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  • bkrich83
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    #136
    Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

    Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
    You don't get it. 2 of those runs came in because of Hensley's crappy outing. So IF those two runs didn't come in he'd only two runs in five innings. But then again, Eaton would've done better right? Oh yeah, a punchless Rockies team? Weren't you saying the Rockies were going to better this year? As for being punchless, they still have Helton, Holliday, and a few people we haven't heard of.
    Where did I say the Rockies would be better. And yes they were a punchless team. Holliday didn't even start last night, it was light hitting Marerro that went deep.

    BTW, did Hensley allow those runners aboard? No they were Young's. Maybe you're happy with a 5.1 inning 4 ER performance, but Young has yet to show anything to prove he's worth a damn.

    You never did answer, if he was so good, then why would a team like Texas, so desperate for starting pitching, let him go at age 26?
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    • bkrich83
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      #137
      Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

      Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
      "in a pitchers park he was supposed to thrive in"

      I still can't believe people buy into this bull**** line. The ballpark never makes the pitcher. Don't expect to bring in a Mike Bynum and expect to see him turn into Cy Young.

      Pitcher's Park does not equal better pitchers. Those past two years should be proof with Tim Redding, Ismael Valdez, Darrell May, etc.
      So you're telling me that the ballpark has no effect on how effective a pitcher is? Redding, May, and Valdez were just plain bad pitchers, Young looks to be headed down that path.
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      • bkrich83
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        #138
        Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

        Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
        I wouldn't call a guy who went deep 18 times in one season "light hitting".

        And I like how yours reponses make me sound like an optimist... keep it up.
        Considering that was his career high, and it was 4 years ago, and since 1997 he has a grand total of 61 homeruns and a career average of .246 you don't think he's light hitting?
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        • bkrich83
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          #139
          Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

          Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
          It's freakin' one start, jeez I like how people are kneejerking over it.

          A handful games and people are already making their judgements on the offseason moves...
          You didn't answer the question. So the Ballpark has no effect on pitchers? You don't think having that spacious outfield should be an advantage, especially to fly ball pitchers?
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          • bkrich83
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            #140
            Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

            Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
            It's freakin' one start, jeez I like how people are kneejerking over it.

            A handful games and people are already making their judgements on the offseason moves...
            Based on the Padres 30+ years of poor moves and 30+ years of being a crappy team, can you blame them? Their track record speaks for itself.
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            • bkrich83
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              #141
              Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

              Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
              He had seven home runs in a hundred thirty eight at bats last year, he had ten in two-hundred fifty at bats the year before. It's hard to qualify a guy like Eli Marrero who'll give you around 6-11 home runs while being a back-up/platoon player as a light hitter. Please don't put him in the ranks of Sean Burroughs because he's shown more power and ability to hit than a true light hitting batter.
              Man you will say anything to defend all things Padres.

              You're right Marerro is a big time hitter. 61 bombs in 1800 AB's and a .246 Average = Stud.
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              • bkrich83
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                #142
                Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

                Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
                Why do I even argue with you when that's all you say? So what does pointing out that Eli Marrero is nowhere near a light hitter that you peg him to be related to defending the Padres?
                Because he is a light hitter, but you think saying he's a good hitter will somehow justify the bomb Young gave up last night. You're the ultimate Padres apologist. And it's fans like you, who keep believing every thing the Padres say, that allow them to continue to put such a shoddy product on the field, year in and year out.
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                • BatsareBugs
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                  #143
                  Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

                  Originally posted by bkrich83
                  Because he is a light hitter, but you think saying he's a good hitter will somehow justify the bomb Young gave up last night. You're the ultimate Padres apologist. And it's fans like you, who keep believing every thing the Padres say, that allow them to continue to put such a shoddy product on the field, year in and year out.
                  Wow, did I said he was a good hitter or did I say he shouldn't be pegged a lighthitter?


                  Alright BK, I'm a Padres apologist just because you say so and just because since you're inferring it's the truth.

                  Not.

