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[countryboy]

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You don't want a net in your way, sit in the outfield. Problem solved. That gives you at least 3-4 seconds to react to a batted ball.

The ball that hit the girl last night got there in 1.2 seconds. The vast majority of people aren't going to be able to avoid that.

Not only that, she was in the 4th row I believe it was. So not only does she have 1.2 seconds, she also has to be able to track the ball amongst the crowd around her.

[TripleCrown9]

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Not only that, she was in the 4th row I believe it was. So not only does she have 1.2 seconds, she also has to be able to track the ball amongst the crowd around her.

A 4-year-old ain't tracking a ball at all.

[countryboy]

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A 4-year-old ain't tracking a ball at all.

True

My comment was meant to be a general statement for any person in that situation.

[KSUowls]

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The purpose of my gif was to state the exact opposite actually, but ya know...

And let's be perfectly clear about the phrase "perfectly clear," here: if there's a net in the way, that is not perfectly clear.

Might be the minority, but it is the correct point even if others dont see it.

See what I did there [emoji1]

Of course it's sad what happened to the girl, but using a statistical improbability ad an excuse is always bad.

To whomever made the comment about not wanting a net in front of you "just sit in the outfield". The same could be said about this situation. Dont want the risk of a line drive hitting you, then sit in the outfield where you will have plenty of time to react. Of course you're not really safe there either. Although improbable it does happen where someone is injured by a homerun or a foul hit over the nets. So maybe we should just net off the entire stadium to be safe.

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[dubcity]

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I don't think there's anything in this world that is as annoying to me right now as Quick Pitch producers thinking I give even the slightest **** about what vapid unfunny garbage random losers on Twitter say about their stupid ****ing team while watching their game's highlights.

I would add pretty much any sports studio program putting tweets onscreen. It feels like old media desperately trying to look like new media. It's like, we can look at our phone if we want to see social media posts. And of course they have to read the tweet out loud to us, which feels even stupider.

[countryboy]

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Might be the minority, but it is the correct point even if others dont see it.

See what I did there [emoji1]

Of course it's sad what happened to the girl, but using a statistical improbability ad an excuse is always bad.

To whomever made the comment about not wanting a net in front of you "just sit in the outfield". The same could be said about this situation. Dont want the risk of a line drive hitting you, then sit in the outfield where you will have plenty of time to react. Of course you're not really safe there either. Although improbable it does happen where someone is injured by a homerun or a foul hit over the nets. So maybe we should just net off the entire stadium to be safe.

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So how many people need to be injured by a line drive into the stands before statistics say that more safety is needed? 10, 20, 50, 100? Or maybe we should wait until a few people are killed before we react. That seems like a good idea.

This whole argument against extended netting because my view will not be perfectly clear is disgusting. So what your argument is really saying that you're ok with people/children getting drilled by 100mph line drives so long as it doesn't effect your vantage point/enjoyment of the game.

That stance is certainly in the minority and not even close to "correct"

[KSUowls]

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So how many people need to be injured by a line drive into the stands before statistics say that more safety is needed? 10, 20, 50, 100? Or maybe we should wait until a few people are killed before we react. That seems like a good idea.

This whole argument against extended netting because my view will not be perfectly clear is disgusting. So what your argument is really saying that you're ok with people/children getting drilled by 100mph line drives so long as it doesn't effect your vantage point/enjoyment of the game.

That stance is certainly in the minority and not even close to "correct"

I'm curious where are a few of you got your dictionaries. The only ones I or Google are aware of do not state that a subjective opinion is a point of fact as some are insisting.

If we're to stick with your logic then you should be championing nets around the field similar to a fishbowl, because injuries do occur in other places including where there is already a net. Maybe you are in favor of that, I don't know, but if you're not then you're obviously okay with some middle ground. Personally, where the nets currently sit is my middle ground.

[Jr.]

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I'm curious where are a few of you got your dictionaries. The only ones I or Google are aware of do not state that a subjective opinion is a point of fact as some are insisting.

If we're to stick with your logic then you should be championing nets around the field similar to a fishbowl, because injuries do occur in other places including where there is already a net. Maybe you are in favor of that, I don't know, but if you're not then you're obviously okay with some middle ground. Personally, where the nets currently sit is my middle ground.

You said your point was correct, so I'm assuming that's where his comment was coming from.

Anyway, I don't know that I've ever seen a fan injured by a ball hit into the outfield seats. The danger on those is usually from fans climbing over each other trying to get to the ball. I think extending netting to the foul pole is a great middle ground.

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[KSUowls]

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You said your point was correct, so I'm assuming that's where his comment was coming from.

My original statement was referring to Blzer's point being called "incorrect" in that he stated the view was obstructed/also refuting that an opinion could be correct one way or the other. It was a tongue 'n cheek response though so I can see how the original post could have been misconstrued.

Anyway, I don't know that I've ever seen a fan injured by a ball hit into the outfield seats. The danger on those is usually from fans climbing over each other trying to get to the ball. I think extending netting to the foul pole is a great middle ground.

I've seen it on the broadcast. I personally know of someone years ago, a friend when we were kids who got hit in the head at a Braves-Dodgers game by one of those foul balls over the net. IIRC he had to get a couple of stitches and had the imprint of a baseball on his forehead for a couple of weeks. It is of course rare, but to Countryboy's point it's possible.

[Blzer]

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This whole argument against extended netting because my view will not be perfectly clear is disgusting.

I literally meant to type two lines, but then my fingers just kept going. I'll spoiler-tag this.

