a long time to come. I think we're getting a lot of credit.

I also don't think a short series against the Red Sox is indicative of what will happen in the WS (if either team makes it there) BTW. After all, the Red Sox flatlined against the Royals.

Let's just cut this BS and stop complaining about the lack of respect- its sickening and it just causes other fans (particularly the Sox fans on this board ) to get antagonistic.

exactly. we all know how sensitive red sox fans are. lets save all this "mets cant beat an al team" talk until october. its not our fault the nl sucks this year and the al did better in interleague play. dont compare june baseball to october baseball. two totally different animals.

[Head Coach]

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The American League is not that much stronger than the NL. The AL is just top heavy with about 6 or 7 awesome teams.

The AL West is just as weak as the NL West with the teams not having really good records except for Oakland.

The AL East has Tampa Bay who is nothing but a AAA team playing in MLB. Both the Yankees and Red Sox get to beat up on them like 18 games or so a year.

The AL Central has the Royals who are the weakest franchise in the entire league. Detroit gets to beat up on them which pads their record.

The Good AL Teams are: NY,Boston,Detroit and Chicago plus Minnesota. Its looks like Oakland is trying to rise in the West as well.

Outside of those teams the AL is pretty even with the NL.

The AL is just top heavy. If Trevor Hoffman wouldnt have blown the All-star game the NL would have won so you cant really say the AL is as far ahead as people think they are.

[NYJets]

Re: To all Mets Haters................

The American League is not that much stronger than the NL. The AL is just top heavy with about 6 or 7 awesome teams.

The AL West is just as weak as the NL West with the teams not having really good records except for Oakland.

The AL East has Tampa Bay who is nothing but a AAA team playing in MLB. Both the Yankees and Red Sox get to beat up on them like 18 games or so a year.

The AL Central has the Royals who are the weakest franchise in the entire league. Detroit gets to beat up on them which pads their record.

The Good AL Teams are: NY,Boston,Detroit and Chicago plus Minnesota. Its looks like Oakland is trying to rise in the West as well.

Outside of those teams the AL is pretty even with the NL.

The AL is just top heavy. If Trevor Hoffman wouldnt have blown the All-star game the NL would have won so you cant really say the AL is as far ahead as people think they are.

The AL has 6 or 7 awesome teams. The NL has 1 at the most.

Toronto, a team that has pretty much no playoff hopes would win the wildcard, west, and have a legit chance at the central in the NL.

The 2 leagues aren't even close.

[Thrasha]

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The AL is just top heavy. If Trevor Hoffman wouldnt have blown the All-star game the NL would have won so you cant really say the AL is as far ahead as people think they are.

Yeah, because we all know the All Star game is a true indicator of which league is better than the other.

[nyyanksfan20]

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The AL has 6 or 7 awesome teams. The NL has 1 at the most.

Toronto, a team that has pretty much no playoff hopes would win the wildcard, west, and have a legit chance at the central in the NL.

The 2 leagues aren't even close.

Toronto could even win the NL East. If you compare them with the Mets they are very similar teams, minus the Jays don't run.

[Spectre]

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My goodness, why'd we have to get into this discussion?

Sheesh- this is the inevitable result of the "we don't get no respect" posts

[EWRMETS]

Re: To all Mets Haters................

Toronto could even win the NL East. If you compare them with the Mets they are very similar teams, minus the Jays don't run.

Are you kidding? I know the AL is much much better but there is no way the Blue Jays would beat the Mets for the division.

[EWRMETS]

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I love how Mets fans think getting manhandled by the Red Sox and Yankees in the last round of interleague play is irrelevant. The fact that the NL is an obviously inferior league is irrelevant and them beating up on an obviously inferior division is irrelevant. But the 1986 World Series is relevant.

Against the Red Sox in Boston...Alay Soler, injured Pedro, Glavine. Against the Yankees in the Bronx..El Duque (2-0 loss), Steve Traschel (8-3 win), Alay Soler (16-7 loss). You're right...if Alay Soler is in the rotation and Pedro is injured in the playoffs, the Mets have no shot. I also like how you said the Mets got manhandled by the Yankees when they very easily could have won that series.

[nyyanksfan20]

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Are you kidding? I know the AL is much much better but there is no way the Blue Jays would beat the Mets for the division.

It's probably a strech but the Mets wouldn't be on cruise control right now with the Jays in their division. And looking at the two teams on paper their pitching is very similar as well as their lineup.

[SPTO]

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Are you kidding? I know the AL is much much better but there is no way the Blue Jays would beat the Mets for the division.

The Jays would be giving the Mets a run for their money if they were in the NL East. They have a pretty stacked lineup from top to bottom. The Starting Rotation has been up and down and the bullpen has been sucky but they still have a good record and it's amazing that they'll probably end up with 90+ wins and NOT make the playoffs.

If they were in the NL East they'd do well against most of the teams in the division so they'd be in the thick of things.

[Spectre]

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The Jays would be giving the Mets a run for their money if they were in the NL East. They have a pretty stacked lineup from top to bottom. The Starting Rotation has been up and down and the bullpen has been sucky but they still have a good record and it's amazing that they'll probably end up with 90+ wins and NOT make the playoffs.

If they were in the NL East they'd do well against most of the teams in the division so they'd be in the thick of things.

Sure, they're definitely a heckuva lot better than the Phillies, Braves, Marlins, and Nationals. There's no doubt in my mind about that. The Mets would still be in front though IMHO (I hate to use the 3 game series as indication, but Halladay has only given up 10 hits in two games this year: once to the Mets and once to the White Sox).

The Jays are a damn good team but have really suffered because of giving. If that colossal disappointment AJ Burnett had been healthy all year, they'd be breathing down the Red Sox's necks right now. It also didn't help that Chacin had a bad sophomore slump- they should still pursue a pitcher in the offseason IMHO.

Josh Towers had no business being on a MLB team and part of the reason he got 12 starts is because Burnett was injured. I really like the Jays in the AL and hope that they get 100% from Burnett (the guys amazing when healthy).

[SPTO]

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I agree spectre,

Burnett hasn't lived up to his end of the bargain yet but remember it's year one of five. So i'm going to give him a little bit of leeway for now. As for Chacin, his numbers weren't great but he was getting wins and that's all that matters. Hopefully he'll be back to form when he comes back off the DL.

The Mets are a good team and all but sometimes homerism can make people block out any kind of constructive criticism.

[Spectre]

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I agree spectre,

Burnett hasn't lived up to his end of the bargain yet but remember it's year one of five. So i'm going to give him a little bit of leeway for now. As for Chacin, his numbers weren't great but he was getting wins and that's all that matters. Hopefully he'll be back to form when he comes back off the DL.

The Mets are a good team and all but sometimes homerism can make people block out any kind of constructive criticism.

I miss Chacin- his look is priceless. Hey, if Burnett gets hot and Chacin comes back strong who knows what will happen? We all know the Jays can put up runs.

They have 8 games against the Red Sox in August and September and 6 against the Yankees- hey, you never know