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[kmoser]

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Does anyone actually like the rule that the ASG determines home-field? I can't remember anybody saying they actually liked that or supported that. Does anybody?

I kinda do. Makes the players actually play for something, unlike the NBA All Star game and the Pro Bowl in football where they goof off the whole time


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[redsox4evur]

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I kinda do. Makes the players actually play for something, unlike the NBA All Star game and the Pro Bowl in football where they goof off the whole time


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Exactly this. If they remove the rule the game becomes an automatic joke because no one will care. And you will start to see final scores of like 20-15. And the game look nothing like a regular baseball game.


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[Blzer]

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Does anyone actually like the rule that the ASG determines home-field? I can't remember anybody saying they actually liked that or supported that. Does anybody?

I'm not pro, but I'm also not anti. I just like that it addresses the fact that the players are playing for something, and the votes we place actually mean something as well.

The All Star game always seems it played pretty well, but my favorite ASG by far was the one at Yankee Stadium recently that went into extra innings. The one in Milwaukee, famous for having Hunter rob a Bonds home run and then he prompted to hit one thereafter, was a sham when it ended in a tie. They could have done other things to prevent that, but the one they put in is just fine for me. Stupid? Sure. But no more ties, please.

You want a stupid rule that should not be put in? Start mentioning intentional walk again, I dare you all...

[kehlis]

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I kinda do. Makes the players actually play for something, unlike the NBA All Star game and the Pro Bowl in football where they goof off the whole time


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Does it though?

What percentage of players on the field will the outcome of the game even help in the end?

There is a reason why some players will use any reason to get out of it.

[kehlis]

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Exactly this. If they remove the rule the game becomes an automatic joke because no one will care. And you will start to see final scores of like 20-15. And the game look nothing like a regular baseball game.


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I know you're young but for many years this rule was not a thing and we never saw scores like that.

The baseball all star game, regardless of the rule, always played out realistic because you can't half *** your way through a 90 mph pitch.

Pitchers can't tone down pitching the way defenses can tone themselves down in other sports and it's a terrible comparison.

[kmoser]

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Does it though?



What percentage of players on the field will the outcome of the game even help in the end?



There is a reason why some players will use any reason to get out of it.

I think it does. And I'm not sure but it would be a waste of my time to watch if they take the home field advantage out of it. I don't watch the Pro Bowl and I watch the NBA game for a few minutes just to see some cool dunks. I think it gives the game some purpose


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[kehlis]

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I think it does. And I'm not sure but it would be a waste of my time to watch if they take the home field advantage out of it. I don't watch the Pro Bowl and I watch the NBA game for a few minutes just to see some cool dunks. I think it gives the game some purpose


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Do you watch Astros games in August when they have no chance of making the post season?

Asking for a reason, not attempting to troll.

[Sportsforever]

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I know you're young but for many years this rule was not a thing and we never saw scores like that.

The baseball all star game, regardless of the rule, always played out realistic because you can't half *** your way through a 90 mph pitch.

Pitchers can't tone down pitching the way defenses can tone themselves down in other sports and it's a terrible comparison.

Yup...the ASG before this rule was a blast. Honestly, the game has always been about fun and $$$ regardless of what anyone says, but the players have always "cared" enough to play hard, even without the home field advantage nonsense. Heck, the 1994 ASG is one of my all time favorite memories.

That said, even with the gimmick of home field, I still enjoy the ASG. Maybe I'm not looking to nit pick it to death and just enjoy it for what it is.

[Blzer]

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So I'm hearing a couple things being debated out here:

- Fans should not vote for ASG
- ASG should not determine WS HFA

The counter arguments being made for these two things are:

- One player doesn't make much of a difference in the game's outcome
- WS HFA doesn't make much of a difference in the game's outcome

What's the issue then, again? It sounds like the same people talking to me about the rules being changed for the IBB shouldn't be nagging for me because it doesn't really affect anything anyway (even though I argue it changes a lot). Some individuals here are going to only see their side of it no matter what rule it refers to.

Once again, my stance on this ASG stuff is this: there are many other ways for them to break the ties in ASG's and determine HFA for the WS, and they do not have to be fixed with one rule. The fact that they fixed both of them in one rule works out just fine for me, but I think it was stupid that they decided on doing that instead of the other dozens of possible solutions available to them for these separate things.

And yes, I believe playing any game at home (provided that it has the fan impact and/or the environmental differences, alongside the half-innings and DH rule differences) means a lot, nevermind a playoff game or World Series game. I think the ASG has plenty of impacting implications for this, and yet I still find it to be... a rule that I am not totally opposed to, stupid as it is. Why would a Freddie Freeman (who I know is not on the NL All Star roster) be a reason whether or not my Giants might have home field advantage in the World Series? But hey, they all represent the National League, so I say it's whatever.

