Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

[bkrich83]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

How about Cameron and Nady? Cameron sure has looked more impressive playing CF than Nady ever has. I gotta ask Mets fans if Nady is going to playing in more games than Diaz.

Cameron is a lifetime .249 hitter. Yeah he's a star.

[BatsareBugs]

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It maybe right.

Again, rags, you aren't old enough to have been a Padre fan as long as I have. You weren't at the games in 93 when there were literally 4,000 fans at the games. You weren't a fan in '92 when they were 1 starting pitcher away from making the postseason, and they made zero moves.

Actually, length in years doesn't and shouldn't determine what kind of fan I am. I am aware about those two seasons (heck I remember reading about the 1993 season from this baseball almanac-like book that was lying around my house for the 1994 season predictions and seeing how horrid that team was) and I'm aware about the fact that the Padres had Gary Sheffield, Fred McGriff, Tony Gwynn, and they could've had Barry Bonds if they didn't go on the fire sale, but that was the Werner era. I'm glad I did not have to live through that even though trades like Oliver Perez and Jason Bay for Brian Giles still kind of sting.

4 POSTSEASON APPEARANCES in almost 40 years. With that track record, and their pencant for doing the same things year and year out why keep the faith? Plus you say there's no way they will be WS champs. Then why even bother with the season. If you aren't even going to attempt to win, why even bother. And that's where my problem is. This team isn't even trying to win games, they are trying to be mediocre to stay respectable, and that's no longer good enough for me.

How do you know if they're not trying to win games? Just because they didn't go after starting pitchers in the F/A like the overrated A.J. Burnett? If they weren't trying to win games they would've kept Woody Williams in the rotation and sent Brazelton down to AAA. They would've not even bothered with resigning Hoffman and Giles. They wouldn't even have bothered signing Piazza and just stayed with Mirabelli and David Ross. If they weren't trying to win Scott Linebrink would be the closer with no set up man. If they weren't trying to win they'd have tried to keep Klesko off the DL.

Now, you never see teams that play to lose do you? Every team plays to win, even the teams that know they're going to end up losing 100 games anyways. So what if I said the Padres won't win the WS, compared to the other teams that are expected to win their division we all know that's a longshot unless by some sort of miracle all these players do at least good. Now, does that exclude them from winning a division championship again? I never said that the Giants and Dodgers were infinitely better. Heck they've got their question marks too. The Giants are in an even worse situation I hear with their farm system than the Padres and they are still a much older team than the Padres. The Dodgers have the most talent in the division but they've also got the most injury-prone players and if J.D. Drew and Nomar can't stay healthy, this team will struggle. They do not have an impressive starting rotation nor do they have a great bullpen.

[BatsareBugs]

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Cameron is a lifetime .249 hitter. Yeah he's a star.

BA huh? How about OPS of .784 to .734. One is a respected outfielder who is one of the top defensive centerfields in the league, the other? Barely struggling to keep his career on the line.

Both of them strikeout a lot, but Cameron despite having an average of around .240-260 he still gets up around .340 in OBP.

[bkrich83]

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Actually, length in years doesn't and shouldn't determine what kind of fan I am. I am aware about those two seasons (heck I remember reading about the 1993 season from this baseball almanac-like book that was lying around my house for the 1994 season predictions and seeing how horrid that team was) and I'm aware about the fact that the Padres had Gary Sheffield, Fred McGriff, Tony Gwynn, and they could've had Barry Bonds if they didn't go on the fire sale, but that was the Werner era. I'm glad I did not have to live through that even though trades like Oliver Perez and Jason Bay for Brian Giles still kind of sting.

Actually length does have a lot to do with it. You simply have not gone through what I have gone through with this team. You simply don't get the frustration, and waning patience, because you haven't lived through it. I can't explain my skepticism to you, because you just won't get it.

How do you know if they're not trying to win games? Just because they didn't go after starting pitchers in the F/A like the overrated A.J. Burnett? If they weren't trying to win games they would've kept Woody Williams in the rotation and sent Brazelton down to AAA. They would've not even bothered with resigning Hoffman and Giles. They wouldn't even have bothered signing Piazza and just stayed with Mirabelli and David Ross. If they weren't trying to win Scott Linebrink would be the closer with no set up man. If they weren't trying to win they'd have tried to keep Klesko off the DL.

Now, you never see teams that play to lose do you? Every team plays to win, even the teams that know they're going to end up losing 100 games anyways. So what if I said the Padres won't win the WS, compared to the other teams that are expected to win their division we all know that's a longshot unless by some sort of miracle all these players do at least good. Now, does that exclude them from winning a division championship again? I never said that the Giants and Dodgers were infinitely better. Heck they've got their question marks too. The Giants are in an even worse situation I hear with their farm system than the Padres and they are still a much older team than the Padres. The Dodgers have the most talent in the division but they've also got the most injury-prone players and if J.D. Drew and Nomar can't stay healthy, this team will struggle. They do not have an impressive starting rotation nor do they have a great bullpen.

