2009 Cincinnati Reds

**sportsdude** · 09-18-2009, 01:51 AM

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to be completely honest I'd rather keep Joey and trade away Yonder.

**jake44np** · 09-18-2009, 06:21 AM

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Has anyone else noticed that Gomes is a worse LF defensively then Adam Dunn?
I just think it is funny no one on the radio or TV mentions how bad he is out there in LF.
All everyone talked about was how bad Dunn was and everyone says nothing but good things about Gomes.

**Jackdog** · 09-18-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by jake44np

Has anyone else noticed that Gomes is a worse LF defensively then Adam Dunn?
I just think it is funny no one on the radio or TV mentions how bad he is out there in LF.
All everyone talked about was how bad Dunn was and everyone says nothing but good things about Gomes.

Joey to LF. Gomes to 1B. Gomes plays a horrid OF. I hope we keep him and he gets a chance to play more. He could have hit 30+ dingers if given the chance. He could play 1B until Yonder is ready.

**SlimKibbles** · 09-18-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by sportsdude

to be completely honest I'd rather keep Joey and trade away Yonder.

Out of curiosity, what about Yonder are you not a fan of? One thing I've been very impressed with statistics-wise is his K-to-BB ratio. It's almost 1-to-1, which I think is rare for a young power-hitter. Francisco is just the opposite. Grant it, Yonder has a few years on him. I think Yonder is the real deal though. I'd hate to get rid of Joey under any circumstances. Like some have mentioned, move Joey to LF and let Yonder play 1B.

**sportsdude** · 09-19-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by SlimKibbles

Out of curiosity, what about Yonder are you not a fan of? One thing I've been very impressed with statistics-wise is his K-to-BB ratio. It's almost 1-to-1, which I think is rare for a young power-hitter. Francisco is just the opposite. Grant it, Yonder has a few years on him. I think Yonder is the real deal though. I'd hate to get rid of Joey under any circumstances. Like some have mentioned, move Joey to LF and let Yonder play 1B.

I've got nothing against Yonder. I was just saying that if the Reds have to move one of them, I would prefer it to be Yonder because I like Votto a lot and he's proven he can play on the MLB level.

**WWF80sKid** · 09-26-2009, 09:52 PM

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Why is it that the Reds can play really well at the end of the season when everyone knows they can't make the playoffs? It always bums me out...

**SlimKibbles** · 09-27-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by matttype

Why is it that the Reds can play really well at the end of the season when everyone knows they can't make the playoffs? It always bums me out...

Seems this way every year. Teams are playing their younger guys to get them experience, lots of teams have given up, etc. The Reds have played well this decade when they are out of it. Yes, it bums me out too.

**SlimKibbles** · 09-29-2009, 09:18 PM

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Good article about the 10-year anniversary of the '99 team that won 96 games and missed the playoffs. I went to that play-in game against the Mets. Al Leiter was a beast. That game, early on, was the best atmosphere at a Reds game I had been to since the '90 World Series. It was fun. It's a shame they didn't win that game. Not sure if they had the pitching to win a title that year, at least on paper, but team chemistry was so high they might have been able to pull off something special in the postseason.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090929/SPT04/309290030/Reds+still+seek+1999+magic

**jake44np** · 09-30-2009, 09:38 AM

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Another win again last night, I love winning games that dont mean a thing.
The thing is I dont think people realize how much better this team is now compared to the beginning of the year. The biggest difference is our defense, Rolen and Stubbs make a huge difference. I sound like a broken record but why did Willy start in CF last night? Are they hoping he finishes the year strong so they can trade him this off season. If so there is not enough games left for him to impress a team. The only option is to release him!
Here is the line up I would go with next year everyday.
CF Stubbs
SS They need to sign a decent SS this offseason.
1B Votto
2B Phillips
3B Rolen
RF Bruce
LF Gomes (they need to resign him now and play him everyday next year)
C No idea who plays catcher next year. Hannigan??? Hannigan is a decent defensive C but absolutely sucks hitting with men on base. Do you realize he has 250 ABS and 10 rbi's. He is batting .135 with runners in scoring position! HORRIBLE!

**SlimKibbles** · 09-30-2009, 11:04 AM

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You bring up some good points, jake. This team is better than the one that started the season and defense is a huge reason. They've mentioned on the radio that pitchers have said that more than once.

The only reason I can think of as to why Taveras is playing is for what you said, trading him in the offseason. I doubt anyone will want him though.

As far as SS goes, I was checking best fielding SS's out there who have decent offense (better than Janish). It looks like Marco Scutaro is a free agent after this season, unless I'm reading Rotoworld wrong. He had a career year at 33 but he'd probably work fairly cheap and is great defensively. I'd say Jack Wilson but he's expensive for what he provides offensively. One guy they might want to take a look at, and I'm not sure how arbitration eligible players work as far as who owns them, but Erick Aybar might be worth going after. He's only 25, works cheap, great defensively, and hits the ball well (hit over .300 this year). Another one who is arbitration eligible from the Angels who I would love to give a shot to, but is a 2B'man, is Howie Kendrick. I think this kid needs a change of scenery.

I have no idea what they do at catcher. Maybe Chris Snyder from Arizona? I think Miguel Montero took his job. His contract in 2010 says he's going to get him $4.75 in 2010 and $5.75 in 2011. Ronny Paulino of the Marlins might be an option but he's arbitration eligible in 2010 as well.