                  Yes it's fans like me why the put out shoddy players on the field right? Fans like me who don't go to the games, fans like me who refuse to watch the game when they're flat out horrible, fans like me who criticize the team but when it comes to arguing with someone that I have a different opinion on I become an apologist?
                  Last edited by BatsareBugs; 04-08-2006, 12:56 PM.

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                  • bkrich83
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                    #144
                    Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

                    Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
                    Wow, I said he was a good hitter or did I say he shouldn't be pegged a lighthitter?


                    Alright BK, I'm a Padres apologist just because you say so and just because since you're inferring it's the truth.

                    Not.
                    He's a light hitter. .246 career avereage, 60 hr's in 1800 ab's = Light hitter. But keep apoligizing for Young if it makes you feel better.

                    No you're a Padres apologist, because you continually make excuses for their ineptitude. You continually drink the kool-aid and buy in to what they say. You're an apologist because you defend them no matter what they do. You seem to be satisfied with their onfield product. That's why you're an apologist.

                    You want to convince yourself, you're not, and are somehow unbiased, feel free.
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                    • BatsareBugs
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                      #145
                      Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

                      Originally posted by bkrich83
                      No you're a Padres apologist, because you continually make excuses for their ineptitude. You continually drink the kool-aid and buy in to what they say. You're an apologist because you defend them no matter what they do. You seem to be satisfied with their onfield product. That's why you're an apologist.
                      Or is it because I have a different opinion of Chris Young, Adam Eaton, and Xavier Nady that makes me an apologist in your eyes huh? Nice reasoning. I've got every reason to be pessimistic, but why stress over a sports team?
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                      • TheTruth916
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                        #146
                        Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

                        Originally posted by bkrich83
                        So does that mean Nady is better than Cameron? Since Nady is playing and Cameron is on the DL?

                        On the field, Young has shown nothing to prove he's a better pitcher than Eaton, unless you mean giving up 4 run in 5 innings, including a pair of homeruns in a pitchers park he was supposed to thrive in, to a punchless Rockies team no less.
                        How long has Nady been in the Majors?? thats the supidest thing ever said right there.

                        Young has been in the majors 3 Years, Eaton 6 years but, I am not saying Young is better then Eaton I am trying to get across is Young will be and should be better in the long run....Hes younger and still has time to develope. Eaton is is over. Get over it...Move on.....At this point in Eaton's career that finger is going to be a huge problem with him and when you can't throw a breaking ball...You are nothing more then a Bullpen Pitcher. DO you remember that when the Padres got him back thats where they were thinking about putting him??

                        and Wow...Did you even watch the game??? Two Runs were his...If the Bullpen could have locked down...you wouldn't even be talking right now. Boch should have allowed him to stay in and get the final two outs, he pulled him way to early.

                        Rockies are not as weak as people think. They have a pretty solid team. Oh wait because they don't have all these "STAR" Players....You don't care about them..

                        Rangers let Young go because they wanted a #2 pitcher with Potential #1 to helm their team and Eaton was starting to do that here and they needed pitching help. Young is exactly that Young so, he still has time to mature. Eaton was already peaking but, see they learned the hard way....Hes on the DL for 3 months. Do you not understand that?

                        If Eaton was here....and He would be on the DL for 3 months as a Padre...You would be on him just like every other fan. The padres pitching stuff is better off now then it was last year. The weakness is the Bullpen

                        Stats are OVERRATED...Eli has always been a guy that could be capable of hitting 20+ HRs. So I don't call him weak, He has pop. Same for Holliday....He can hit too. Eli is a decent/good hitter when he gets his at bats. Tell that to who ever Platoons.


                        Like Rag3VsWorld said,
                        Yes it's fans like me why the put out shoddy players on the field right? Fans like me who don't go to the games, fans like me who refuse to watch the game when they're flat out horrible, fans like me who criticize the team but when it comes to arguing with someone that I have a different opinion on I become an apologist?
                        Couldn't have said it any better but, I will always watch because these guys play period, I am not going to run away from a team because the product sucks...I am not going to stop going to the games because the product sucks.