They signed Piazza to appease some fans. The Piazza's and Castilla's are typical Padre signing. Sign a former all-star, way past his prime for a huge discount and hope the fans buy it.

If you know you have no chance to compete, why even bother. You play to win titles. This team does not even attempt to build a title contending team. They build a team to be just mediocre enough for fan support to not go completely down the drain.

Winning is not a priority with this team, mainting revenue, while keeping costs down is.

[BatsareBugs]

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Actually length does have a lot to do with it. You simply have not gone through what I have gone through with this team. You simply don't get the frustration, and waning patience, because you haven't lived through it. I can't explain my skepticism to you, because you just won't get it.

I do get your skepticism. Would it be different had I posted in agreement with you instead of counterring what you said because I pretty dislike stressing and getting frustrated over this team.

They signed Piazza to appease some fans. The Piazza's and Castilla's are typical Padre signing. Sign a former all-star, way past his prime for a huge discount and hope the fans buy it.

If they had signed Bengie Molina, would be a different story? I would think so. Would his numbers translate well to playing in the NL? Probably not. But I'd rather have Piazza and Mirabelli instead of Mirabelli and Ross especially when Piazza can make a third of what Molina is making and provide more offense and call as well as a game as Molina. As for Castilla, I really can't offer anyone else who I'd rather see out there that was available last season... except for maybe Bill Mueller.

If you know you have no chance to compete, why even bother. You play to win titles. This team does not even attempt to build a title contending team. They build a team to be just mediocre enough for fan support to not go completely down the drain.

Winning is not a priority with this team, maintaining revenue, while keeping costs down is.

I find it hard for the Padres to be able to maintain revenue and maintain the attendance at Petco Park if they are mediocre... the novelty of Petco Park is nearly dead, the team's unimpressive limp to the playoffs shooed off fans like crazy (I was one of them, I only decided to watch when Peavy pitched by the time the month of July hit because it was so freakin' unbearable to watch. Even the 2002 team was more exciting).

If I do get the sense that they aren't doing anything to improve the team, I wouldn't be surprised. They didn't help the team in 2004 when they needed to, they tried it last year and it backfired when they acquired Joe Randa who was rather unimpressive when he came and I won't be surprised if that alone makes them hesitant to do anything this year.

Now looking at it, if the Padres don't make the playoffs when they have a shot to this season, Bochy and Towers should be fired per request by Alderson and someone else should be GM... someone better and about the manager position... I don't know who to recommend yet.

[bkrich83]

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I do get your skepticism. Would it be different had I posted in agreement with you instead of counterring what you said because I pretty dislike stressing and getting frustrated over this team.



If they had signed Bengie Molina, would be a different story? I would think so. Would his numbers translate well to playing in the NL? Probably not. But I'd rather have Piazza and Mirabelli instead of Mirabelli and Ross especially when Piazza can make a third of what Molina is making and provide more offense and call as well as a game as Molina. As for Castilla, I really can't offer anyone else who I'd rather see out there that was available last season... except for maybe Bill Mueller.



I find it hard for the Padres to be able to maintain revenue and maintain the attendance at Petco Park if they are mediocre... the novelty of Petco Park is nearly dead, the team's unimpressive limp to the playoffs shooed off fans like crazy (I was one of them, I only decided to watch when Peavy pitched by the time the month of July hit because it was so freakin' unbearable to watch. Even the 2002 team was more exciting).

If I do get the sense that they aren't doing anything to improve the team, I wouldn't be surprised. They didn't help the team in 2004 when they needed to, they tried it last year and it backfired when they acquired Joe Randa who was rather unimpressive when he came and I won't be surprised if that alone makes them hesitant to do anything this year.

Now looking at it, if the Padres don't make the playoffs when they have a shot to this season, Bochy and Towers should be fired per request by Alderson and someone else should be GM... someone better and about the manager position... I don't know who to recommend yet.

I find it hard to believe if they really wanted to contend, Piazza, Cameron, and Castilla, etc are the best they could do to acquire players. Mirabelli? Come on he's not past his prime, because he never had one.

I don't know about the attendance stuff. Even with the crap they put out on the field last year, they still drew 3 million plus.

They had their chance last year, and the best move they could make around the deadline was Randa? I also find it hard to believe that was the best player they could get their hands on.

