Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

[SPTO]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

I gotta admit SPTO, this made me laugh. Voting for Baines, but not Edgar?

I went with the assumption you were only allowed 5 selections (tho I went with 6 oops)

Besides if i'm going to go with the first true DH in the HOF it's gotta be Baines first.

[Mo]

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Lee Smith!?!?! Come on OSers. 400+ saves.

There's only one other closer that's getting in and that's Rivera.

[OliDegu2008]

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Pete Rose.

Agrees.

[Navi's_Navy]

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Bert Blyleven
Tim Raines
Roberto Alomar
Barry Larkin
Andre Dawson
Mark McGwire
Fred McGriff

[TheLetterZ]

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Alomar
Blyleven
Galarraga
Larkin
Martinez
McGriff
McGwire
Raines
Trammell

[Ewing]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Don Mattingly
Tim Raines

[Speedy]

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There's only one other closer that's getting in and that's Rivera.

So Hoffman is getting snubbed?

[SPTO]

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The problem with closers is that not every save is equal. I mean there are guys who can rack up big saves numbers but they don't strike you as great pitchers. I think Rivera will get in and Smith will probably get in sooner then later.

Hoffman though, I dunno he doesn't strike me as a HOF closer. Maybe it's because most of his career was spent out west but I just don't see Hall of Famer in front of his name anytime soon.

[rsox]

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The problem with closers is that not every save is equal. I mean there are guys who can rack up big saves numbers but they don't strike you as great pitchers. I think Rivera will get in and Smith will probably get in sooner then later.

Hoffman though, I dunno he doesn't strike me as a HOF closer. Maybe it's because most of his career was spent out west but I just don't see Hall of Famer in front of his name anytime soon.

If Hoffman gets to 600 saves i can't see how they could keep him out regardless of where he got them. Hoffman has had to do more with a lot less in his career compared to Rivera.

Interestingly Rivera has 1 more blown save in his career than Hoffman.

[rsox]

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There's only one other closer that's getting in and that's Rivera.

Someone want to tell that to the 4 closers already in the HoF?.

[Bahnzo]

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Despite my Pete Rose comment, in the end, I wound up voting for Bert Blyleven, Lee Smith, and McGuire. I know McGuire's an iffy proposition due to the performance drugs, but at least he didn't hide behind them like you-know-who.

Also a name that deserves to be mentioned: Ted Simmons. In the Ken Rosenthal column he mentions Larkin, and how he was overshadowed by Ozzie Smith and Cal Ripken. Simmons was the same way, overshadowed by Johnny Bench, but putting up better numbers in many categories than other HOF catchers including Bench. If he was a better defensive catcher, I think he would be much more in the mind of voters.

[Misfit]

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I'm curious as to what the reasoning behind voting for Jack Morris but not Blyleven is. Aside from one Game 7, I can't think of anything (and it is often forgotten that Blyleven went 5-1 in 6 postseason starts and two relief outings with a 2.47 ERA and 4.5 K/BB).

[SPTO]

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I'm curious as to what the reasoning behind voting for Jack Morris but not Blyleven is. Aside from one Game 7, I can't think of anything (and it is often forgotten that Blyleven went 5-1 in 6 postseason starts and two relief outings with a 2.47 ERA and 4.5 K/BB).

I think what hurts Blyleven is that for the majority of his career he was on some very cruddy teams but anyone who's smart would actually use that as a positive thing in a way. I mean it's remarkable how well he did considering the circumstances!

[24]

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Give Donny Baseball from love. hell if he didnt have that bad back then he would be in the Hall already his stats as they are right now are as good as kirby pucketts

[CMH]

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Mine was heavy. I get the feeling that a lot of the real voters don't fill out their ballots like we do.

Roberto Alomar - best 2B both offensively and defensively during his time of play.
Bert Blyleven - deserves to be there. nearly 300 wins, a load of K's.
Barry Larkin - best offensive SS and third best defensive SS during his time.
Edgar Martinez - forget best DH or anything. One of the best hitters of all-time.
Fred McGriff - my one so-so vote. Next year I might vote against him. Never know.
Mark McGwire - amazing power, amazing patience.
Tim Raines - phenomenal base stealer. A poor man's Ricky ain't bad.
Alan Trammell - perhaps the best offensive SS of his time period.

Those are my arguments and I'm sticking to them.

Why not...

Dawson? Because you can throw the argument at me that he wasn't supposed to get on base (ala Rice), just drive them in, yet, I don't see a guy that really did much of that either. His one clear advantage was his defense and since I don't have advanced stats to look at and I never really watched him play, I can only assume that the voters got it right for the most part. Still on the fence with him. Maybe if writers could stop talking about how amazing he is, I might be more open minded to whatever he provided on the field.

Morris? Because to me, he doesn't come close to matching the top pitcher's today, and considering that he played during a time when offense wasn't as abundant, I believe the comparison holds water and he missed the boat.