[kmoser]

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Do you watch Astros games in August when they have no chance of making the post season?



Asking for a reason, not attempting to troll.

Haha yes I try to watch as many as I can. And I know if I do that then why not watch the All Star game even if it doesn't matter. But the Astros games, even if we are talking 2012 Astros games lol, aren't exhibition games and still count for something.

And don't get me wrong I'm not saying my opinion is right and that yours is wrong, I value your opinion and see what you are saying. But I personally would rather watch the AS game with a purpose, it gives it some importance


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[kehlis]

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Haha yes I try to watch as many as I can. And I know if I do that then why not watch the All Star game even if it doesn't matter. But the Astros games, even if we are talking 2012 Astros games lol, aren't exhibition games and still count for something.

And don't get me wrong I'm not saying my opinion is right and that yours is wrong, I value your opinion and see what you are saying. But I personally would rather watch the AS game with a purpose, it gives it some importance


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Fair enough and since you're ahead of me with where I was going I won't reiterate that nor was I actually trying to say one opinion was right or wrong.

My only opinion basically echos what Sportsfover said above and that is that the All Star game meant the same to me before this rule as it does now. I enjoy it because out of all the major sports all star games this is the only sport that has had a consistent competitive game every year regardless of what the outcome of the game means.

The only reason this rule even exists is because of the tie that Selig called (and all things considered, I don't know if I blame him either but that's another conversation).

[kmoser]

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Fair enough and since you're ahead of me with where I was going I won't reiterate that nor was I actually trying to say one opinion was right or wrong.



My only opinion basically echos what Sportsfover said above and that is that the All Star game meant the same to me before this rule as it does now. I enjoy it because out of all the major sports all star games this is the only sport that has had a consistent competitive game every year regardless of what the outcome of the game means.



The only reason this rule even exists is because of the tie that Selig called (and all things considered, I don't know if I blame him either but that's another conversation).

I read what you posted earlier about it not being much different without the rule and I agree that baseball isn't a game you can slack off in. Comparing it to the other sports was kinda dumb of me so sorry about that. I'm fairly young and don't remember it without the rule but I've always thought that playing for HFA was a neat addition. But I totally see where you are coming from now.


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[Mabster]

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Try telling Pete Rose and Ray Fosse the game didn't matter before this rule was in effect.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I feel that of the major sports All-Star games that I followed growing up (Pro Bowl, NBA, and MLB), the baseball ASG's were always the most hotly contested and one the players seemed to take pride in/take seriously. In the NBA, the last 5 minutes of the game could get competitive, but that has always been a true exhibition. The Pro Bowl has been an anticlimactic joke for as long as I can remember.

I guess where I'm going with this is I don't think (echoing what a couple of others have already stated) that we ever needed a rule to make the players play hard. I feel like, for some reason that I can't adequately explain, they already did and they took it more mano-y-mano than the other major sports. Unless Larry Walker was batting against Randy Johnson.

Baseball players have always seemed to be a little more uptight about their standing in the game and having unwritten rules and that may have something to do with it. I don't know.

[kehlis]

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So I'm hearing a couple things being debated out here:

- Fans should not vote for ASG
- ASG should not determine WS HFA

My opinion is that I don't care who votes or how it's decided. It's always going to be contested and disagreed with.

I do think the electronic age of voting has drastically changed things though. When I was growing up I had to go to a game in order vote (with a limited ballot mind you) but now the same person can make the same vote as many times as he wants.


I don't see why we need the outcome of the AS game to determine the home advantage of the WS. I'll touch on this later.

The counter arguments being made for these two things are:

- One player doesn't make much of a difference in the game's outcome
- WS HFA doesn't make much of a difference in the game's outcome

I think most people equate homefield advantage to a deciding game 7 but I disagree with that. To me the biggest advantage is having the first two games at home and getting a quick chance to start the series 2-0. If you get to game 7 all square it pretty much falls on pitching at that point.

What's the issue then, again? It sounds like the same people talking to me about the rules being changed for the IBB shouldn't be nagging for me because it doesn't really affect anything anyway (even though I argue it changes a lot). Some individuals here are going to only see their side of it no matter what rule it refers to.

No idea what IBB rules have to do with the AS game so I'll bow out of this one.

Once again, my stance on this ASG stuff is this: there are many other ways for them to break the ties in ASG's and determine HFA for the WS, and they do not have to be fixed with one rule. The fact that they fixed both of them in one rule works out just fine for me, but I think it was stupid that they decided on doing that instead of the other dozens of possible solutions available to them for these separate things.

To me it's pretty simple. The team with the better regular season record has home field advantage. To me that's a no brainer. I know that's how the NHL does it (don't know how the NBA does it).



Ultimately I believe you and I feel the same on the matter but just wanted to comment a bit.