Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

[Scottdau]

Re: Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

You do realize that you only have it over the fans that defend Merriman?

Nope he is still on your team. Now if you don't like the Chargers any more then you are cool talk away! lol Just Kidding, it is all cool, thrash away.

[TheMatrix31]

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Well guys, keep fussing... three-run home run over the center field wall over at Chavez Ravine.

No dude! He's still on steroids! He's garbage and a cheater!

Please. The guy is 43 and still pounding the ball just like he always has.

And to Alliball, so he's been a jerk since college, yet money and fame has turned him into a monster jagoff? That makes sense.

[SportsTop]

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No dude! He's still on steroids! He's garbage and a cheater!

Please. The guy is 43 and still pounding the ball just like he always has.

And to Alliball, so he's been a jerk since college, yet money and fame has turned him into a monster jagoff? That makes sense.

Actually, yes.

He grew up a spoiled rich kid in a posh neighborhood and was pampered and groomed to be a baseball player from a young age receiving all kinds of accolades at an early age.

[TheMatrix31]

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That's cool.

I don't want to seem like I'm defending him using steroids. Like I said before, my main point is for people not to diminish the fact that he's hit 741 homers. You all know my opinion on that, and thats what I'm really here for.

I'm sick of people on the radio constantly referring to these as "dark days" and all this crap.

[NYJets]

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Well, I'm going to diminish that, because it's my belief that while he'd be a hall of famer without steroids, he would not be on the verge of breaking Aaron's record without them.

[SportsTop]

Re: Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

Well, I'm going to diminish that, because it's my belief that while he'd be a hall of famer without steroids, he would not be on the verge of breaking Aaron's record without them.

Agreed.

I don't think you'll get any argument from any true baseball fan that Bonds was a first ballot HOFer prior to '99. My guess is that he would've retired at around 40 years old with over 100 less HR's without steroids.

[Scottdau]

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Agreed.

I don't think you'll get any argument from any true baseball fan that Bonds was a first ballot HOFer prior to '99. My guess is that he would've retired at around 40 years old with over 100 less HR's without steroids.

He probably would have about close to 600, the only different is the ball park would have been made different. This park was made for him, even though the HR are still harder to hit here then they originally thought.

[Brandon13]

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Agreed.

I don't think you'll get any argument from any true baseball fan that Bonds was a first ballot HOFer prior to '99. My guess is that he would've retired at around 40 years old with over 100 less HR's without steroids.

Agree completely.

[Alliball]

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And to Alliball, so he's been a jerk since college, yet money and fame has turned him into a monster jagoff? That makes sense.

I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around that one.

[faster]

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How many people loved to hate MJ? How many people loved to hate Gretzky? How many people loved to hate Nolan Ryan? How many people love to hate LaDanian Tomlinson? How many people loved to hate Barry Sanders? Walter Payton? David Robinson? Magic Johnson? The list can go on and on.

Now I'll save you the time by bringing up Kobe Bryant, because Kobe is in the same boat as Barry. They're both grade "A" douchebags.

I can talk all I want about steroids even though I'm a Charger fan. Unlike Giant fan who defends Barry no matter what, I'm not a Merriman appologist. Merriman screwed up and did something very stupid and I'll always look at him different. On top of that, Merriman's teammates actually give a damn about him, while I'm sure most of Bonds's current and former teammates wouldn't care if he got run over by a bus.

I'll let everything else go but Kobe is NOT a douche bag. The media portrays him as whatever they want. Kobe is extremely gracious to reports, gives MILLIONS to people and children, and has grown up. Yes, he was an arrogant, selfish athlete, but he's a different person. Kobe does so much for the community it's insane and most of the time he doesn't want cameras there. Case number one is the Make-A-Wish foundation. He has over 100 children requesting him and he's on his way to visiting every one. Most of these he does without cameras.

Don't ever compare Bonds and Kobe. Ever. Bonds is a flat out arse to people and there are stories and stories to prove it. Kobe is not, and if you truly believe that, then fine. He's made mistakes, surely, but he's also extremely accessible by fans, the media, and his teammates.

Whoops... this isn't about Kobe, is it. Still.... that's not a fair statement.

[Kashanova]

Re: Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

comeon guys this is the baseball forum

[faster]

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I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around that one.

Bonds is and always has been as arse. Not just casual pissing people off, we're talking top grade and that was WAAAAY before the money and fame. His college stories are flat out sickening... his treatment of women is distasteful, and his loyalty to his friends is zero. Bah....

The media hates Bonds because his has brought it upon himself like few other athletes I've ever seen. People and the media like nice guys. They'll pass up the opportunity to trash a nice guy, but they'll absolutely roast a guy who's burned them, trashed them, etc.

[grunt]

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I remember the SI cover that said I am Barry and your not. The hate for Barry has always been strong but he is clearly the best player of his era and that is before roids. I think Barry was caught up in the arms race of average players getting big numbers, awards, and endorsements.

I find it insincere how fans/media/mlb that they didn't know their players wasn't using roids. I knew. There were rumors in Oakland that Mark and Jose about roids abuse. We all knew but we turned the blind eye. Now Bonds is the poster boy for cheating but it is ok for players to take speed.

[elprez98]

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Want to know how many +50 HR seasons he had last century? Zero, his highest was 46 in 1993 and he had only 2 other +40 HR seasons. One more thing, he hasn't reached the batting champion level of AB's needed since 1998 and still managed to hit that much more out.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml

That's all, sheesh. Everyone can do that, right?

[mjb2124]

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but it is ok for players to take speed.

Actually it isn't and never has been IMO. I know they only started to test for that this past year though.