Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

[CMH]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

It's just completely stupid to me. It's not like anything has changed in a year. If a player is HOF caliber next year, then he should be this year.

The Baseball Writers just get drunk on power IMO.

This is pretty much the process that bothers me the most.

I don't like a guy like Dawson getting in because the voters proved before that they didn't want him in. Suddenly, they are open to the idea?

What that tells me instead is that they were always open to it, but they didn't want it to be that easy for him.

It's a shame that Alomar and Blyleven missed the boat because a few voters likely felt that Alomar shouldn't be a first year Hall Of Famer (whatever that means. It's the silliest argument in the Hall) or that Blyleven needs to wait another year.

I can understand when guys have a change of heart. But I don't think most of the voters have a change of heart. I think most just think "He waited long enough. I can now vote for him."

[jetercanoturn2]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

This is pretty much the process that bothers me the most.

I don't like a guy like Dawson getting in because the voters proved before that they didn't want him in. Suddenly, they are open to the idea?

What that tells me instead is that they were always open to it, but they didn't want it to be that easy for him.

It's a shame that Alomar and Blyleven missed the boat because a few voters likely felt that Alomar shouldn't be a first year Hall Of Famer (whatever that means. It's the silliest argument in the Hall) or that Blyleven needs to wait another year.

I can understand when guys have a change of heart. But I don't think most of the voters have a change of heart. I think most just think "He waited long enough. I can now vote for him."

Yea I think there's just some real arses in there. I imagine that they have it in their twisted mind; Let's let Alomar wait a little while for his spitting incident with the ump". I too can not understand how you can't vote in a guy one year, and yet after so many years they finally give the green light, How is that rational? Right now: Alomar, Larkin, and Blyleven should be Hall of Famers, and yet only Dawson was voted in.

[Ewing]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

"Jack Morris...now there was a pitcher who was feared. When you saw your team facing him, you knew you were probably taking an L. Not the case with Blyleven. Morris was a pitcher who got you to the big game and then won that big game. This guy is a HOF'r if there ever was one."

[jetercanoturn2]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Interestingly enough OS isn't much better the BBWAA. Only player that would have gotten in would have been Alomar, acoording to OS's poll results.

[SPTO]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Interestingly enough OS isn't much better the BBWAA. Only player that would have gotten in would have been Alomar, acoording to OS's poll results.

At least it's a more logical choice

I like Dawson but I'd rather Tim Raines go in the Hall instead. I wonder what HE did to deserve this long wait. The guy was only the 2nd best leadoff hitter behind Rickey Henderson fer cryin' out loud!

[jetercanoturn2]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

At least it's a more logical choice

I like Dawson but I'd rather Tim Raines go in the Hall instead. I wonder what HE did to deserve this long wait. The guy was only the 2nd best leadoff hitter behind Rickey Henderson fer cryin' out loud!

Yea it is a more logical choice lol. It really is an injustice that Alomar didn't make it, I can't believe some people voted against him!! He was ridiculous in his prime. So I guess OS did a 100% better then the BWAA. And definetly agree Raines should be in.

[JBH3]

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Yea it is a more logical choice lol. It really is an injustice that Alomar didn't make it, I can't believe some people voted against him!! He was ridiculous in his prime. So I guess OS did a 100% better then the BWAA. And definetly agree Raines should be in.

I think we did in regards to Alomar. I think The Hawk was a suerfire lock this year too; I appear to be right.

Can't see how Eric Karros, Ellis Burks, Kevin Appier, or Pat Hentgen got votes. Who in the BWAA voted for them?

[Sportsforever]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

So I was looking at the next few classes and there will be some interesting cases, especially in 2013. 2012 has to be one of the worst groups ever...I'm not sure there is a HOF'r in there (maybe Bernie?).

