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  • Dog
    aka jnes12/JNes__
    • Aug 2008
    • 11846

    #1426
    Originally posted by Perfect Zero
    RBI is a finicky stat because you have to have production up front in order to bat in the runs. The three numbers that you should look for up top are batting average, on base percentage, and slugging.
    And the 4th number that adds the last 2...OPS

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    • snepp
      We'll waste him too.
      • Apr 2003
      • 10007

      #1427
      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

      It's RBI, it doesn't matter.
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      • CabreraMVP
        MVP
        • Sep 2010
        • 1437

        #1428
        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

        Originally posted by Travis40
        ZiPS projections for Prince through 2020.

        2012 - .275/.394/.504, 33 HR, 97 RBI
        2013 - .273/.394/.504, 32 HR, 96 RBI
        2014 - .272/.390/.496, 31 HR, 94 RBI
        2015 - .266/.383/.479, 29 HR, 88 RBI
        2016 - .262/.374/.462, 26 HR, 82 RBI
        2017 - .259/.369/.440, 22 HR, 74 RBI
        2018 - .255/.361/.424, 20 HR, 69 RBI
        2019 - .253/.351/.415, 18 HR, 63 RBI
        2020 - .248/.338/.388, 13 HR, 50 RBI

        These aren't numbers of a guy who's worth 9 years, $214 Million.
        I think that says more about the Zips system than Prince Fielder.

        I mean, how can you predict that he will never post an OBP over .400 with Detroit when the last time he DIDN'T have an OBP of .400 was 2007? What sense does that make?

        Prince will never hit more than 32 homers the rest of his career? Even though 32 is his lowest total?

        Those predictions are terrible. A 27 year old in his prime years is not going to experience such a huge falloff, especially hitting around Cabrera and Avila. There's no way to justify that right now.

        People have their best years from 28-32. I really don't believe that Prince is going to get worse and worse starting from age 27.
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        • Sportsforever
          NL MVP
          • Mar 2005
          • 20368

          #1429
          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

          All of you talking about how many homers he will lose to Comerica have short memories...just a year ago on this very forum we have folks showing those same charts for Adrian Gonzalez, predicting 40-45 homers. He had a great year, but only hit 27 homers. You can't overlay spray charts on ballparks and really learn anything.
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          • Reaman
            MVP
            • Jun 2009
            • 2917

            #1430
            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

            CAN WE JUST LET PRINCE PLAY BASEBALL. MY GOODNESS.

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            • BatsareBugs
              LVP
              • Feb 2003
              • 12553

              #1431
              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

              Originally posted by Sportsforever
              All of you talking about how many homers he will lose to Comerica have short memories...just a year ago on this very forum we have folks showing those same charts for Adrian Gonzalez, predicting 40-45 homers. He had a great year, but only hit 27 homers. You can't overlay spray charts on ballparks and really learn anything.
              Unfortunately some of Adrian's home runs in PETCO were opposite field liners, which obviously won't happen at Fenway. He also had the highest BA and OBP of his career last year which I doubt ZiPS would've projected.

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              • Chaos81
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2004
                • 17150

                #1432
                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
                He also had the highest BA and OBP of his career last year which I doubt ZiPS would've projected.
                ZiPS did project him to have the highest BA of his career, and projected him to equal his highest OBP. .316/.407/.569 was his projected line.

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                • av7
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 11408

                  #1433
                  Originally posted by Reaman
                  CAN WE JUST LET PRINCE PLAY BASEBALL. MY GOODNESS.
                  Lose the caps
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                  • Psyblast
                    2023 National Champions
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 42584

                    #1434
                    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                    Yeahhhhh...something tells me Prince'll do just fine. Similar concerns about moving to the American League, adjusting to Comerica, etc etc, were brought up when Cabrera came over from Florida.

                    I think Prince'll be okay. Call me crazy.

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                    • daflyboys
                      Banned
                      • May 2003
                      • 18238

                      #1435
                      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                      Originally posted by Reaman
                      CAN WE JUST LET PRINCE PLAY BASEBALL. MY GOODNESS.
                      Pre-eeety sure that Prince doesn't come in here and read this stuff .... and even if he did, I really don't think he'd give a rat's ***.

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                      • bkrich83
                        Has Been
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 71582

                        #1436
                        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                        Originally posted by daflyboys
                        Pre-eeety sure that Prince doesn't come in here and read this stuff .... and even if he did, I really don't think he'd give a rat's ***.
                        I think his HR numbers will drop but his overall productivity will increase if that makes sense.
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                        • Reaman
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 2917

                          #1437
                          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                          Originally posted by daflyboys
                          Pre-eeety sure that Prince doesn't come in here and read this stuff .... and even if he did, I really don't think he'd give a rat's ***.
                          So why do we discuss anything?

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                          • bkrich83
                            Has Been
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 71582

                            #1438
                            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                            Originally posted by Reaman
                            So why do we discuss anything?
                            Do you think we discuss this stuff so that players like Prince can read them?
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                            • brett the jet favre
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 1938

                              #1439
                              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                              Originally posted by bkrich83
                              Do you think we discuss this stuff so that players like Prince can read them?

                              Haha i know right?
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                              • Reaman
                                MVP
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 2917

                                #1440
                                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                                I know we like to talk baseball and throw in projections and statistics, but why must we overdo it? Prince could 50 home-runs or he could hit 5. It is just sickening to me to see the repeated charts and bickering over it. State and escape, jeez.



                                Originally posted by bkrich83
                                Do you think we discuss this stuff so that players like Prince can read them?
                                Yes. <url>
                                Last edited by Reaman; 01-29-2012, 07:51 PM.

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