The Biogenesis/Suspension thread

[slickdtc]

But it wasn't similar.....his charge is that he recruited.... which MAY (easssssyyyyy PC people) explain why the list is almost exclusively Hispanic.

I was talking more about the allegations of him trying to throw the investigation off. But yeah, any recruiting or funding would also be an extra strike against him.

[Kashanova]

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But it wasn't similar.....his charge is that he recruited.... which MAY (easssssyyyyy PC people) explain why the list is almost exclusively Hispanic.

It was though. They said Alex try to obstruct the investigation. Melky did something very similar to this through his reps.

[Blzer]

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It was though. They said Alex try to obstruct the investigation. Melky did something very similar to this through his reps.

Try telling your presiding judge that "other cars were speeding too" the next time you get a ticket. Doesn't matter what evidence you bring to the table for them, they won't get penalized and you still will.

The essential fact is that yes it's unfair, but this is just how we operate sometimes, fair or not.

[daflyboys]

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It was though. They said Alex try to obstruct the investigation. Melky did something very similar to this through his reps.

Fine. Then if both found guilty of the same thing....ban both their asses.

[Kashanova]

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Try telling your presiding judge that "other cars were speeding too" the next time you get a ticket. Doesn't matter what evidence you bring to the table for them, they won't get penalized and you still will.

The essential fact is that yes it's unfair, but this is just how we operate sometimes, fair or not.

not exactly true but I get what you're trying to say.

[wwharton]

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But it wasn't similar.....his charge is that he recruited.... which MAY (easssssyyyyy PC people) explain why the list is almost exclusively Hispanic.

I put out some ideas earlier in the thread on why a lot of hispanic players end up in the gray area for these things. I think it's a stretch to say it's due to him recruiting. Either way, if I'm not mistaken they only attacked his personal use, not the recruiting, obstructing or anything else. So as far as penalties are concerned, none of that matters.

[NYJets]

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A-Rod's suspension was both the use of PED's, and obstructing the investigation. He wasn't punished for recruiting

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2013/08/05/rodriguez-officially-suspended-through-2014-season/

[daflyboys]

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A-Rod's suspension was both the use of PED's, and obstructing the investigation. He wasn't punished for recruiting
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2013/08/0...h-2014-season/

Just because he was charged, doesn't mean he wasn't involved. Though, then again, like Arnold wanting to be the prettiest in the relationship, ARod would want to be the "roidiest" in the club.

[p_rushing]

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Just because he was charged, doesn't mean he wasn't involved. Though, then again, like Arnold wanting to be the prettiest in the relationship, ARod would want to be the "roidiest" in the club.

I think it was just rumored, but no official info came out that he was recruiting. We may find out, but I still find it hard that Arod would allow others to know he was using. That would create potential people he would have to payoff to keep quite.

[wwharton]

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Just because he was charged, doesn't mean he wasn't involved. Though, then again, like Arnold wanting to be the prettiest in the relationship, ARod would want to be the "roidiest" in the club.

He was just correcting my post of him only being punished for PEDs. I don't think he was making an opinion either way on whether ARod was involved with recruiting.

[ML]

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This is a little off topic and I didn't read every single post in this thread, but I have 2 points I'd like to make when it comes to the use of steroids:

Most of the players suspended in the game were of some form of Hispanic/Latino decent. I'm not trying to be racist toward a certain race of people so don't take offence to this anybody, but I believe that the reason they did it was because of the struggle to make it to the bigs internationally, and all the competition overseas to get noticed, the players felt they had no choice but to take enhancers to make a better life for their families, etc. Once you get on that train, theres definitely no getting off without 3000% effort.

Also, in Barry Bonds' book, he said that he thought he was better than Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire skill wise (which he probably was, dude has the quickest swing I've seen in the game of baseball) and he felt the only way to compete with these players was to do the same thing they were doing, which is to enhance his skill. Although he also testified that he didn't take anything, but if he did he didn't know about it, which is just absurd in a hundred different ways.... I'm sure players in today's game see other guys in their clubhouses and say "hey, I'm better than that guy. If he's cheating, it's not fair that he's making the money I should be getting. I need to be able to do that too so I can keep up with the competition and not get left in the dust."


Now in no way am I defending any of these players. My older brother's freshman year in college he was beat out by the next "1st round draftee since Tino Martinez" down in UTampa. He later failed tests for PED's and was kicked off the team, which they covered with failing to follow team policy, etc. So I'm 100% against the use of steroids, I'm just trying to figure out what's going on in these player's minds.

[DrJones]

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Most of the players suspended in the game were of some form of Hispanic/Latino decent. I'm not trying to be racist toward a certain race of people so don't take offence to this anybody, but I believe that the reason they did it was because of the struggle to make it to the bigs internationally, and all the competition overseas to get noticed, the players felt they had no choice but to take enhancers to make a better life for their families, etc. Once you get on that train, theres definitely no getting off without 3000% effort.

Don't forget that most of the substances/pills on MLB's banned list are legal and available over the counter in the Dominican Republic.

[AC]

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Most of the players suspended in the game were of some form of Hispanic/Latino decent.

The clinic is in Miami, isn't it? And isn't Miami very Cuban/Latino? It's wholly unsurprising that most of the players on this list are of Latino/Hispanic descent, not because I think they're more likely to juice, just because it's probably a product of circumstance.

[55]

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Miami's population is roughly 70% Hispanic. By far the largest percentage of any major city in the US.

[NYJets]

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The clinic is in Miami, isn't it? And isn't Miami very Cuban/Latino? It's wholly unsurprising that most of the players on this list are of Latino/Hispanic descent, not because I think they're more likely to juice, just because it's probably a product of circumstance.

This, and also one of the key guys had a lot of connections to hispanic players:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/07/sp...html?hpw&_r=1&