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  • Sportsforever
    NL MVP
    • Mar 2005
    • 20368

    #2071
    Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

    Originally posted by Jr.
    Then we're just talking about technicalities and semantics. Jake was great with the Cubs and I would have loved to see him back, but that seemingly was never in the plans. I just don't want to see him in Milwaukee because **** Milwaukee
    BTW - another discussion, but I'm not sure I like Darvish over him that much. I didn't realize how old Darvish is. I thought he was 2 years younger, but he's a few months younger than Arrieta. Who knows what they offered Arrieta, but I don't think Darvish is much better than Jake.
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    • WaitTilNextYear
      Go Cubs Go
      • Mar 2013
      • 16830

      #2072
      Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

      Originally posted by Sportsforever
      I agree with all of that...which is why when framing the discussion it should be about what he would do GOING forward. Instead I'm seeing discussion about what he has done in 2016/2017, which was pretty darn good to be honest. Not 2015 good, but still very good. I've seen you guys talking all offseason about how you want to re-sign him, don't want to see him in another uniform, etc, and now that the Cubs get Darvish it feels like "meh, good riddance Jake".
      I don't remember this part?? Was I away? Have you seen Cubs fans talking about this elsewhere? I can't remember saying that we wanted to re-sign him and all that. I think most of us have grown concerned about how his performance has tailed off and didn't see the price being right for the Cubs. Granted, I would've been ok with him being re-signed if we had whiffed on other options and if the contract wasn't too onerous.

      EDIT: And if I might just add...I'm glad Arrieta is getting a fresh start somewhere else (assuming the Cubs aren't still in play, which they shouldn't be) because it dawned on me that he was being treated with a "it's never good enough mentality" by those that held onto his 2015 performance too tightly. I count myself among that group, where a 3 WAR season is just "meh" as you say in that context.
      Last edited by WaitTilNextYear; 02-11-2018, 09:02 PM.
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      • King_B_Mack
        All Star
        • Jan 2009
        • 24450

        #2073
        Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

        Originally posted by Sportsforever
        Just curious; who would you say was the "driving force" or most important piece to the Cubs World Series win?

        You can start with John Lester and work your way back. You can make convincing cases for Bryant, Rizzo and Hendricks as well.


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        • TripleCrown9
          Keep the Faith
          • May 2010
          • 23705

          #2074
          Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

          If we want to use stats to further the discussion, Arrieta had the 7th best WAR on the team that year. The two pitchers ahead of him were Jon Lester and Kyle Hendricks.
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          • The Kid 24
            It's Show Time!
            • Jan 2007
            • 14766

            #2075
            Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

            Originally posted by Jr.
            Then we're just talking about technicalities and semantics. Jake was great with the Cubs and I would have loved to see him back, but that seemingly was never in the plans. I just don't want to see him in Milwaukee because **** Milwaukee
            Come on now!

            I want him in Milwaukee cuz we need him and he'll have a chip on his shoulder to stick it to Chicago.

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            • ShowTyme15
              LADetermined
              • Jan 2004
              • 11853

              #2076
              Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

              The Twins made an offer to the Rays for Chris Archer 2 weeks ago apparently.

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              • jeffy777
                MVP
                • Jan 2009
                • 3325

                #2077
                Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                Which is why the original comment that spawned this is silly.

                But, Arrieta might not have been in the top 10 players responsible for the Cubs' winning run in 2016...Let's see...Jon Lester, Aroldis Chapman, Kyle Hendricks, Kris Bryant, Kyle Schwarber, Anthony Rizzo, Javier Baez, Addison Russell, Ben Zobrist, Dexter Fowler...that's 10 players? I'd argue that each one was more fundamental to the Cubs winning it all. Arrieta didn't have a bad year, but the team was loaded.

                If you just want to go by WAR, Arrieta was 8th on the 2016 Cubs team. Ahead of Schwarber, Baez, and Chapman. But, it's hard to argue the importance of those 3 in the playoffs and World Series.
                This.

