Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[Porschebenz2001]

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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/1...-has-high.html

Hmm...I'll eat crow. For some reason I thought a Haren trade would be more reasonable. If Billy is asking for that much he probably doesn't really want to trade him. Just testing the waters to see what he can get for him when the time rolls around.

[snepp]

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As expected, the various reports over the weekend stating that Johan had made various statements that would have hindered the Twins ability to get the best deal possible are bogus.

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=282

The Star Tribune has just been contacted by Johan Santana’s agent, Peter Greenberg.

Greenberg said Santana is mad after reading reports that he’s ordered the Twins to trade him to either Boston or New York.

“Johan told me to tell you that’s completely inaccurate,'’ Greenberg said. “He’s upset about that. He’s put no limitations on (Twins GM Bill Smith) to do his job.'’

Greenberg declined to confirm if Santana would waive his no-trade clause if he’s still with the Twins when the 2008 season starts. “That’s a long way away,'’ Greenberg said.

I was reminded by a Twins official this morning that Smith and Greenberg have an excellent working relationship, which likely is a key factor during this critical point in trade talks.

[ckarlic]

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I think it is good for Hank to stand up and let the Twins know that they must make a decision soon or the trade offer is off the table. Its is complete BS that the twins keep going back and forth to see what the Sox want to offer...Just like a younger sibling running to mommy when the older sibling doest something. Not cool!! Im not sure how other baseball fans feel about this but if it were the other way around I bet the fans would be crying fowl that the Yankees are trying to up bid the Sox offer.

In my mind it is a win win situation for the Yanks. I really want Santana but if we cant get him at least we still get to keep Hughes and Melky.

[Picci]

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I think it is good for Hank to stand up and let the Twins know that they must make a decision soon or the trade offer is off the table. Its is complete BS that the twins keep going back and forth to see what the Sox want to offer...Just like a younger sibling running to mommy when the older sibling doest something. Not cool!! Im not sure how other baseball fans feel about this but if it were the other way around I bet the fans would be crying fowl that the Yankees are trying to up bid the Sox offer.

In my mind it is a win win situation for the Yanks. I really want Santana but if we cant get him at least we still get to keep Hughes and Melky.

Honestly guy, this is called tampering. Could you imagine now if the Twins trade Santana to the Bosox and pursue tampering charges against Yankees that would levy a fine?

Don't think its BS at all. Twins need to get best possible deal for Santana and they shouldn't cave in for any team's ultimatum.

[snepp]

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LOL, a Yankees fan whining about being "picked on".

Golden.

[bergie56]

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I think it is good for Hank to stand up and let the Twins know that they must make a decision soon or the trade offer is off the table. Its is complete BS that the twins keep going back and forth to see what the Sox want to offer...Just like a younger sibling running to mommy when the older sibling doest something. Not cool!! Im not sure how other baseball fans feel about this but if it were the other way around I bet the fans would be crying fowl that the Yankees are trying to up bid the Sox offer.

In my mind it is a win win situation for the Yanks. I really want Santana but if we cant get him at least we still get to keep Hughes and Melky.

Since when did it become BS to attempt to get the best deal by playing each team off of the other? I don't think that Bill Smith is worried about making friends with everyone that he is attempting to trade with. He is worried about getting the best deal that he possibly can and is leveraging the Red Sox and Yankees against each other and it seems to be effective so far. Who knows if a trade will get done, but I am guessing that Hank isn't stupid enough to completely blow his chances to land Johan Santana by putting an arbitrary deadline in place.

[ckarlic]

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LOL, a Yankees fan whining about being "picked on".

Golden.

Not that im whining about being picked on but my point is is that Hank is standing up for what he believes. I understand that the Twins are trying to get the best deal for Santana but it reached the point of being ridiculous. Would be funny if the Yanks take the offer off of the table and the Twins are only left with what the Sox have to offer. Would be curious to see what would happen if the deal with the Yanks falls through. Im sure this wont happen but would be funny if the Sox offer lesser than what they promised.

[Porschebenz2001]

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Since when did it become BS to attempt to get the best deal by playing each team off of the other? I don't think that Bill Smith is worried about making friends with everyone that he is attempting to trade with. He is worried about getting the best deal that he possibly can and is leveraging the Red Sox and Yankees against each other and it seems to be effective so far. Who knows if a trade will get done, but I am guessing that Hank is stupid enough to completely blow his chances to land Johan Santana by putting an arbitrary deadline in place.

