Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

[oakfan162]

Re: Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

Would you take out a $1M life insurance policy and then kill yourself just so your kids would be okay?

Ah, but it voids the policy if you do that. lol

[mickj]

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I know, then you throw in the drug cocktail and there you have it.

While every Gaint fan throws out the, "Well has he ever tested positive for steroids" BS, they always leave the HGH argument out of it. Why is that? I'm guessing it doen't fit into your perfect little Barry box. I wonder what they'll all be saying when he kicks the bucket at 50?

1) You don't think there's some investigator looking into what he could potentially be taking? Just because there is no test for it doesn't mean you can't be found out. They've caught people taking HGH, and there hasn't been a test for it. So no, you don't have that argument to hang over people's heads.

2) If he died at 50 what would that prove? Autospy nonwithstanding, I don't see how the fact of him dying at a specific age would prove anything one way or the other. The wear and tear he's placed on his body all these years is absolutely maddening and I wouldn't be surprised if one day his heart just gave out, it's not terribly uncommon for athletes to pass away in their 50s.

[mjb2124]

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True, but still it is tough to me! I had to take steroids before, when I blew my knee out they gave me a steriods to help heal. My legs got ripped. lol

You sure those were anabolic steroids and not the safe kind that is often used to help healing? I'm pretty sure you took the other kind because that's what I took when I messed up my shoulder.

[mjb2124]

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Sure, but there is truth that. If they are taking it why not you. It will make you a super star and make millions. I hear what people say about having morals and all, but you are telling me you wouldn't take steroids if it was going to make you millions? Man that is tough, I would like to say I wont, but millions I don't know.

Personally, I wouldn't take them to make millions. I can guarantee that. It's not worth risking my health, well being and the children that I plan on having growing up fatherless (ie: Caminiti is a good example).

Plus, one can be well off enough working a normal life and investing/saving properly. It's just that too many nowadays have to buy the latest and greatest and don't bother saving (or worse yet, keep a balance on a credit card). Multi-millionare might be tough (unless someone is a CEO), but millionare - certainly. Truthfully, I'll be very disappointed if I don't reach that level.

[Blzer]

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1) You don't think there's some investigator looking into what he could potentially be taking? Just because there is no test for it doesn't mean you can't be found out. They've caught people taking HGH, and there hasn't been a test for it. So no, you don't have that argument to hang over people's heads.

2) If he died at 50 what would that prove? Autospy nonwithstanding, I don't see how the fact of him dying at a specific age would prove anything one way or the other. The wear and tear he's placed on his body all these years is absolutely maddening and I wouldn't be surprised if one day his heart just gave out, it's not terribly uncommon for athletes to pass away in their 50s.

I believe his father passed away at 56 (just a little tidbit if we want to throw "genetics" into the argument).

[Alliball]

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1) You don't think there's some investigator looking into what he could potentially be taking? Just because there is no test for it doesn't mean you can't be found out. They've caught people taking HGH, and there hasn't been a test for it. So no, you don't have that argument to hang over people's heads.

2) If he died at 50 what would that prove? Autospy nonwithstanding, I don't see how the fact of him dying at a specific age would prove anything one way or the other. The wear and tear he's placed on his body all these years is absolutely maddening and I wouldn't be surprised if one day his heart just gave out, it's not terribly uncommon for athletes to pass away in their 50s.

1) Knowing that he's under a microscope there probably isn't a chance in hell that Bonds is ultra careful about how he goes about doing things. So yes, I can hold it over Bonds lovers.

2) He's a baseball player for God sake. While football players have a shorter life span, I haven't really seen any hard evidence that baseball players are dropping dead in their 50's from the wear and tear. You're really reaching. But what else would I expect from a fan.

[Alliball]

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I believe his father passed away at 56 (just a little tidbit if we want to throw "genetics" into the argument).

His father died of cancer. The cancer that Barry got mad at him for because he felt his mother should be having fun in retirement rather than taking care of his ill father.

What a guy!

[mickj]

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Knowing that he's under a microscope there probably isn't a chance in hell that Bonds is ultra careful about how he goes about doing things.

Then why hasn't he been caught using HGH? If he's so careless as you say then he should have been found out for sure if he was doing HGH. Therefore the only logical conclusion you can reach is that he isn't using HGH.

