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I think you mean he signed with Seattle...and that wasn't that long ago (2004-2005 offseason). I always thought he was a really good player, but really didn't think he'd be a HOF'r. He has continued to play at a high level for at least 6-7 years than I would have expected.Boston Red Sox
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I always hear commentators say in response to a borderline pitch going for/against the pitcher/hitter something like: "There's a big difference between starting 0-1 versus 1-0." Though they tend to say this for most all pitch counts.
So, I ask you: which count pair boasts the biggest difference in advantage-pitcher versus advantage-hitter? Which boasts the least?
0-1 vs. 1-0
0-2 vs. 1-1
1-1 vs. 2-0
1-2 vs. 2-1
2-1 vs. 3-0
2-2 vs. 3-1
Currently as I think about it, I say that the biggest difference is 0-1 vs. 1-0, and the smallest difference is 2-1 vs. 3-0.Last edited by Blzer; 04-05-2018, 10:09 PM.Samsung PN60F8500 PDP / Anthem MRX 720 / Klipsch RC-62 II / Klipsch RF-82 II (x2) / Insignia NS-B2111 (x2) / SVS PC13-Ultra / SVS SB-2000 / Sony MDR-7506 Professional / Audio-Technica ATH-R70x / Sony PS3 & PS4 / DirecTV HR44-500 / DarbeeVision DVP-5000 / Panamax M5400-PM / Elgato HD60Comment
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Didn't even really think about the mindsets being separate. I guess I just think too much as a hitter and not about a pitcher. Good point.
I would say that my whole at-bat long-term changes in that 1-0 vs. 0-1, but going into that next pitch I can see why 2-0 vs. 1-1 is a big difference as well.Samsung PN60F8500 PDP / Anthem MRX 720 / Klipsch RC-62 II / Klipsch RF-82 II (x2) / Insignia NS-B2111 (x2) / SVS PC13-Ultra / SVS SB-2000 / Sony MDR-7506 Professional / Audio-Technica ATH-R70x / Sony PS3 & PS4 / DirecTV HR44-500 / DarbeeVision DVP-5000 / Panamax M5400-PM / Elgato HD60Comment
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I always hear commentators say in response to a borderline pitch going for/against the pitcher/hitter something like: "There's a big difference between starting 0-1 versus 1-0." Though they tend to say this for most all pitch counts.
So, I ask you: which count pair boasts the biggest difference in advantage-pitcher versus advantage-hitter? Which boasts the least?
0-1 vs. 1-0
0-2 vs. 1-1
1-1 vs. 2-0
1-2 vs. 2-1
2-1 vs. 3-0
2-2 vs. 3-1
Currently as I think about it, I say that the biggest difference is 0-1 vs. 1-0, and the smallest difference is 2-1 vs. 3-0.
0-1 (223/268/359) vs 1-0 (272/387/470) OPS diff = +230
0-2 (164/195/254) vs 1-1 (236/311/393) OPS diff = +255
1-1 (236/311/393) vs 2-0 (290/509/514) OPS diff = +319
1-2 (173/227/278) vs 2-1 (254/398/437) OPS diff = +329
2-1 (254/398/437) vs 3-0 (292/739/516) OPS diff = +420
2-2 (193/296/317) vs 3-1 (275/585/489) OPS diff = +461
Interesting pattern...the deeper into the count you are, the more impactful the borderline call is. Based on the numbers, I'd say your hunch was wrong!"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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This data is available...based on 2017 data, here you go:
0-1 (223/268/359) vs 1-0 (272/387/470) OPS diff = +230
0-2 (164/195/254) vs 1-1 (236/311/393) OPS diff = +255
1-1 (236/311/393) vs 2-0 (290/509/514) OPS diff = +319
1-2 (173/227/278) vs 2-1 (254/398/437) OPS diff = +329
2-1 (254/398/437) vs 3-0 (292/739/516) OPS diff = +420
2-2 (193/296/317) vs 3-1 (275/585/489) OPS diff = +461
Interesting pattern...the deeper into the count you are, the more impactful the borderline call is. Based on the numbers, I'd say your hunch was wrong!Last edited by Blzer; 04-05-2018, 10:46 PM.Samsung PN60F8500 PDP / Anthem MRX 720 / Klipsch RC-62 II / Klipsch RF-82 II (x2) / Insignia NS-B2111 (x2) / SVS PC13-Ultra / SVS SB-2000 / Sony MDR-7506 Professional / Audio-Technica ATH-R70x / Sony PS3 & PS4 / DirecTV HR44-500 / DarbeeVision DVP-5000 / Panamax M5400-PM / Elgato HD60Comment
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I don't think that stat really correctly re-creates in the moment mentality.
Unless there is a way to differentiate situation in the game, runners on base, I don't know if would use that as a basis for the question that was asked.
For example, I would argue that even if a pitcher falls behind 2-0 with a runner on second and an open base at first, they still have the upper hand especially if their team has a lead.Comment
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I don't think that stat really correctly re-creates in the moment mentality.
Unless there is a way to differentiate situation in the game, runners on base, I don't know if would use that as a basis for the question that was asked.
For example, I would argue that even if a pitcher falls behind 2-0 with a runner on second and an open base at first, they still have the upper hand especially if their team has a lead.
Obviously it's a pitch-around situation, but if that's the case, the hitter is probably walking anyway so the count doesn't really matter. If it's not, though, the hitter is in a much better position 2-0 than 1-1.Comment
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But wouldn't you still agree that the hitter has a better chance of hitting the ball hard on a 2-0 count rather than a 1-1 count even in that situation?
Obviously it's a pitch-around situation, but if that's the case, the hitter is probably walking anyway so the count doesn't really matter. If it's not, though, the hitter is in a much better position 2-0 than 1-1.
If you're down 10 runs and get a 2-0 count, you're probably trying to hit a homerun which could in turn make you jumpy and over aggressive.Comment
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No, this is OPS AFTER that count (you can get it ON THAT count as well). I figured that was what you were after...what's the difference in starting a PA at 1-0 vs 0-1, etc. That is what this shows..."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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Why would you be trying to the a home run down 10 runs? If I have a 2-0 count, I'm trying to get on base...my home run doesn't matter much in a 10 run game. At least that would be my mentality."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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But again, you're probably trying to do that in the entire AB, so any possible count the mindset would likely be similar. So that should even out any possible differences.Comment
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My main argument is that a 1-1 count in a tie game in the first inning isn't always treated the same way by either the batter or the pitcher as a 1-1 count in the 9th inning of a tied game.Comment
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Ah...I follow. That is true...but the aggregate stats at least tell us what the different counts lead to overall."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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