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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #181
    Re: Selection Sunday Thread

    Originally posted by lonewolf371
    It did for Ohio State. And Kansas. And Memphis. And North Carolina. And Florida. And Duke, but in the opposite way. Overall, talent seems to matter quite a bit.
    Experience > Talent
    #RespectTheCulture

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    • justblaze09
      Swaggy Poole
      • Mar 2007
      • 3523

      #182
      Re: Selection Sunday Thread

      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
      Experience > Talent
      Looking at that list, experience only helped in Florida's and North Carolina's case.

      But your original statement was talent didn't mean a damn thing, which is nonsense cause it has been ages where a National Champion hasn't had some type of execllent talent on their team.
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      • Chip Douglass
        Hall Of Fame
        • Dec 2005
        • 12256

        #183
        Re: Selection Sunday Thread

        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
        Experience > Talent
        None of the examples he provided support that.

        2006 Florida had "experience", but they also had 3 lottery picks on the team.
        I write things on the Internet.

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        • ProfessaPackMan
          Bamma
          • Mar 2008
          • 63852

          #184
          Re: Selection Sunday Thread

          Originally posted by justblaze09
          Looking at that list, experience only helped in Florida's and North Carolina's case.

          But your original statement was talent didn't mean a damn thing, which is nonsense cause it has been ages where a National Champion hasn't had some type of execllent talent on their team.
          Yea I admit I kind've worded it wrong with that. What I was trying to say is that Experience definitely helps you MORE in the NCAAs than just having straight talent does.
          #RespectTheCulture

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          • BunnyHardaway
            Banned
            • Nov 2004
            • 15195

            #185
            Re: Selection Sunday Thread

            Sadly, the only experience > talent example that I can think of is '99 UConn over Duke. Richard Hamilton was the only 1st round pick on their roster, and unless I'm missing someone, Khalid El-Amin and Jake Voskuhl were the only other two even drafted, whereas Duke had 5 future lottery picks in Avery, Brand, Battier, Maggette, and Langdon.

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            • Cebby
              Banned
              • Apr 2005
              • 22327

              #186
              Re: Selection Sunday Thread

              Originally posted by justblaze09
              Looking at that list, experience only helped in Florida's and North Carolina's case.

              But your original statement was talent didn't mean a damn thing, which is nonsense cause it has been ages where a National Champion hasn't had some type of execllent talent on their team.
              I don't think experience really helped those teams much.

              The first Florida team was four sophomores and a junior, but the junior was the worst of the starting five.

              North Carolina was an older team its final year, but I don't think it was experience as much as it was development of Lawson and a much, much worse field. The previous two years they lost to Kansas and Georgetown and I think they would have lost to those teams last year if they had played them (not the 08-09 teams but the exact incarnations they lost to).

              Some players need to develop and thus play better as upperclassmen. Wall, Cousins, and Bledsoe are talented to begin with and do not need additional time.

              They could certainly lose, but that's because anyone can lose in a one game scenario. Duke returned everyone but Battier (might have been another player) from the 2001 team and lost in the Sweet 16.

              Elite talent beets out mediocre players and experience by this time in the year.

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              • justblaze09
                Swaggy Poole
                • Mar 2007
                • 3523

                #187
                Re: Selection Sunday Thread

                When I said Florida, I was talking about the second year. I know for a fact the first year the team really didn't have the experience.
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                Originally posted by Bruins
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                • lonewolf371
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 3420

                  #188
                  Re: Selection Sunday Thread

                  Originally posted by Cebby
                  I don't think experience really helped those teams much.

                  The first Florida team was four sophomores and a junior, but the junior was the worst of the starting five.

                  North Carolina was an older team its final year, but I don't think it was experience as much as it was development of Lawson and a much, much worse field. The previous two years they lost to Kansas and Georgetown and I think they would have lost to those teams last year if they had played them (not the 08-09 teams but the exact incarnations they lost to).

                  Some players need to develop and thus play better as upperclassmen. Wall, Cousins, and Bledsoe are talented to begin with and do not need additional time.

                  They could certainly lose, but that's because anyone can lose in a one game scenario. Duke returned everyone but Battier (might have been another player) from the 2001 team and lost in the Sweet 16.