2) He's a baseball player for God sake. While football players have a shorter life span, I haven't really seen any hard evidence that baseball players are dropping dead in their 50's from the wear and tear. You're really reaching. But what else would I expect from a fan.

He's a baseball player, yes, but he is also a workout-aholic. Which is why I wouldn't be terribly surrpised if he just dropped dead in the near future given how much strain he puts on his body. My main point, which you conveniently ignored, was that even if he dropped dead tomorrow, that by itself would prove nothing. People die at various ages for various reasons and saying that because he died "too soon" by your standards is somehow "evidence" he's doing something is ludicrous.

[Scooter3]

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Bonds before steroids hit a Home-Run once every 15.67 at bats
Bonds on steroids hit a Home-Run once every 7.27 at bats...
Go figure...

He didn't beat Roger Maris's 61 Season Home-Run mark...Never got close without steroids...
He will pass 755 with HGH and steroids, but will never beat Hank Aaron's 755 lifetime Home-Run mark!

Words mean things, the word CHEATING means something to me...


Bonds never hit 50, 51, 52 , 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58 , 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72 Home runs per season, in his career then he magically went from an average of 31.78 home-runs to 73... What-A-Guy! Most guys get old but not Barry...

Everyone knows Barry Bonds doesn't deserve Hank Aaron's legitimate lifetime Home-Run Record!

Hank Aaron knows the truth, and agrees with me...

Scooter...

[Scottdau]

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You sure those were anabolic steroids and not the safe kind that is often used to help healing? I'm pretty sure you took the other kind because that's what I took when I messed up my shoulder.

Yeah they were safe at least that is what they said! lol. I had friends that took the bad ones in Jr High. He was benching 300 after taking them. Now he is benching 500. I could have taken them too, but I was to scared to not grow so I passed. I am glad I did. lol Taking steroids is stupid and wrong, but when you are an athlete and a lot of players are taking them I can see why some take them.

[Scottdau]

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His father died of cancer. The cancer that Barry got mad at him for because he felt his mother should be having fun in retirement rather than taking care of his ill father.

What a guy!

Wow, where did you get that. If anything he hated his dad for the way he treated his mother. Now I can understand that. If my dad was mean to my mom, I would have a problem. But what ever!

[mjb2124]

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Then why hasn't he been caught using HGH? If he's so careless as you say then he should have been found out for sure if he was doing HGH. Therefore the only logical conclusion you can reach is that he isn't using HGH.

Out of curiosity, how does he get caught and prosecuted for taking HGH without a valid test in place in the sport of baseball? HGH is undetectable without a blood test and MLB doesn't perform blood tests.

I believe the Olympics and bicycle racing (Tour de France) are the only 2 sports that perform a blood test.

[Scottdau]

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Personally, I wouldn't take them to make millions. I can guarantee that. It's not worth risking my health, well being and the children that I plan on having growing up fatherless (ie: Caminiti is a good example).

Plus, one can be well off enough working a normal life and investing/saving properly. It's just that too many nowadays have to buy the latest and greatest and don't bother saving (or worse yet, keep a balance on a credit card). Multi-millionare might be tough (unless someone is a CEO), but millionare - certainly. Truthfully, I'll be very disappointed if I don't reach that level.

I will say this while agree with what you are saying. There is one problem for me. I am not an athlete. I played baseball in Jr College, but if I was a superstar and seeing others going farther because they are cheating. I really don't know if I wouldn't cheat too. Especially if I always wanted to be a pro athlete.

[Scottdau]

Re: Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

Out of curiosity, how does he get caught and prosecuted for taking HGH without a valid test in place in the sport of baseball? HGH is undetectable without a blood test and MLB doesn't perform blood tests.

I believe the Olympics and bicycle racing (Tour de France) are the only 2 sports that perform a blood test.

If they really wanted to they can check medical records. At least the government can. I still feel baseball didn't care, they like the all the money they were making off Mark and Sosa. They have the government, baseball and other people trying to find stuff on Bonds and still have nothing to stick.

[Blzer]

Re: Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

I believe the Olympics and bicycle racing (Tour de France) are the only 2 sports that perform a blood test.

Doesn't baseball compete in the Olympics?