Who should win the AL MVP?

**NYJets** · 08-24-2003, 10:11 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

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So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

**dce1228** · 08-24-2003, 10:29 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

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So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

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I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion gives me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

**dce1228** · 08-24-2003, 10:29 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion gives me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

**dce1228** · 08-24-2003, 10:29 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion gives me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

**NYJets** · 08-24-2003, 10:30 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion give me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for that great contribution to this discussion.

**NYJets** · 08-24-2003, 10:30 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion give me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for that great contribution to this discussion.

**NYJets** · 08-24-2003, 10:30 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion give me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for that great contribution to this discussion.

**dce1228** · 08-24-2003, 10:36 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion give me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for that great contribution to this discussion.

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Okay fine, are you saying in place of Giambi or in addition to him? Because it would all be a matter of how many games this Bonds + Yankees team won... if they won 25 more games, which is plausible, yeah I could see him winning it... it's all about the ammount of games a team wins and how responsible that player is to that success, that's the formula in my mind.

**dce1228** · 08-24-2003, 10:36 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion give me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for that great contribution to this discussion.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay fine, are you saying in place of Giambi or in addition to him? Because it would all be a matter of how many games this Bonds + Yankees team won... if they won 25 more games, which is plausible, yeah I could see him winning it... it's all about the ammount of games a team wins and how responsible that player is to that success, that's the formula in my mind.

**dce1228** · 08-24-2003, 10:36 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion give me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for that great contribution to this discussion.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay fine, are you saying in place of Giambi or in addition to him? Because it would all be a matter of how many games this Bonds + Yankees team won... if they won 25 more games, which is plausible, yeah I could see him winning it... it's all about the ammount of games a team wins and how responsible that player is to that success, that's the formula in my mind.

**Nivek** · 08-24-2003, 10:39 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

Like I said before, number don't mean anything. It's all about value, so if you put Bonds in Yankee pinstrips his value drops.

For example: BOTTOM of the Ninth...your team is up one.

Bonds is up to bat, men on the corners, one out.

Do you walk bonds to get to Giambi or do you pitch to him?

Now put Bonds in that same situation as a Giant...will your strategy change or not?

**Nivek** · 08-24-2003, 10:39 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

Like I said before, number don't mean anything. It's all about value, so if you put Bonds in Yankee pinstrips his value drops.

For example: BOTTOM of the Ninth...your team is up one.

Bonds is up to bat, men on the corners, one out.

Do you walk bonds to get to Giambi or do you pitch to him?

Now put Bonds in that same situation as a Giant...will your strategy change or not?

**Nivek** · 08-24-2003, 10:39 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

Like I said before, number don't mean anything. It's all about value, so if you put Bonds in Yankee pinstrips his value drops.

For example: BOTTOM of the Ninth...your team is up one.

Bonds is up to bat, men on the corners, one out.

Do you walk bonds to get to Giambi or do you pitch to him?

Now put Bonds in that same situation as a Giant...will your strategy change or not?

**NYJets** · 08-24-2003, 10:46 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion give me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for that great contribution to this discussion.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay fine, are you saying in place of Giambi or in addition to him? Because it would all be a matter of how many games this Bonds + Yankees team won... if they won 25 more games, which is plausible, yeah I could see him winning it... it's all about the ammount of games a team wins and how responsible that player is to that success, that's the formula in my mind.

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I'm saying, hypothetically speaking, if the Yankees had started this season, with the same team they have now, plus Bonds, and you have no idea what their record is in the real situation, would you be willing to give Bonds the mvp. My point is, you can't always tell how a team would be, without a certain player. How can you tell how many games the Yankees would win without Giambi? Is it safe to say they would be a good team, yea. But no one has any idea whether we would have won the same amount, 5 less, 10 less, or 20 less.

I'm not really arguing who the mvp should be with this post, I'm arguing the idea that you can base the mvp soley on how good the team would be without him. You just can't tell.

**NYJets** · 08-24-2003, 10:46 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:
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NYJets37 said:
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dce1228 said:

As Nivek pointed out, and I've spoken of in other posts, Bonds is the definition of MVP because he is irreplaceable in the Giants offense.

<hr /></blockquote>

So if Bonds was putting up his current numbers, but on the Yankees, you wouldn't have him the MVP? I know people consider the strength of the team, but I just hate the argument.

<hr /></blockquote>

I keep attempting to answer this but the very notion give me indegestion so bad I can barely sit here at the computer...

<hr /></blockquote>

Thank you for that great contribution to this discussion.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay fine, are you saying in place of Giambi or in addition to him? Because it would all be a matter of how many games this Bonds + Yankees team won... if they won 25 more games, which is plausible, yeah I could see him winning it... it's all about the ammount of games a team wins and how responsible that player is to that success, that's the formula in my mind.

<hr /></blockquote>

I'm saying, hypothetically speaking, if the Yankees had started this season, with the same team they have now, plus Bonds, and you have no idea what their record is in the real situation, would you be willing to give Bonds the mvp. My point is, you can't always tell how a team would be, without a certain player. How can you tell how many games the Yankees would win without Giambi? Is it safe to say they would be a good team, yea. But no one has any idea whether we would have won the same amount, 5 less, 10 less, or 20 less.

I'm not really arguing who the mvp should be with this post, I'm arguing the idea that you can base the mvp soley on how good the team would be without him. You just can't tell.

Who should win the AL MVP?

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