Spoiler

1) Although the obstructed "view" is one of the reasons, that's not the only thing that I state my qualm with. The main thing for me is the separation between fan and field introducing yet another barrier. It devalues that aspect of being at the park for me (yes, including the occasional foul ball coming your way, which IMO is a fascinating aspect of saying: "Wow, that's the closeness that we have to the game!"). You and others are more than welcome to disagree with that level of interactivity (for lack of a better term) that I think makes those seats feel a lot less open and a lot more restricted.

2) I'm still legitimately uncertain as to where people's sudden awareness of this was heightened to the extent that they are now demanding this happen before they take themselves to that next seat in the ballgame. That's why I brought up that previous rules thread. I literally tossed it out there, and not a single soul took the line. It was an absolute moot point, and people were more than happy to sit where they were.

In fact, I'm willing to bet that four years ago if someone on OS took their infant to a game for a great time out at the park as a perfect bonding moment, sharing your past experiences and teaching them the game, giving them cotton candy as they sit with their kicking dangling feet with a hat two sizes too large for them with joyful glee... that if a 105 MPH foul ball whizzed right by your ears, or even hit somebody with half-decent impact (let's assume no death or hospitalization for this hypothetical scenario), there would never have been you and everybody else storming with rage about: "Ooo man, these seats... they are too dangerous and should have netting right in the way to prevent this from happening. I am stewing right now, ooo man!"

Because KSUowls actually made a good point: if I can help it, I'm going to opt for a seat that keeps my level of openness with the field where it used to be prior to the rule, even if it means the outfield, deeper foul ground, one deck higher, or right behind home plate... so then why is it that before two years ago when this conversation had begun by Major League Baseball, that people still took their kids to the game to those seats, well knowing what could happen if it comes your way? You think the park and the players are putting you in harm's way, but you're saying it yourself that it is you who is signing your own death warrant if you place your child where no netting happens to be.

This was not a conscious thought before a higher-up rep made a stink about it. This is just like the intentional walk thing, where people are talking about it because they made a deal about talking about it. I literally tried to talk about it in that one thread, and people were like: "Nah, that's not a concern" simply by glossing right over it. Not one OS individual thought it was a necessity to implement, and they were more than happy to choose to buy those seats in the first place. Me? Now I will consider alternative approaches.

And let's keep the quote in place where I mentioned a player possibly being struck and killed by a foul ball in the dugout for when it actually happens. They are the closest ones to the action, but they don't have full netted protection from line drives. If we shouldn't wait for fans to get hurt, we also especially shouldn't wait for players to either. Heck, I really rue the day that a pitcher is killed by a comebacker to see what Manfred's course of action will become.

[Sportsforever]

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Interestingly enough, I was watching something on this incident this past week and they said the reason that netting hasn’t been implemented all the way down the lines in all parks...is fans. Each MLB team has polled their season ticket holders (those who generally sit in those seats) each of the last several years and the overwhelming results of those polls are that fans DO NOT want the netting.



IMO, I think that's a cop out...if you think it's the right thing to do, you do it.

[TripleCrown9]

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I think it's ridiculous to call the net a "barrier", implying something negative. You can see everything, you can smell everything, you can hear everything. It's literally just a bunch of strings.

Oh look here, you can even touch the players if that's your goal.




So I'm not sure where the whole "another barrier separating me from the game" stuff comes from.

[Blzer]

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^ It's just a "different strokes" thing then, I guess.

I mean if there literally isn't anything wrong with the netting, then it absolutely should also be in front of dugouts, outfield walls, and all the way up to the second decks. Surely MLB teams can afford them. Remember, last year's foul ball death and the recent incident with the four-year-old occurred after teams chose to extend their netting. Clearly that "wasn't enough."

And I get this whole conversation started with the idea of the new Globe Life Park being extended further out... but why aren't they doing that with their current stadium, like right now? If another fan is critically injured, that's on them.

[Majingir]

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The netting is needed, but I'm sure it would suck getting use to for fans in attendance. Mainly just talking the ones near the front row where on the other side of that wall is the playing field/dirt. Good and bad that fan's can't reach over and try to get a foul ball rolling towards their side of the foul line. Or the balboy or security guard tossing a ball to a kid in the crowd.

But something like a fan getting a ball in the crowd isn't something more important than safety.

I don't know if netting needs to be "foul pole to foul pole" or how high it needs to be, but that should be up to MLB. Especially nowadays where you have ball tracker/trajectory and all that. I'm sure it can apply to foul balls so you can see where the average foul balls go, how high it might go, where in foul territory it goes, and the speeds. From that, determine the proper net length/height.



Also, MLB draft is today. It sucks how weak the MLB draft is compared to other sports. Can't get as excited because you're not seeing 99.999% of these guys in the league next season. Even the TV coverage too, it just doesn't compare to other leagues.

[slickdtc]

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Could not agree more. It stinks that a change is needed, but I would hope we can set aside our feelings for the good and safety of people. I understand it’s uncommon, but being hurt or dying at a game is not cool. Yeah, in a black and white world, it’s one of the risks of the game but if it’s preventable why do we take the risk? Especially when we add in that children are being hurt, it’s an easy decision.

I am positive there can be an area designated for interaction with the players before/after/during breaks in play. It’s 2019 man. We put a thing on Mars. We can figure this out to appease the crowd who wants to keep it as it is and those who want it to be safe at any cost.

Love the angle about using data to inform our decisions. Again, it’s 2019, we have the information. Let’s use it.