Unfortunately you are probably right.

Smith is doing what every good GM would do.

[snepp]

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Hank is a pompous *** who's clearly in over his head. If he were smart he'd get his mutt-face out of the way and let the intelligent baseball people do their job (i.e. Cashman).

When the Yankees are offering **** (Hughes excluded) in return for the best pitcher in the league, holding out for the best deal is far from the point of "being ridiculous".

[bergie56]

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Unfortunately you are probably right.

Smith is doing what every good GM would do.

Haha I meant to say isn't...

[Knight165]

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I think it is good for Hank to stand up and let the Twins know that they must make a decision soon or the trade offer is off the table. Its is complete BS that the twins keep going back and forth to see what the Sox want to offer...Just like a younger sibling running to mommy when the older sibling doest something. Not cool!! Im not sure how other baseball fans feel about this but if it were the other way around I bet the fans would be crying fowl that the Yankees are trying to up bid the Sox offer.

In my mind it is a win win situation for the Yanks. I really want Santana but if we cant get him at least we still get to keep Hughes and Melky.

Please....there are more gentlemanly ways to say "this is our best offer" than to cry to the media and accuse the Twins of trying to "drive up the price" by playing one team against the other
The Yankees have undercut so many teams in the past with FA's it's not even funny, so to have them whine about it now in a trade negotiation is ridiculous.
The Twins did not run from one team to the other, they stated that both the Yankee and Red Sox offers were insufficient....it's the Yanks and the Sox who are playing tit for tat by waiting to see what the other does and then one upping them(which they should do!)

M.K.
Knight165

[spyder23]

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Thank you Hank! F the Twins. They are definitely playing the Yanks against the Sox, and Hank is just letting them knoe he isnt going to be bullied. Nothing wrong with that either. Its funny how Yankee haters find anything to btch abut when it comes to the Yankees.

$hit or get off the pot, Twins. The Yankees have other pitchers they are interested in and the Twins have had plenty of time to decipher between the two deals. If Hughes and Melky and another prospect isnt enough, then adios. Let Boston trade Ellsbury to them. I am to the point now I hope the Twins get stuck with Johan and end up getting nothing for him when he leaves via FA. They have a cheap owner(not to mention probably the games richest owner), and it would serve him right.

And to the guy who said he wished Hank would step aside and let Cashman do his job, I agree. But for different reasons. What you dont understand is we wouldnt even be discussing Hughes to the Twins if Cashman was in charge of all this. Cashman doesnt want to deal him, and neither do I.

I'll gladly keep Hughes. Let the kids have a chance, for once.

[dust247]

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Would be funny if the Yanks take the offer off of the table and the Twins are only left with what the Sox have to offer. Would be curious to see what would happen if the deal with the Yanks falls through.

Woah, the Twins are shaking. We're going to miss out on one premier prospect (who was injured last year?) and a media over-hyped center fielder, that hasn't played up to his expectations since joining the majors a couple of years back. I think I'll take one more year of Santana striking out two-hundred plus, than two players that may never live up to the hype from the New York media. Obviously there's going to be another mid-level prospect thrown in, at least according to all the rumors out there, but like someone else mentioned, those type of players our a dime-a-dozen in any minor league system.

[dust247]

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Thank you Hank! F the Twins. They are definitely playing the Yanks against the Sox, and Hank is just letting them knoe he isnt going to be bullied. Nothing wrong with that either. Its funny how Yankee haters find anything to btch abut when it comes to the Yankees.

No one is forcing the Yankees to trade for Johan Santana, or any other Twins player for that matter. If the Yankees aren't going to offer what our GM feels is necessary, than a trade won't happen. Hank can feel he has made the best offer, but that's only his opinion. I guess if the Twins are "bullying" Hank, as you say they are, it serves him and the Yankees right.

[NYJets]

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Woah, the Twins are shaking. We're going to miss out on one premier prospect (who was injured last year?) and a media over-hyped center fielder, that hasn't played up to his expectations since joining the majors a couple of years back. I think I'll take one more year of Santana striking out two-hundred plus, than two players that may never live up to the hype from the New York media. Obviously there's going to be another mid-level prospect thrown in, at least according to all the rumors out there, but like someone else mentioned, those type of players our a dime-a-dozen in any minor league system.

Yea, Hughes pulled his hamstring, he is terrible.

And what do you mean Melky hasn't played up to his expectations? He was never a huge prospect, a lot of people thought he was terrible. He has surpassed expectations.