Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

[ryan36]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

I don't get the big deal about Blyleven. For as good as his ERA was , In looking at his stats he has one or two marquee years, and most of the time he went .500 with an era under 3. Call me old fashioned but wins matter...

Barry Larkin, I loved as a player. But he's very very low on actual games played and hitting above .300 7hr 45 sb 3 out of nine years you play, isn't enough to me. If larkin's in then so is Omar Vizquel.

I'm an Edgar honk , and he was the best at his position. DH is part of the game, just like closer. Hence I feel Lee Smith should make it.

Alomar for sure , as well.

[rsox]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Looking at the list of upcomming first ballot players it is like to be within the next 2 years that guys like Blyleven and Raines get in. Blyleven has picked up a lot of steam the past two years and will probably make it next year. Raines has been garnering many comparisons to Lou Brock which can only help him, if he doesn't get in next year than 2012 will likely be his year.

Peter Gammons made a case that Jeff Bagwell will probably get in, maybe not on the first ballot. John Franco on the ballot in 2011 is an interesting one as well. However he should not get in before Lee Smith if it all. In 2012 Bernie Williams is the only first ballot player with even a snowballs chance of getting in. 2013 Biggio and Piazza as was already mentioned. 2014 gives us Glavine and Maddux as well as Jeff Kent and Frank Thomas. Glavine and Maddux a for sure first ballot HOF's and that should be a great day to be a Braves fan. 2015 has Randy Johnson.

Rafael Palmeiro on the ballot next year may be the first player truely punished by the BWAA. If the writers really want to take a stance against the steroid era they will not give Palmeiro the 5% votes needed to stay on the ballot.

[Speedy]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Watching Marty Noble's interview on the MLB network and the guy is showing he's got some serious prejudice against Alomar. If he's supposedly going to vote for him next year and he admits Robbie Alomar should be a HOF then why exclude him the first year? First he states it's because of the spitting incident then when questioned he backs off and says it's b/c of his play in NYM.

The BBWA is ridiculous.

[snepp]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

I don't get the big deal about Blyleven. For as good as his ERA was , In looking at his stats he has one or two marquee years, and most of the time he went .500 with an era under 3. Call me old fashioned but wins matter...

So why don't we just rename it to the "Hall of pitched for really good teams so I had a sexy record" and just end all the debate right now?

[Alliball]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

I don't get the big deal about Blyleven. For as good as his ERA was , In looking at his stats he has one or two marquee years, and most of the time he went .500 with an era under 3. Call me old fashioned but wins matter...

Barry Larkin, I loved as a player. But he's very very low on actual games played and hitting above .300 7hr 45 sb 3 out of nine years you play, isn't enough to me. If larkin's in then so is Omar Vizquel.

I'm an Edgar honk , and he was the best at his position. DH is part of the game, just like closer. Hence I feel Lee Smith should make it.

Alomar for sure , as well.

And Blyleven had 287 of them. Does 13 more make him that much of a better pitcher?

[Alliball]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

I don't get the big deal about Blyleven. For as good as his ERA was , In looking at his stats he has one or two marquee years, and most of the time he went .500 with an era under 3. Call me old fashioned but wins matter...

Barry Larkin, I loved as a player. But he's very very low on actual games played and hitting above .300 7hr 45 sb 3 out of nine years you play, isn't enough to me. If larkin's in then so is Omar Vizquel.

I'm an Edgar honk , and he was the best at his position. DH is part of the game, just like closer. Hence I feel Lee Smith should make it.

Alomar for sure , as well.

And Blyleven had 287 of them. Does 13 more make him that much of a better pitcher?

Call me old fashioned but playing defense is part of the game too.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

I don't get the big deal about Blyleven. For as good as his ERA was , In looking at his stats he has one or two marquee years, and most of the time he went .500 with an era under 3. Call me old fashioned but wins matter...

Barry Larkin, I loved as a player. But he's very very low on actual games played and hitting above .300 7hr 45 sb 3 out of nine years you play, isn't enough to me. If larkin's in then so is Omar Vizquel.

I'm an Edgar honk , and he was the best at his position. DH is part of the game, just like closer. Hence I feel Lee Smith should make it.

Alomar for sure , as well.

The man had a 3.31 career ERA, NO RUN SUPPORT.

Think about the fact that his 15 1-0 wins are the most in the last 50 years, and he had more career shutouts than the American League has had the past 18 seasons.

That is pretty impressive.

