Rollins NL MVP

[snepp]

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I don't really have a problem with Rollins winning it over Holliday. Holliday has better numbers, but that is inflated by Coors field. Neither are the best player in the NL though. I personally think Pujols, Hanley Ramirez, or Wright should have won over either of them.

Hanley might be the worst defensive regular in all of baseball.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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He hit 12 HR on the road and 18 at home. Sure it is only 6 more HR's, but he definitely hit more Hrs at home.

I am happy for Jimmy he is nice young man and I coached against him and his highschool team, so I am happy he won, but I still think Matt had a better year.

Holliday had 11 of his 36 on the road, 31%. Roliins 12 of 30, 40%. JR had the same amount of RBI, just 7 points lower on his BA & less than 50 pts lower on his slug %. Just think, from the leadoff spot, JR had just 8 fewer RBI than Holliday on the road.

[snepp]

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No. It was 25 to 11. .376 25HR & 82 rbi .435 OBP .722 slug @ home. .301 11hr 55 rbi .374 OBP .485 slug on the road.

He was talking about Rollins.

[gta95]

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I don't really have a problem with Rollins winning it over Holliday. Holliday has better numbers, but that is inflated by Coors field. Neither are the best player in the NL though. I personally think Pujols, Hanley Ramirez, or Wright should have won over either of them.

Hanley can't even field a beachball.

[Scottdau]

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Really Jimmy should have hit over 320 with that line up. He would get mostly fast balls, because they don't want to walk him. It is the same thing that happen to Richie from my Giants. When he got moved in the batting order to bat before Bonds in 2002, he had a career year. The same thing for Rollins with having Utly and Howard.

[dkgojackets]

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I disagree with this, though it isn't nearly as bad as the AL last year.

You could make a legitimate case for (in no particular order) Holliday, Pujols, Wright, Utley, Ramirez, and C. Jones over Rollins though.

Plus a lot of people focusing on Holliday's splits seem to forget that there are some big pitcher's parks in his division, not to mention the three best pitchers in the National League. Rollins got to feast on junk from Marlins and Nationals pitchers.

[Kearnzo]

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Hahahaha...I love all the hate in this thread. Don't be bitter cause your leadoff hitter cant do it. Suck on those sourgrapes girls.


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Why does EVERY pro team need fans that embarass the rest of the fans of said team by acting like a moron? $10 says if Holliday won, you would not be anywhere near this thread.

Anyways, Rollins and Holliday were both deserving. I personally thought Holliday was slightly better, but after seeing the splits, I guess it's pretty much even. However, Rollins stats coming from the leadoff position are amazing, so it's a good choice either way you cut it.

[P2K]

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I disagree with this, though it isn't nearly as bad as the AL last year.

You could make a legitimate case for (in no particular order) Holliday, Pujols, Wright, Utley, Ramirez, and C. Jones over Rollins though.

Plus a lot of people focusing on Holliday's splits seem to forget that there are some big pitcher's parks in his division, not to mention the three best pitchers in the National League. Rollins got to feast on junk from Marlins and Nationals pitchers.

So take away Howard's MVP from last year as well?

[Shakedowncapo]

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Why does EVERY pro team need fans that embarass the rest of the fans of said team by acting like a moron? $10 says if Holliday won, you would not be anywhere near this thread.

Anyways, Rollins and Holliday were both deserving. I personally thought Holliday was slightly better, but after seeing the splits, I guess it's pretty much even. However, Rollins stats coming from the leadoff position are amazing, so it's a good choice either way you cut it.

Did you just insult me...? I want you redcarded.

Sike nah, suck it up sugartits...I'm sorry your boy Holliday didnt win. Them the breaks.

And who the hell would vote for Hanley Ramirez? He's the worst defensive SS in the NL. Go kick rocks on that suggestion.

[dkgojackets]

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And who the hell would vote for Hanley Ramirez? He's the worst defensive SS in the NL. Go kick rocks on that suggestion.

Hes also the best hitting shortstop by about 25 runs

[Shakedowncapo]

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That almost offsets his 24 errors!

[Stu]

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That almost offsets his 24 errors!

I highly doubt the 13 errors between the two makes up for the difference in 25 runs at the plate.

[dkgojackets]

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So take away Howard's MVP from last year as well?

I didnt say that. Pujols should have gotten it, but it was a lot closer than this. You could make an argument either way.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I highly doubt the 13 errors between the two makes up for the difference in 25 runs at the plate.

Do you know how many unearned runs were scored because of those 13 extra errors? Do you know how many extra pitches the hurlers had to throw to make up for the extra outs? You can't just look @ 25/13 & say the number itself measures the impact.

[snepp]

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It isn't just the errors with Hanley, he's among the worst in the league at getting to balls in the first place. So not only does he get to significantly fewer balls than other shortstops, but he commits a large number of errors on the ones he does get to.