Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

[Beantown]

Re: Not sure why the big fuss over Bonds..

Yes, but never MLB players.

[mickj]

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Out of curiosity, how does he get caught and prosecuted for taking HGH without a valid test in place in the sport of baseball? HGH is undetectable without a blood test and MLB doesn't perform blood tests.

I believe the Olympics and bicycle racing (Tour de France) are the only 2 sports that perform a blood test.

Jason Grimsley was caught. Just because there is no test doesn't mean you'll never be found out.

[mjb2124]

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Doesn't baseball compete in the Olympics?

Not anymore. Baseball was booted from the summer Olympics along with softball and something else.

Baseball was in the Olympics in years past, but MLB players were never involved since the Olympics ran during the season. I'm pretty sure summer Olympics start near the end of March or early April??

[mjb2124]

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Jason Grimsley was caught. Just because there is no test doesn't mean you'll never be found out.

He admitted to it. That's a big difference than being caught with a blood test. He could've denied it if he wanted to and no one would known any better nor had much of an argument against him (like Sosa, McGwire, Bonds and many others who have denied in the past). If the blood test shows he's guilty, there's no amount of denying that can get him or any player out of it.

Bonds was found to be using steroids as well - in the same manner that got Grimsley busted. However, he denied knowledge of using them whereas Grimsley admitted to it. So Bonds continues to play while Grimsley's career is over.

I'm sure I didn't explain that well, but oh well. At least I know what I'm getting at.

[Scottdau]

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He admitted to it. That's a big difference than being caught with a blood test. He could've denied it if he wanted to and no one would known any better nor had much of an argument against him (like Sosa, McGwire, Bonds and many others who have denied in the past).

Bonds was found to be using steroids as well - in the same manner that got Grimsley busted. However, he denied knowledge of using them whereas Grimsley admitted to it. So Bonds continues to play while Grimsley's career is over.

I'm sure I didn't explain that well, but oh well. At least I know what I'm getting at.

Well I will say one thing. If you are a pro athlete it is your responsibility to know what you are putting in your body! That I agree with, but I do see the other side too. If you trust your trainer, I can see him not knowing, but my question would be why would his trainer and friend to that to him, so I am sure he knew. The one question I do have is why is his friend willing to go to to jail for Bonds? I guess I don't care aobut Steriods, if they want to take them more power to them.

[Blzer]

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Bonds may have known what it was (in terms of effects on the body), but does he have to know that they were illegal steroids? Eh? I mean, that's basically what people around here are saying.

But to me, in the end, it all really doesn't matter. He is teh awsumz, and he is going to set a higher bar for the all-time home run record, whether you guys want that or not. You won't be mad for too long, because Alex Rodriguez or Albert Pujols may very well (not to mention may very easily) pass the record... unless they're caught for using steroids as well.

[Alliball]

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He admitted to it. That's a big difference than being caught with a blood test. He could've denied it if he wanted to and no one would known any better nor had much of an argument against him (like Sosa, McGwire, Bonds and many others who have denied in the past). If the blood test shows he's guilty, there's no amount of denying that can get him or any player out of it.

Bonds was found to be using steroids as well - in the same manner that got Grimsley busted. However, he denied knowledge of using them whereas Grimsley admitted to it. So Bonds continues to play while Grimsley's career is over.

I'm sure I didn't explain that well, but oh well. At least I know what I'm getting at.

Come on man give Bonds a break, it was flaxseed oil.

[Scottdau]

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Come on man give Bonds a break, it was flaxseed oil.

So what is worst not knowing or failing a test hmm?

[Alliball]

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So what is worst not knowing or failing a test hmm?

I seen what you're saying I don't know what's worser.

[mjb2124]

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Bonds may have known what it was (in terms of effects on the body), but does he have to know that they were illegal steroids? Eh? I mean, that's basically what people around here are saying.

If he didn't know exactly what he was putting on/in his body, then he's dumber than a rock. I think it's obvious that he's not a genius, but he's not that dumb either. He knew exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it.

[Scottdau]

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I seen what you're saying I don't know what's worser.

Once again that is a knock on your boy! lol

[Scottdau]

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If he didn't know exactly what he was putting on/in his body, then he's dumber than a rock. I think it's obvious that he's not a genius, but he's not that dumb either. He knew exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it.

While I agree, I can also see trusting your trainer too.

[Alliball]

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While I agree, I can also see trusting your trainer too.

His trainer? You mean Greg Anderson who was a well known steroid dealer. Probably one of the many things Barry was ignorant about. I really feel sorry for him, all those people using him. You know what, Barry is the victim here.

[Scottdau]

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His trainer? You mean Greg Anderson who was a well known steroid dealer. Probably one of the many things Barry was ignorant about. I really feel sorry for him, all those people using him. You know what, Barry is the victim here.

Now you got it, good for you. Yes, Bonds is the victim.

[mjb2124]

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While I agree, I can also see trusting your trainer too.

Not if he has more than rocks rattling in his brain.

It's all about personal responsibility. I don't care if his trainer was his best friend or butt buddy....let alone a well known steroid dealer and user. He's got to watch everything he does more so than most knowing he's an athlete/celebrity. Hell, I'm more responsible than that and I don't have as much to lose as Barry.

I know you'll support the guy through thick and thin, but you gotta see in this instance, he messed up. He's got to take some responsibility for putting things into or onto his own body. No one else made him do it.....he did it himself.