**jake44np** · 10-01-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by SlimKibbles

You bring up some good points, jake. This team is better than the one that started the season and defense is a huge reason. They've mentioned on the radio that pitchers have said that more than once.

The only reason I can think of as to why Taveras is playing is for what you said, trading him in the offseason. I doubt anyone will want him though.

As far as SS goes, I was checking best fielding SS's out there who have decent offense (better than Janish). It looks like Marco Scutaro is a free agent after this season, unless I'm reading Rotoworld wrong. He had a career year at 33 but he'd probably work fairly cheap and is great defensively. I'd say Jack Wilson but he's expensive for what he provides offensively. One guy they might want to take a look at, and I'm not sure how arbitration eligible players work as far as who owns them, but Erick Aybar might be worth going after. He's only 25, works cheap, great defensively, and hits the ball well (hit over .300 this year). Another one who is arbitration eligible from the Angels who I would love to give a shot to, but is a 2B'man, is Howie Kendrick. I think this kid needs a change of scenery.

I have no idea what they do at catcher. Maybe Chris Snyder from Arizona? I think Miguel Montero took his job. His contract in 2010 says he's going to get him $4.75 in 2010 and $5.75 in 2011. Ronny Paulino of the Marlins might be an option but he's arbitration eligible in 2010 as well.

I would love Erick Aybar but he is not going to be cheap, he is going to get a large long term deal from someone. If the Angels want to keep him they can afford him and we cant.
Do you watch the game last night? The Cowboy was talking about how this team now has an idenity. They know they are a pretty good team now and are playing with a ton of confidence. He also said Dusty can win with this team after adding Rolen. He said Dusty has always needed a guy like Rolen to make the other plays accountable. He said Rolen will call out a guy if he is not hustling or playing smart baseball. That is the thing they are doing now, they are playing smart bball. They are hitting behind runners, hitting the cutoff man, ect., ect. These are things they didnt do last year or at the beginning of this year.
The Cowboy said this team is really coming into its own and will be a team that will contend next year. He said it is hard to explain but you can just tell when a team is on the verge of great things, and he says the Reds are on the verge of great things.

**SlimKibbles** · 10-01-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by jake44np

I would love Erick Aybar but he is not going to be cheap, he is going to get a large long term deal from someone. If the Angels want to keep him they can afford him and we cant.
Do you watch the game last night? The Cowboy was talking about how this team now has an idenity. They know they are a pretty good team now and are playing with a ton of confidence. He also said Dusty can win with this team after adding Rolen. He said Dusty has always needed a guy like Rolen to make the other plays accountable. He said Rolen will call out a guy if he is not hustling or playing smart baseball. That is the thing they are doing now, they are playing smart bball. They are hitting behind runners, hitting the cutoff man, ect., ect. These are things they didnt do last year or at the beginning of this year.
The Cowboy said this team is really coming into its own and will be a team that will contend next year. He said it is hard to explain but you can just tell when a team is on the verge of great things, and he says the Reds are on the verge of great things.

I did watch the game and heard him talking about that. He's right too. They really have played well since he got here. I mean aren't they in a tie with the Yankees for the best record in baseball since Aug. 2, or something like that? I really hope Rolen got on Phillips for that lazy turning of the DP opportunity in the 9th that would have ended the game. If they would have lost the game due to that, I'd hope that someone would have torn Brandon a new one.

It's going to be interesting to see who is still around in 2010. I don't think they're going to keep their pitching intact. I think Harang or Arroyo will be gone. But, who knows?

**PhantomPain** · 10-02-2009, 07:02 PM

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If we would get a new hitting coach I think that would get us in the right direction.

With that said, this is a BIG step toward that (right direction) IMO.

**SlimKibbles** · 10-02-2009, 10:01 PM

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Some interesting names are thrown out there as a replacement for Pole. Dave Duncan would be a big get for them. Had no idea he had become unhappy in St. Louis. On the cheaper side of things, Ted Power has done a good job with the Bats. He might be worthy of a promotion. I'm not sure about Mario Soto. I love the guy but can he relate to the non-Latin pitchers? That'd be the only concern I have.

Like you said, I think Jacoby needs to go too. I'm not sure who they bring in though. What is Rod Carew doing these days? How much does Larkin like his job with MLB.TV?

Absolute insane idea is if Pete Rose were to somehow get re-instated, he could be hitting coach. Can you imagine that???

**PhantomPain** · 10-03-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by SlimKibbles

Some interesting names are thrown out there as a replacement for Pole. Dave Duncan would be a big get for them. Had no idea he had become unhappy in St. Louis. On the cheaper side of things, Ted Power has done a good job with the Bats. He might be worthy of a promotion. I'm not sure about Mario Soto. I love the guy but can he relate to the non-Latin pitchers? That'd be the only concern I have.

Like you said, I think Jacoby needs to go too. I'm not sure who they bring in though. What is Rod Carew doing these days? How much does Larkin like his job with MLB.TV?

Absolute insane idea is if Pete Rose were to somehow get re-instated, he could be hitting coach. Can you imagine that???

For Rose I would think a "hustle coach" would be best for him, maybe teach Phillips something:wink:

Of course even if he is ever reinstated it would likely be with the clause he can never work in baseball again.

I like Powers as a replacement. He has done a VERY good job in AAA, is already with the organization and would be cheaper for the team. I am all for him getting a shot.

With that said, I wouldn't mind Duncan at all. I just want someone who can develop this mass amount of young talent we have.

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