2011: Jeff Bagwell, Rafael Palmeiro, John Olerud, Kevin Brown, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez, Tino Martinez, B.J. Surhoff, Marquis Grissom, John Franco, Bret Boone, Al Leiter, Benito Santiago, Carlos Baerga, Raul Mondesi, Bobby Higginson, Wilson Alvarez, Rey Sanchez, Charles Johnson, Jose Offerman, Ugueth Urbina, Ismael Valdez, Dan Wilson, Paul Quantrill, Cal Eldred, Kirk Rueter, Steve Reed

2012: Edgardo Alfonzo, Pedro Astacio, David Bell, Jeromy Burnitz, Vinny Castilla, Scott Erickson, Carl Everett, Jeff Fassero, Alex S. Gonzalez, Danny Graves, Rick Helling, Dustin Hermanson, Jose Hernandez, Brian Jordan, Matt Lawton, Javy Lopez, Bill Mueller, Terry Mulholland, Jeff Nelson, Phil Nevin, Brad Radke, Joe Randa, Tim Salmon, Ruben Sierra, Jose Vizcaino, Bernie Williams, Eric Young

2013: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker

2014: Moises Alou, Armando Benitez, Sean Casey, Jose Cruz Jr., Ray Durham, Damion Easley, Jim Edmonds, Keith Foulke, Eric Gagne, Tom Glavine, Luis Gonzalez, Mark Grudzielanek, Scott Hatteberg, Jacque Jones, Todd Jones, Jeff Kent, Jon Lieber, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Lo Duca, Greg Maddux, Matt Morris, Mike Mussina, Trot Nixon, Hideo Nomo, Jay Payton, Kenny Rogers, Richie Sexson, J.T. Snow, Shannon Stewart, Frank Thomas, Mike Timlin, Steve Trachsel, Jose Vidro

[CMH]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Eric Karros was an awful, awful two votes.

[Sportsforever]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Eric Karros was an awful, awful two votes.

David Segui picked up a vote...which I thought was crazy and then someone mentioned his career OPS was 802 while Dawson's was 806.

[CMH]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

So I was looking at the next few classes and there will be some interesting cases, especially in 2013. 2012 has to be one of the worst groups ever...I'm not sure there is a HOF'r in there (maybe Bernie?).

2013: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker

2013 could have had one of the largest classes ever. Unfortunately, the writers will punish Bonds, Clemens and Sosa.

The only "locks" (and after Alomar's snub, what is a lock anymore?) are Biggio and Piazza. Schilling will survive and get maybe 30% of the votes, but he'll be a Blyleven/Morris type guy. Both will eventually get in, but it'll take a long while.

I see Lofton surviving along with Julio Franco and David Wells. But, with the exception of maybe Lofton (and he'll need Raines to make it first), I don't see either ever making it.

[Mo]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

2013: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker

I don't see anybody from this class getting in the first time. Bonds and Clemens should of but wont. Piazza- is a maybe. Biggio- he's gonna wait a year or two.

[SPTO]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

2013 could have had one of the largest classes ever. Unfortunately, the writers will punish Bonds, Clemens and Sosa.

They're only allowed 5 per year IIRC.

I think Piazza is going to surprise with the number of votes since it seems he was very much liked by the media especially near the end of his career when he was doing some spot work for ESPN.

[DrJones]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Schilling will survive and get maybe 30% of the votes, but he'll be a Blyleven/Morris type guy. Both will eventually get in, but it'll take a long while.

Au contraire. Statheads will like Schilling's numbers, as his only real weakness there is W's, and the old-schoolers will wax poetic about the power of the Bloody Sock and breaking the Curse of the Bambino. For all the debate online about Jack Morris, if he'd thrown a Game 7 shutout for the Yankees or Red Sox instead of the Twins, he'd already be in. And Schilling is a better pitcher than Morris. Deserving or not, Schilling will get 50%+ his first year and will be elected within three years.

[DrJones]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

They're only allowed 5 per year IIRC.

I think Piazza is going to surprise with the number of votes since it seems he was very much liked by the media especially near the end of his career when he was doing some spot work for ESPN.

Plus the fact that Piazza is the greatest offensive catcher in MLB history while playing mostly in Los Angeles and New York? He's a first-ballot lock.