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[Scott]

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It was either Correa or Buxton...That was also the same draft that Gallo, Wacha, Stroman was in.

[AC]

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It was either Correa or Buxton...That was also the same draft that Gallo, Wacha, Stroman was in.

Nah. Just looked it up. It was Buxton or Appel at the top. Appel wanted a dump truck of money and Houston wanted McCullers later, and Minny wanted Buxton, Seattle wanted Zunino, so Appel fell all the way to Pittsburgh and then re-entered the next year. You could argue that McCullers was the real prize of tanking, cause it's possible Correa could have gone as low as probably 4th or 5th, but Houston signed him cheap and got McCullers out of it. Not the point though, cause Correa isn't the only reason they're in such a great place right now.

I hate this thread for making me look up the 2012 draft. Giolito to the Nats one pick ahead of Toronto was beyond heartbreaking.

[Blzer]

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I literally NEVER root for my team to lose, ever.

Totally not on topic with what you were saying, but I have sadistically hoped for games to go into extra innings just to watch more baseball, hoping that my team will not find themselves on the losing end of it.

It's not like I secretly hope it over the straight win, but more baseball is always cool to me. I don't see it as a bad thing until/unless they lose.

[TheMatrix31]

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It is hard to rebuild without having a poorer roster. What is an example of tanking for you?

There's tanking by losing games on purpose. I used to think that that was the only definition of "tanking" and strongly fought for that as the only definition.

But sports and sports fans over the last couple years told me that the word tanking is also used to describe creating a roster to be bad on purpose in the name of rebuilding. It's been used by media, fans, and has been "addressed" by leagues and teams as such too.

So both. I'm going with both now.

Multiple teams across all sports have rebuilt and retooled on the fly without intentionally bottoming out and giving up on seasons before they start and all the other bull**** that goes along with the "process" in modern sports society.

It's *especially* ****ing ridiculous to do this in baseball because it's not a matter of top draft picks in this sport, it's a matter of "prospects" which can literally come from anywhere at any time in any draft slot and year after year after year we see examples of teams jumping into the playoffs coming "out of nowhere" and going on runs to make or win the World Series. To just take YEARS off on purpose by not continually trying to work toward that is especially ****ing stupid.

Hey, listen, if people watch regardless then that's fine. I think it's ****ing pathetic and sickening and disgusting and a total disgrace and antithetical to the sports it infects. And I've stopped watching basketball in large part because of it, I stopped rooting for my hockey team because of it and more and more I'm viewing the entire sport and its fan base as a ****ing joke, and if it continues I'll completely stop watching my favorite baseball team because of it. I'm already disgusted to the point where I can't even view the franchise in the same light I always used to.

I'm sick of it. I'm sick of having sunshine blown up my *** about "the future." I'm sick of these teams ****ting on fans yet constantly demanding our time and emotion and patience and continued allegiance and money year after year after year, demanding that we "keep the faith" and that "it'll all work out soon, trust us." I'm sick of them making a mockery of the merits of good management and the spirit of competition. I'm sick of all of it in ways nobody can even imagine and I'm simply not going to be party to it any longer. I simply can't handle it, and if sports are going to continue going down this path, then maybe it'll just be best for me stop watching sports altogether.

[Jr.]

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I simply can't handle it, and if sports are going to continue going down this path, then maybe it'll just be best for me stop watching sports altogether.

This is your best bet, because it's not going away. It's shown to be a successful way to turn around a struggling franchise.

[TheMatrix31]

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This is your best bet, because it's not going away. It's shown to be a successful way to turn around a struggling franchise.

Yeah, tell that to the teams across all sports that constantly turn their rosters and coaches and GMs year after year after year in the elusive attempt to become relevant while still being perpetually awful because it's all they know how to do.

But yeah, you're probably right. That will probably be the best course of action for me and that's what will probably end up happening. We live in a loser society where loser people expect to be rewarded for being losers. What's happening in sports is just a symptom of our current existence.

[Jr.]