[BatsareBugs]

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I find it hard to believe if they really wanted to contend, Piazza, Cameron, and Castilla, etc are the best they could do to acquire players. Mirabelli? Come on he's not past his prime, because he never had one.

I don't know about the attendance stuff. Even with the crap they put out on the field last year, they still drew 3 million plus.

They had their chance last year, and the best move they could make around the deadline was Randa? I also find it hard to believe that was the best player they could get their hands on.

He was the best player available last year because there were too many people in contention last year when the trading deadline was looming.

Best catcher available on the market was probably Ramon... but I don't know, Piazza was more productive and played in more games than Ramon last season. As for outfielders the best one available was Giles, who we retained and I think after that it was Reggie Sanders. As for third basemen there was really no one available. This was a pretty thin free agent market in which guys like BJ Ryan and AJ Burnett sapped out a lot of money because of the lack of good talent.

[bkrich83]

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He was the best player available last year because there were too many people in contention last year when the trading deadline was looming.

Best catcher available on the market was probably Ramon... but I don't know, Piazza was more productive and played in more games than Ramon last season. As for outfielders the best one available was Giles, who we retained and I think after that it was Reggie Sanders. As for third basemen there was really no one available. This was a pretty thin free agent market in which guys like BJ Ryan and AJ Burnett sapped out a lot of money because of the lack of good talent.

Here's my other problem with this team.

How can we be so old as a team, and so barren on the farm? The farm system is a shambles.

Seriously you guys never answered.

Who was the last legit position player they've developed not named Khalil, or the last pitcher not named Peavy?

[BatsareBugs]

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Here's my other problem with this team.

How can we be so old as a team, and so barren on the farm? The farm system is a shambles.

Seriously you guys never answered.

Who was the last legit position player they've developed not named Khalil, or the last pitcher not named Peavy?

Bruce Bochy never gives youngsters a chance to play like Jon Knott and they end up being an afterthought in the minors (he was coming up pretty good in 2004, but he wasn't even give a chance to play in the majors). As for pitcher, they tried with Stauffer, but he needs more time in the minors.

Given they've gone through a lot of crap pitchers since Peavy and Perez came up, maybe Carrillo will break that... depending on how bad the Padres are in the rotation could merit him a callup by the middle of the season. However, the other positional prospects that should be ready aren't going to see any major league time this year... those are Ben Johnson and George Kottaras... and because of Bochy we never see if these youngsters develop now since Towers keeps feeding him scrubs like Ojeda (wtf was he doing in the outfield last year instead of Nady?)

[TheTruth916]

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Yet another update on Eaton

Rangers | Eaton considering surgery
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 1941 -0800

Updating previous items, Rangers.MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan reports Texas Rangers SP Adam Eaton (finger) is considering having surgery performed on his injured right middle finger. He is also expecting to miss the first three months of the season.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

Mike Cameron may have suffered an oblique strain yesterday during batting practice. More will be given about the injury today.

If Cameron is unable to play opening day, expect the Padres to DL him as a precaution and keep rooke outfielder Ben Johnson. Possible candidates to replace Cameron on opening day are Terrmel Sledge, Eric Young, and Ben Johnson in centerfield or left field if they decide to have Roberts move back to LF, which is highly unlikely.

[bkrich83]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

Mike Cameron may have suffered an oblique strain yesterday during batting practice. More will be given about the injury today.

If Cameron is unable to play opening day, expect the Padres to DL him as a precaution and keep rooke outfielder Ben Johnson. Possible candidates to replace Cameron on opening day are Terrmel Sledge, Eric Young, and Ben Johnson in centerfield or left field if they decide to have Roberts move back to LF, which is highly unlikely.

That's the problem when all your big acquisisitions are over the hill.

I hope they keep Sledge up,I'd like to see what he can do.

[TheTruth916]

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That's the problem when all your big acquisisitions are over the hill.

I hope they keep Sledge up,I'd like to see what he can do.

Sledge is up..he won the 5th OF Spot to my knowledge and Ben Johnson stayed on the roster because of Cameron going to the DL.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

Sledge is up..he won the 5th OF Spot to my knowledge and Ben Johnson stayed on the roster because of Cameron going to the DL.

Actually Sledge is the 4th outfielder and will be the starting leftfielder in place of Cameron. Eric Young is the 5th outfielder.

As for Mike Cameron, I wouldn't say being 33 is over-the-hill.

[bkrich83]

Re: Official San Diego Padres Thread - 2006

As for Mike Cameron, I wouldn't say being 33 is over-the-hill.

It's getting towards the top of the hill at best. Certainly it's not in his prime, and certainly it's at a time where injuries like that are more common.

Strained oblique sucks too, it can take an entire season for it to truly heal.