San Diego Padres 2007

[BatsareBugs]

Re: San Diego Padres 2007

LMAO. Keep drinkin' the Towers/Alderson kool-aide.

Finally, this thread is fulfilled. The kool-aid has been mentioned.

[bkrich83]

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Interstingly enough Jose Cruz has been one hell of a bargain, so LF is far from the problem. Who knew Kouz and especially Cameron would be this big of a problem? I think the chepaskate thing may be a bit of a reach.

How can Cheapskate be much of a reach? If they'd dust off the wallets, they would have acquired a legit middle of the lineup hitter in the last couple of years. As I said last year, I knew we were in trouble in the post season last year, when the Cards have Albert Pujols hitting cleanup, and the Pads have Todd Walker.

Barfield for Kouz is looking like Bay for Giles/Perez part 2.

[bkrich83]

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Finally, this thread is fulfilled. The kool-aid has been mentioned.

Certain people, seem to swallow anything thrown at them by local teams management.

You'd think we actually have some titles in this town.

[BatsareBugs]

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there is more then enough "POWER" in the padres lineup..

I disagree. We might be outhomering out opponents, but how much of that is due to the fact our pitching is that good?

We have Adrian who has an outside shot at 30 (I say outside because we haven't had anyone exceed 26 home runs since 2004 since Nevin), then we have Khalil and who knows how many he can hit if he stays healthy? Then comes who? Marcus Giles? Maybe a dozen? Kouzmanoff? Depends on if he gets sent down and gets another opportunity or he gets out of his slump? Cameron? Maybe a dozen out of him. Brian? A dozen at best. Bard? Who knows?

I know the long ball isn't everything, but teams look at that too... outside of Adrian and Branyan, we don't have anyone here that would make pitchers crap in their pants if our best power threats are walked or make an out when their are opportunities to score runs.

[BatsareBugs]

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Certain people, seem to swallow anything thrown at them by local teams management.

You'd think we actually have some titles in this town.

Until it happens, I'm not holding my breath. For all I know this team can go ahead and get this division won this month and think they're good enough for the playoffs until a team that has a better 1-2 power hitter punch shows them the benefits of having two legit power bats.

[bkrich83]

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I disagree. We might be outhomering out opponents, but how much of that is due to the fact our pitching is that good?

We have Adrian who has an outside shot at 30 (I say outside because we haven't had anyone exceed 26 home runs since 2004 since Nevin), then we have Khalil and who knows how many he can hit if he stays healthy? Then comes who? Marcus Giles? Maybe a dozen? Kouzmanoff? Depends on if he gets sent down and gets another opportunity or he gets out of his slump? Cameron? Maybe a dozen out of him. Brian? A dozen at best. Bard? Who knows?

I know the long ball isn't everything, but teams look at that too... outside of Adrian and Branyan, we don't have anyone here that would make pitchers crap in their pants if our best power threats are walked or make an out when their are opportunities to score runs.

.317 OBP which is 12th out of 16 teams in the NL is killing them. I thought Alderson was a big proponent of getting guys that get on base, first and foremost.

This team is mediocre at best.

[BatsareBugs]

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Barfield for Kouz is looking like Bay for Giles/Perez part 2.

That's supposed to be Bay/Perez for Giles. :wink:

Barfield is only doing slightly better than Kouz, but I'm really disappointed in Barfield's start this season. However I don't think he got off to a good start last year so I remain optimistic that keeping him on my fantasy teams will pay off.

As for Kouzmanoff, time will tell. He isn't exactly past his prime like Giles was when we traded for him. I'd just hate for the Padres to send him down. Yes we have Branyan, but there's a reason why he has yet to stick a starting job with previous teams. Patience is key with rookies and I'm glad they're sticking it out with Kouzmanoff, unlike what they did with Nady and Johnson.

[BatsareBugs]

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.317 OBP which is 12th out of 16 teams in the NL is killing them. I thought Alderson was a big proponent of getting guys that get on base, first and foremost.

This team is mediocre at best.

Haha, at least having a lower OBP means less guys are getting left on base. All those years ranking high in OBP only to be at the low-end of the run scoring spectrum.

There's a misperception with moneyball and on-base percentage. Moneyball is more of looking into what the league as a whole undervalues and taking advantage of that. Back when it first originated OBP was the big thing, but teams are starting to pick up on that.

I also think Dave Magadan had a lot to do with OBP as well... not to mention Brian Giles walks have decreased.

I think the opposite though. This team is just killing themselves by underachieving. Cameron gets his head in the game and Kouzmanoff makes his adjustments, different story... but still not championship caliber.

[TheTruth916]

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Yeah how awesome is barfield doing in cleveland I forgot...oh yeah not much better then Kouz...Kouz is just pressing at the plate.

The padres do have enough power its not just about who get hit 30+ Homeruns to determine who has power. SLG Percentage is what determines power and right now granted the padres don't have a guy outside of AG that is doing good. Power is also based off of Xtra base hits not just the long ball. Homeruns are over rated to say the least because thats what everyone says, every season..."The Padres need Power" which means more homeruns..PLEASE to steal line from the great BK keep drinking the baseball Kool-Aide

So, Yes the padres aren't the best baseball team
Yes, Padres aren't the Yankees

but, anyone thats actually a padres fan should only be in this section. I go to other boards to talk about the padres, to talk about other baseball teams but when I come here to talk padres its stupid because no one here is actually a true fan that stands by a team regardless of good or bad. I will always root for the padres win or lose because I am a "PADRE FAN" I am not a bandwagon jumper like some people are. If a San Diego Sports team gets near the playoffs or in the playoffs everyone is jumping at the sight and now are "Padre Fans" or "Charger Fans". San Diego is a horrible sports town with the fans. The Fans that aren't true are the first ones to go out buy stuff the minute they are in a good spot to say oh yeah look at me. I am a charger or padre fan, please. Spare me


I can post what I am hating with the team from the hitting to the pitching, to coaching moves but, anyone can do that but, there is a reason why people sit home, or go to a game and watch instead of sitting in the dugout.