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Yeah, tell that to the teams across all sports that constantly turn their rosters and coaches and GMs year after year after year in the elusive attempt to become relevant while still being perpetually awful because it's all they know how to do.

But yeah, you're probably right. That will probably be the best course of action for me and that's what will probably end up happening. We live in a loser society where loser people expect to be rewarded for being losers. What's happening in sports is just a symptom of our current existence.

It obviously has to be done right. Just saying "I'm going to rebuild" doesn't mean it's going to work.

But you keep on this crusade against everything and everyone. It's hilariously entertaining.

[TheMatrix31]

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Wouldn't do it if it wasn't deserved.

[CMH]

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Yeah, tell that to the teams across all sports that constantly turn their rosters and coaches and GMs year after year after year in the elusive attempt to become relevant while still being perpetually awful because it's all they know how to do.

But yeah, you're probably right. That will probably be the best course of action for me and that's what will probably end up happening. We live in a loser society where loser people expect to be rewarded for being losers. What's happening in sports is just a symptom of our current existence.

To me, this sounds extreme. I'm with you that not everyone should get a trophy. Not a fan of that.

But Fandom is different. You can't expect fans to simply give up on a team they've been following since childhood.

These teams aren't being rewarded for losing either. They don't get championships. They get the best opportunity to draft a good player but it means nothing. How often do #1 picks lead a team to a title?

[TripleCrown9]

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To me, this sounds extreme. I'm with you that not everyone should get a trophy. Not a fan of that.

But Fandom is different. You can't expect fans to simply give up on a team they've been following since childhood.

These teams aren't being rewarded for losing either. They don't get championships. They get the best opportunity to draft a good player but it means nothing. How often do #1 picks lead a team to a title?

Exactly. Griffey never even won a World Series.

And because I love researching baseball, I compiled a list of #1 overall picks that have won a World Series.

1965- Rick Monday (Kansas City Athletics) Won in 1981 with the Dodgers
1968- Tim Foli (New York Mets) Won in 1979 with the Pirates
1977- Harold Baines (Chicago White Sox) Won in 2005 with the White Sox, as a coach
1980- Darryl Strawberry (New York Mets) Won in 1986 with the Mets and 1996, 1998, 1999 with the Yankees
1981- Mike Moore (Seattle Mariners) Won in 1989 with the Athletics
1983- Tim Belcher (Minnesota Twins) Won in 1988 with the Dodgers
1990- Chipper Jones (Atlanta Braves) Won in 1995 with the Braves
1993- Alex Rodriguez (Seattle Mariners) Won in 2009 with the Yankees
1995- Darin Erstad (California Angels) Won in 2002 with the Angels
1998- Pat Burrell (Philadelphia Phillies) Won in 2008 with the Phillies and 2010 with the Giants
2006- Luke Hochevar (Kansas City Royals) Won in 2015 with the Royals

So out of 50 first overall picks, only 11 have won a World Series, only 5 of those won a World Series with the team that drafted them, without playing for different team before winning the World Series.

TL;DR version: If you have the #1 overall pick, he probably won't help YOU win a World Series.

[l3ulvl]

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Wouldn't do it if it wasn't deserved.

I wonder what would happen if you really did stop watching sports. Serenity now?

[TripleCrown9]

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IT'S BASEBALL SEASON

[TheMatrix31]

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Exactly. So constructing bad rosters on purpose is stupid. The entire point is that you don't have to be bad on purpose to rebuild, ESPECIALLY in baseball. The whole thing is an affront.

As for stopping watching sports, I've never watched less than I do currently and it's getting worse and worse.

[SPTO]

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1968- Tim Foli (New York Mets) Won in 1979 with the Mets, but after stints in Montreal and San Francisco.

Um....The Mets won in '79?

Sorry that caught my eye, don't mean to bust your chops like that.

[TripleCrown9]

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Um....The Mets won in '79?

Sorry that caught my eye, don't mean to bust your chops like that.

Sorry, Pirates. He started the season on the Mets but was traded to the Pirates during Opening Week.