                        I am a baseball fan. I will watch teams through their hard times and the good times. I am not a bandwagon jumper. I know when to deal with the fact that the Padres will not be in the World Series any times soon, I will not let it bug me like it bugs you BK. Its baseball it happens to every team some time. Sometimes it lasts longer. You can't run away every time a team isn't up to your standards..If you want that then go jump on the back of the Yankees who ruin baseball.
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                        • bkrich83
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                          #147
                          Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

                          Originally posted by TheTruth916
                          I am a baseball fan. I will watch teams through their hard times and the good times. I am not a bandwagon jumper. I know when to deal with the fact that the Padres will not be in the World Series any times soon, I will not let it bug me like it bugs you BK. Its baseball it happens to every team some time. Sometimes it lasts longer. You can't run away every time a team isn't up to your standards..If you want that then go jump on the back of the Yankees who ruin baseball.
                          Considering I have been following this team quite loyally since long before you and Rags were even born, and they have had a grant total of 4 post season appearances i that time, I have more than earned my right to voice my displeasure with this team.

                          You want to go out and act like it's all good, and they are doing a great job, then fine. But they aren't even trying to put a competetive team on the field, and this seasons off-seaon moves just prove it.

                          No one has yet answered the question on Young. If he's such a great prospect, then how does a team like Texas, who's dying for starting pitching let him go at age 26?
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                            #148
                            Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

                            Originally posted by TheTruth916
                            How long has Nady been in the Majors?? thats the supidest thing ever said right there.

                            Young has been in the majors 3 Years, Eaton 6 years but, I am not saying Young is better then Eaton I am trying to get across is Young will be and should be better in the long run....Hes younger and still has time to develope. Eaton is is over. Get over it...Move on.....At this point in Eaton's career that finger is going to be a huge problem with him and when you can't throw a breaking ball...You are nothing more then a Bullpen Pitcher. DO you remember that when the Padres got him back thats where they were thinking about putting him??

                            and Wow...Did you even watch the game??? Two Runs were his...If the Bullpen could have locked down...you wouldn't even be talking right now. Boch should have allowed him to stay in and get the final two outs, he pulled him way to early.

                            .
                            Actually 4 runs were Young's since they were his baserunner. But if you guys want to continue to make excuses and call Eli Marrero a better player than he is feel free. Keep drinking the kool aide.
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                            • TheTruth916
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                              #149
                              Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

                              Yes you can voice your displeasure. I am not telling you not to but, then don't attack rags or me for stating our opinions either.

                              you want to say that padres are not trying to put a competetive product on the team...Wow...Tell that to the players that are playing.

                              I did answer the young question. So, nah I am not going to repeat myself.

                              2 Were youngs and two base runners were...Second and 1st....If he would have continued to pitch...I believe he could have gotten out of it with out any more damage but, no the bullpen came in and gave up doubles...and allowed the runners to score. So yeah, I am saying its the bullpens problem.
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                              • bkrich83
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                                #150
                                Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

                                Originally posted by TheTruth916
                                Yes you can voice your displeasure. I am not telling you not to but, then don't attack rags or me for stating our opinions either.

                                you want to say that padres are not trying to put a competetive product on the team...Wow...Tell that to the players that are playing.
                                Has nothing to do with the players. The front office refuses to attempt to put a competetive team on the field. You think this team will compete with the big boys? We have no shot this year, yet again.

                                Originally posted by TheTruth916

                                2 Were youngs and two base runners were...Second and 1st....If he would have continued to pitch...I believe he could have gotten out of it with out any more damage but, no the bullpen came in and gave up doubles...and allowed the runners to score. So yeah, I am saying its the bullpens problem.
                                Oh so it's your belief he would have gotten out of the inning, and that somehow makes those runners not his responsibility? Oh ok, then that makes it ok. Any more apologies for Young?

                                Listen you guys want to believe these players are better than they are, and this team is better than they are more power to you. Continue to apologize for this team away.
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