So...GO PADRES LETS GET ONE BACK TONIGHT!

just my .02 cents

[Kelverin]

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no one here is actually a true fan that stands by a team regardless of good or bad.

You do not know your *** from a hole in the ground. I have been going to Padres games since 1969. The Padres have always been "my team" I hate each and every other baseball team with the dodgers being #1. If you know anything about Padres history, there have been some very bad baseball teams, the only time they have been successful in my mind is when they spent money to bring in help. The farm system and their trade practices are usually atrocious. I liked baseball games at the Q. The ownership made a lot of false promises to the fans about the direction the team would take after they got there stadium, John Moores is more concerned about proving other owners wrong then he is in fielding a world series champion. I am tired of losing that is all San Diego teams do. But they are still my team and no one will talk **** about them in front of me without a fight. So before you judge people make sure you know what you are talking about.

[Scottdau]

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You do not know your *** from a hole in the ground. I have been going to Padres games since 1969. The Padres have always been "my team" I hate each and every other baseball team with the dodgers being #1. If you know anything about Padres history, there have been some very bad baseball teams, the only time they have been successful in my mind is when they spent money to bring in help. The farm system and their trade practices are usually atrocious. I liked baseball games at the Q. The ownership made a lot of false promises to the fans about the direction the team would take after they got there stadium, John Moores is more concerned about proving other owners wrong then he is in fielding a world series champion. I am tired of losing that is all San Diego teams do. But they are still my team and no one will talk **** about them in front of me without a fight. So before you judge people make sure you know what you are talking about.

OH boo who! lol I feel you though, that is how us Giants fans feel about our team.

[Psyblast]

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You do not know your *** from a hole in the ground. I have been going to Padres games since 1969. The Padres have always been "my team" I hate each and every other baseball team with the dodgers being #1. If you know anything about Padres history, there have been some very bad baseball teams, the only time they have been successful in my mind is when they spent money to bring in help. The farm system and their trade practices are usually atrocious. I liked baseball games at the Q. The ownership made a lot of false promises to the fans about the direction the team would take after they got there stadium, John Moores is more concerned about proving other owners wrong then he is in fielding a world series champion. I am tired of losing that is all San Diego teams do. But they are still my team and no one will talk **** about them in front of me without a fight. So before you judge people make sure you know what you are talking about.

Watch it. You could've made your point without the insult and the profanity.

[Alliball]

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OH boo who! lol I feel you though, that is how us Giants fans feel about our team.

But Padre fans aren't nearly the jerkoffs Giant fans are. I've never wanted to give a group of fans a collective sock in the mouth as much as Giant fan.

[BatsareBugs]

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Yeah how awesome is barfield doing in cleveland I forgot...oh yeah not much better then Kouz...Kouz is just pressing at the plate.

I'm not going to say anything about Kouz other than the fact that even though Barfield isn't doing that much better himself, that the Padres gave up a good, well-liked player only to have Kouz be the AAA third basemen and blocking the progression of Chase Headley and David Freese. Also, I don't want to see Kouz get Nady'd here.

The padres do have enough power its not just about who get hit 30+ Homeruns to determine who has power. SLG Percentage is what determines power and right now granted the padres don't have a guy outside of AG that is doing good. Power is also based off of Xtra base hits not just the long ball. Homeruns are over rated to say the least because thats what everyone says, every season..."The Padres need Power" which means more homeruns..PLEASE to steal line from the great BK keep drinking the baseball Kool-Aide

Power isn't overrated when it's late in the game and you have a nice 1-2 combo in your lineup that's due up and the pitcher can't walk both of them. Power isn't overrated in the playoffs, just look at what Albert Pujols has managed to do to the Padres the past two years.

Pitching, bullpen, defense, hitting, and power is what you need. We have pitching, we have the bullpen, not sure about the defense because FLD% are so hard to come by, hitting has been inconsistent and underachieving, and power has been like our hitting. You're going to struggle in one area, but if it can't be corrected it's going to rear it's ugly head when it counts.

but, anyone thats actually a padres fan should only be in this section. I go to other boards to talk about the padres, to talk about other baseball teams but when I come here to talk padres its stupid because no one here is actually a true fan that stands by a team regardless of good or bad. I will always root for the padres win or lose because I am a "PADRE FAN" I am not a bandwagon jumper like some people are. If a San Diego Sports team gets near the playoffs or in the playoffs everyone is jumping at the sight and now are "Padre Fans" or "Charger Fans". San Diego is a horrible sports town with the fans. The Fans that aren't true are the first ones to go out buy stuff the minute they are in a good spot to say oh yeah look at me. I am a charger or padre fan, please. Spare me

So we can't criticize this team? We're not allowed to do that even if we are fans? I'll give them the criticism when they deserve it. I'll call them out when they deserve it. I'll give them props when they deserve it. Simple enough.

[Scottdau]

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But Padre fans aren't nearly the jerkoffs Giant fans are. I've never wanted to give a group of fans a collective sock in the mouth as much as Giant fan.

Damn you have a lot of hate you need a hug! The Giants fan at the old Park were thugs and gang bangers. The fans at the new park are more of your businessmen and yuppies. The old park was scary, I would never go to the bleachers at night. They had about 4 fights a night in the bleachers.