                And to the dude saying that Cubs fans are "meh" on Arrieta just because he's leaving...that's total BS. As I said before, I love Jake and always will. This all originated from the guy saying Jake was THE driving force to the WS win, which is just ridiculous. Sure he played a part, but there were indeed about 10 guys who played a bigger part, and I would've told you the same then as I am now, so my opinion hasn't changed because he's not a Cub any more. There's also no denying Jake hasn't been as good since the first half of 2016 (he hasn't been bad, just not as stellar as he was during his previous stretch of dominance), but hopefully he'll bounce back because I truly do wish the best for him.
                Last edited by jeffy777; 02-12-2018, 12:10 AM.

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                • WaitTilNextYear
                  Go Cubs Go
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 16830

                  #2078
                  Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                  Very interesting...

                  The Cubs "put in one last call" to Jake Arrieta before completing their six-year, $126MM deal with Yu Darvish, reports …


                  certainly appears that Arrieta was the fall back position for the Cubs.
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                  • The Kid 24
                    It's Show Time!
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 14766

                    #2079
                    Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                    Cards found their closer...

                    Bud Norris, 1 yr deal
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                    • WaitTilNextYear
                      Go Cubs Go
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 16830

                      #2080
                      Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                      Originally posted by The Kid 24
                      Cards found their closer...

                      Bud Norris, 1 yr deal
                      When are the Brewers gonna make a move?
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                      • The Kid 24
                        It's Show Time!
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 14766

                        #2081
                        Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                        When are the Brewers gonna make a move?
                        Haha, I hope soon.

                        I think I'm over Arrieta... Sign Cobb and trade for Salazar or Odorizzi.

                        Anderson
                        Cobb
                        Salazar/Odorizzi
                        Davies
                        Chacin
                        Nelson coming back around June

                        Yes, this isnt a rotation that will lead us to victory, but last year our rotation finished 10th in ERA... The rotation above IS A LOT BETTER then what we had last year.

                        And we have our ACE coming back in June.
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                        • WaitTilNextYear
                          Go Cubs Go
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 16830

                          #2082
                          Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                          Originally posted by The Kid 24
                          Haha, I hope soon.

                          I think I'm over Arrieta... Sign Cobb and trade for Salazar or Odorizzi.

                          Anderson
                          Cobb
                          Salazar/Odorizzi
                          Davies
                          Chacin
                          Nelson coming back around June

                          Yes, this isnt a rotation that will lead us to victory, but last year our rotation finished 10th in ERA... The rotation above IS A LOT BETTER then what we had last year.

                          And we have our ACE coming back in June.
                          Ouch, and you guys got absolute career years out of Jimmy Nelson and a couple of other guys last year. I'd expect a pretty strong regression back to some of these guys' career norms.

                          Another name I saw mentioned for a possible trade was Jharel Cotton.
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                          • The Kid 24
                            It's Show Time!
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 14766

                            #2083
                            Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            Ouch, and you guys got absolute career years out of Jimmy Nelson and a couple of other guys last year. I'd expect a pretty strong regression back to some of these guys' career norms.

                            Another name I saw mentioned for a possible trade was Jharel Cotton.
                            Sorry, we finished 9th... Cubs we're only 2 spots ahead of us.

                            Yea, Jimmy and Chase were amazing last year... We shall see.

                            Yea saw that... I can see the intrigue in him, but I'll pass.
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                            • The Kid 24
                              It's Show Time!
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 14766

                              #2084
                              Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                              According to Heyman... Brewers & Twins are favorites to land Arrieta.
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                              • notsobabybombers
                                Pro
                                • Jan 2018
                                • 584

                                #2085
                                Re: 2017-2018 MLB Hot Stove Thread

                                Originally posted by The Kid 24
                                According to Heyman... Brewers & Twins are favorites to land Arrieta.
                                It'd be cool to see the Twins get him. Milwaukee's had their fun, lol.
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