The 2009 New York Yankees

[Sandman42]

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Jesus Montero called up to AA.

Looks like I'll have to head down to Trenton to see him in a few games this summer.

[ehh]

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Meh, why waste Hughes in the pen?

[Yanks22]

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i'm getting tired of cano and melky swinging at the first pitch

[djep]

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Meh, why waste Hughes in the pen?

Hughes in the pen makes more sense for this year. I love Hughes and I think he will be a top flight starter eventually (I see a lot of John Lackey in him) but when Wang is right we know what he brings to the table. Wang eats up innings, saves us from using the sad sack part of the bullpen, and is a proven winner in this league. They need to give him some more starts and see if he can right himself. I don't thing Wang was that bad yesterday too. He made some mistakes and was inconsistent for the most part but he had some decent stuff.

Meanwhile Hughes is essentially a two-pitch pitcher right now who can be a flamethrower coming out of the pen. As a starter he'll get you 5 good innings most days but what good is that if we have to use Veras in every one of his starts?

I was fine with either Hughes or Wang coming out of the pen but having an effective Wang in the rotation can really hide the Yanks two most glaring weaknesses - a leaky middle relief corps and a launching pad home ballpark. Wang's sinker can be the equalizer (between 2007 and 2008 Wang gave up just 21 homers in 417 innings) in the launching pad that is new Yankee Stadium.

[bigfnjoe96]

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WTF is Girardi doing....... Why in the h*** did he let CC go back out there to start the 8th...

[Sandman42]

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WTF is Girardi doing....... Why in the h*** did he let CC go back out there to start the 8th...

He was pitching great up till then. I'd trust CC over Aceves or Coke in that spot.

[bigfnjoe96]

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He was pitching great up till then. I'd trust CC over Aceves or Coke in that spot.

Come-on Sandman, he was @ 110 pitches to start the 8th. Rain pouring like a mo-fo. He should have went to Coke or Aceves. I can't believe were gonna lose this F'N game because Girardi can't F'N manage our bullpen

[42]

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Come-on Sandman, he was @ 110 pitches to start the 8th. Rain pouring like a mo-fo. He should have went to Coke or Aceves. I can't believe were gonna lose this F'N game because Girardi can't F'N manage our bullpen

Gotta agree w/ you on this one.

[ehh]

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I don't give a **** what anyone says, I want Joba back in the bullpen. Our bullpen is absolutely useless outside of Rivera, sure we may get to the playoffs but this team has no chance of doing anything in the post season if our bullpen remaining the same. None, it will be another 3-1 loss in the division series. Joba has a good start one out of every 4-5 outings, he'd be far more valuable to this team back in the bullpen.

[bigfnjoe96]

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I don't give a **** what anyone says, I want Joba back in the bullpen. Our bullpen is absolutely useless outside of Rivera, sure we may get to the playoffs but this team has no chance of doing anything in the post season if our bullpen remaining the same. None, it will be another 3-1 loss in the division series. Joba has a good start one out of every 4-5 outings, he'd be far more valuable to this team back in the bullpen.

Totally agree... Can Cashman get this fantasy that Joba is our version of Beckett out of his pea for a brain & put him back into the 8th inning slot, move Hughes back into the rotation & call it a day...

Earth to Cashman, Earth to Cashman put Joba back in the Pen where he belongs

[Yanks22]

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Totally agree... Can Cashman get this fantasy that Joba is our version of Beckett out of his pea for a brain & put him back into the 8th inning slot, move Hughes back into the rotation & call it a day...

Earth to Cashman, Earth to Cashman put Joba back in the Pen where he belongs

i agree with you guys, atleast you'd get joba to pitch close to everyday too. the bullpen is atrociuous. I really dont have a problem with aceves though, i still cant believe he blew the lead last night. but veras? goodbye please, marte? ehhhh. bruney i dunno but we need joba as our 8th inning guy. can you imagine last night if it went cc, joba, mo. signed, sealed and delivered right there my friends and we would of left boston tied for first, but instead we leave hanging our heads back 2 games out now. wtf girardi

[bigfnjoe96]

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Datta boy Joba... Way to show-up today....

[NYJets]

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Totally agree... Can Cashman get this fantasy that Joba is our version of Beckett out of his pea for a brain & put him back into the 8th inning slot, move Hughes back into the rotation & call it a day...

Earth to Cashman, Earth to Cashman put Joba back in the Pen where he belongs

We'll never get our own version of Beckett if we give up on pitchers who are 23 years old with 4 plus pitches.

BTW, I think for now they should both be starters, but if I had to make one of them the 8th inning guy, Hughes makes much more sense than Joba. Joba has had more success as a starter, and Hughes right now is really a 2 pitch pitcher.

By the end of the year they both will be near their innings limits, and both probably in the bullpen for the playoffs anyway, unless one of them pitches so well that they force themselves into a playoff rotation.

[ehh]

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BTW, I think for now they should both be starters, but if I had to make one of them the 8th inning guy, Hughes makes much more sense than Joba. Joba has had more success as a starter, and Hughes right now is really a 2 pitch pitcher.

Joba really is not a successful starter, his control is horrible. His overall numbers may be better than Hughes but when actually watching both pitch Hughes is more impressive to me. When Joba was put in the rotation it was with the mindset that he'd be a #1 or a #2. Right now he's a #5 who once a month shows he's capable of being a #1 or #2 in the future.

Hughes is not a bullpen guy, they were discussing it on the radio and apparently the Yankee coaching staff said Hughes' k-curve is a "feel pitch" for him and is rarely sharp early in games and they aren't that confident he'd be effective with it in the 8th inning role.

Right now Joba in the same boat that Papelbon was in up in Boston two years ago. They were about to make him a starter again and I was thanking my lucky stars but unfortunately they made the smart move and left him in the closer role.

[NYJets]

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Well Hughes has been good in both relief appearances this year and in the playoffs in 07. Small sample, but he still has never failed as a reliever.

Papelbon did not and does not have 4 pitches as good as Joba's. He also requested to pitch in the pen, and the Red Sox didn't want him trying to do something his heart wasn't in.

Joba was put back in the rotation because the Yankees feel that he could be an ace some day. Not because at the age of 23 they expected him to be an ace. He flew threw the minors, and hasn't had a whole lot of development time because they cut his season short in 07 so he could pitch in the pen, pitched him in the pen last year so they could have him for the whole season, and he got hurt. Lots of great starting pitchers have struggled early in their career, I bet most of them could have gone to the bullpen and been successful, but when you have a pitcher who has the stuff to be an ace you give them every chance to become an ace.

And I know some make the argument that we have a $200 million payroll and it's about this season, well with Wang one start away from being taken out of the rotation, I'm not sure it even makes sense for this year to have him in the pen. The rotation has not been good. CC has been a horse, but AJ has been bad, Wang has been historically bad, Pettitte has been a good back of the rotation guy but nothing more, Hughes has looked promising but is very inconsistent. Joba has been the 2nd best starter on the team this year