                  Elite talent beets out mediocre players and experience by this time in the year.
                  I will say this on his side: I think that a lot of times more experienced teams will beat more talented teams in the earlier rounds of the tournament. But I don't think your team can lack talent if you want to be in the championship game or the Final Four. George Mason was the exception.
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                  • larrygiterdone
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 3037

                    #189
                    Re: Selection Sunday Thread

                    i dont understand the hate for Zoubek

                    the guy is an absolute beast on the offensive glass which is where he scores most of his points from anyway, he doesnt really take many shots as he only takes 14 percent of the shots when hes on the floor

                    he probably could turn the ball over less and probably should get to the free throw line more for somebody who is such a good offensive rebounder but his offensive game is actually very very solid for what he does

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                    • mKoz26
                      In case you forgot...
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 4685

                      #190
                      Re: Selection Sunday Thread

                      Originally posted by JJLinn
                      Sadly, the only experience > talent example that I can think of is '99 UConn over Duke. Richard Hamilton was the only 1st round pick on their roster, and unless I'm missing someone, Khalid El-Amin and Jake Voskuhl were the only other two even drafted, whereas Duke had 5 future lottery picks in Avery, Brand, Battier, Maggette, and Langdon.
                      Kansas v Memphis qualifies, no?
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                      • ryanm1058123
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 3628

                        #191
                        Re: Selection Sunday Thread

                        Originally posted by larrygiterdone
                        i dont understand the hate for Zoubek

                        the guy is an absolute beast on the offensive glass which is where he scores most of his points from anyway, he doesnt really take many shots as he only takes 14 percent of the shots when hes on the floor

                        he probably could turn the ball over less and probably should get to the free throw line more for somebody who is such a good offensive rebounder but his offensive game is actually very very solid for what he does
                        What makes him different from a mid major big man?

                        Thats exactly the point - who cares about Zoubek? Why is he an issue?

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                        • crques
                          All Star
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 5048

                          #192
                          Re: Selection Sunday Thread

                          Originally posted by Krioniq
                          Duke has significantly more competent players on the inside this year than they have had any year since Sheldon Williams left, IMO. None of the guys are all-conference caliber, but they have significant depth with little drop-off between Zoubek, both Plumlees, and Thomas.

                          IMO, so long as Kyle Singler continues to play well, Duke is going to be a very tough out for any team.
                          There's no way they deserved that #1 seed in my opinion and not only did they jump Syracuse for the 3rd seed overall, but then they were rewarded with the easiest bracket. I'm sick of the "red carpet" treatment for Duke year after year. It's just ridiculous.

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                          • NovaStar
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 3561

                            #193
                            Re: Selection Sunday Thread

                            Originally posted by Cebby
                            How the **** does Duke get the easiest bracket?
                            I'm sayin!! This is the joke of the freakin tournament! How does Duke, who played in the watered down ACC, jump Syracuse as the 3rd #1 seed, get the play in game (I thought the overall #1 seed was supposed to get that) then get the easiest brackett? This is blatant favoritism for coach K. What a freakin joke.

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                            • KG
                              Welcome Back
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 17583

                              #194
                              Re: Selection Sunday Thread

                              Catching up on the thread.

                              Duke getting the 3rd #1 seed over Cuse was laughable. I have no problem with them being a #1 seed but their road looks to be hand picked by Coach K.

                              UT in the 2nd round is no given at all. They have the better player in Aminu, better size down low, and one of the fastest players in the country (Ish Smith).

                              And give me Talent any day over Experience. Experience is for mid-majors who don't have the talent to consistently bang with the big boys.

                              If Kentucky isn't a serious title contender than I don't know who is. Like ehh said, you're zone is going to have to be serious to stop Wall/Bledsoe from penetrating and all the teams in the top half of their brackets are man-to-man squads. Maybe(huge maybe) Wiscy or Temple could frustrate them with their slow down styles but neither one of them would scare me if I was a UK fan.
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                              • lonewolf371
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 3420

                                #195
                                Re: Selection Sunday Thread

                                Originally posted by mKoz26
                                Kansas v Memphis qualifies, no?
                                Kansas had 5 draft picks on that team, 2 first rounders. It doesn't qualify.
                                Last edited by lonewolf371; 03-15-2010, 09:16 AM.
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