That includes 287 wins, which is 27th on the all-time list. Blyleven is fifth in career strikeouts with 3,701. He is 11th in games started with 685. His 60 shutouts are ninth all-time. And Blyleven also ranks 13th all-time in innings pitched with 4,970.

I think people forget how good he was.

Oh and 242 COMPLETE GAMES. As if you will ever see a pitcher come close to that now a days.

The recent nearest Hall of Fame locks are Roger Clemens (118), Greg Maddux (108) & Randy Johnson (96) for complete games.

[Sandman42]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

I don't get the big deal about Blyleven. For as good as his ERA was , In looking at his stats he has one or two marquee years, and most of the time he went .500 with an era under 3. Call me old fashioned but wins matter...

Barry Larkin, I loved as a player. But he's very very low on actual games played and hitting above .300 7hr 45 sb 3 out of nine years you play, isn't enough to me. If larkin's in then so is Omar Vizquel.

I'm an Edgar honk , and he was the best at his position. DH is part of the game, just like closer. Hence I feel Lee Smith should make it.

Alomar for sure , as well.

Vizquel wasn't in the same galaxy as Larkin offensively.

[Ewing]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

I don't get the big deal about Blyleven. For as good as his ERA was , In looking at his stats he has one or two marquee years, and most of the time he went .500 with an era under 3. Call me old fashioned but wins matter...

Yeah, if Blyleven was any good he would have willed his team to more wins.

[DrJones]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

In a lot of ways, Blyleven's career was similar to Nolan Ryan's. No Cy Youngs, amazing durability, lots of strikeouts (though of course Ryan had far more, albeit with far worse control), lots of good seasons with .500 records and low-3 ERA's for middling teams (Ryan's winning percentage is actually worse than Blyleven's), very similar career ERA and ERA+, 1 World Series victory although with no defining postseason moments. However, Ryan was far more famous and threw 7 no-hitters and was a mean ol' Texan.

Am I saying Blyleven was as good as Ryan? Nope, but it's ballpark. Yet Ryan received 98.8% of the ballot on his first try (more than I'm guessing than the far superior Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson will receive) and Blyleven got 17.5%. Go figure.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

In a lot of ways, Blyleven's career was similar to Nolan Ryan's. No Cy Youngs, amazing durability, lots of strikeouts (though of course Ryan had far more, albeit with far worse control), lots of good seasons with .500 records and low-3 ERA's for middling teams (Ryan's winning percentage is actually worse than Blyleven's), very similar career ERA and ERA+, 1 World Series victory although with no defining postseason moments. However, Ryan was far more famous and threw 7 no-hitters and was a mean ol' Texan.

Am I saying Blyleven was as good as Ryan? Nope, but it's ballpark. Yet Ryan received 98.8% of the ballot on his first try (more than I'm guessing than the far superior Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson will receive) and Blyleven got 17.5%. Go figure.

Well when the votes are in the hands of the media, we all know it is who the media likes.

I just don't understand how MEDIA who most have never put a cleat on in their lives, control the fate of baseball immortality, when they spin their stories and most are not even baseball players themselves.

Always felt it was a flawed system.

[SPTO]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Watching Marty Noble's interview on the MLB network and the guy is showing he's got some serious prejudice against Alomar. If he's supposedly going to vote for him next year and he admits Robbie Alomar should be a HOF then why exclude him the first year? First he states it's because of the spitting incident then when questioned he backs off and says it's b/c of his play in NYM.

The BBWA is ridiculous.

It's a damn good thing we don't get MLBN here (well not really good i'm jealous of you all!) because i'd punch my TV as soon as he goes talking that BS.

[Dice]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Watching Marty Noble's interview on the MLB network and the guy is showing he's got some serious prejudice against Alomar. If he's supposedly going to vote for him next year and he admits Robbie Alomar should be a HOF then why exclude him the first year? First he states it's because of the spitting incident then when questioned he backs off and says it's b/c of his play in NYM.

The BBWA is ridiculous.

Excluding Robbie Alomar from the HOF on his first year of eligibility is an absolute joke. Probably the biggest joke since the football HOF excluded Cris Carter on his first year on the ballot.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Excluding Robbie Alomar from the HOF on his first year of eligibility is an absolute joke. Probably the biggest joke since the football HOF excluded Cris Carter on his first year on the ballot.

It has been a joke for over 20 years. If not since it's inception. It is nothing but jealous media wanks on a power trip. Jim Rice, case in point.

[Speedy]

Re: Your 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot

Ryan received 98.8% of the ballot on his first try

This baffles me...who would not vote Ryan in the HOF as a 1st timer?