There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

[DreSki]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Never thought id say what im about to say as someone who buys the game every year faithfully but i dont like 2k this year. Way too much bumping on the perimeter and being forced to take bad mid range jumpers by bad defensive players. Feels like im playing against Tony Allen or Bruce Bowen every game in my MyCareer and its just more frustrating then fun.

Personally i think im done with the game until the patch hits or somthing just not worth the aggravation right now.

[TheVet1978]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Never thought id say what im about to say as someone who buys the game every year faithfully but i dont like 2k this year. Way too much bumping on the perimeter and being forced to take bad mid range jumpers by bad defensive players. Feels like im playing against Tony Allen or Bruce Bowen every game in my MyCareer and its just more frustrating then fun.

Personally i think im done with the game until the patch hits or somthing just not worth the aggravation right now.

And the bumping (and grabbing, which is illegal as an offensive lineman in the NFL) goes uncalled. The only time the crazy bump is called is if you get pushed out of bounds. At least they fixed that one from last year. But, waaaay too much bumping. Would be IMMEDIATELY called for a foul if we stay true to sim.

*What's really funny is how you slow down to allow the bump when you get a step or 2 on the defender. Well, maybe "funny" isn't the best way to describe it.

[pack4life69]

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Unfortunately due to recently history I dont have as much faith in patches.

The 2k team is one of the best (the fact devs come on this board and some come from this board speak to that) but ive worked with huge companies who jack stuff up all the time by releasing simple "fixes" to software. The simplest change can affect another component in ways you never would dream of.

It hasn't even been out a week yet and people complaining so bad to make this game easy. Just play the game a few weeks before demanding a patch.

Seems like only way to save this game is by disconnecting my ps4 from the internet.

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[DreSki]

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And the bumping (and grabbing, which is illegal as an offensive lineman in the NFL) goes uncalled. The only time the crazy bump is called is if you get pushed out of bounds. At least they fixed that one from last year. But, waaaay too much bumping. Would be IMMEDIATELY called for a foul if we stay true to sim.

*What's really funny is how you slow down to allow the bump when you get a step or 2 on the defender. Well, maybe "funny" isn't the best way to describe it.

Pretty much. Dont get me wrong i understand why this had to be done. Zig zag cheese and overpowering offense ran rampant last year online so i get it but the bumping just seems so excessive.

There really needs to be a way to play good D without excessively getting bumped all around. I definitely want there to be defense tho. Dont want another 3 point and dunk contest game like last year felt like but there needs to be a better way.

[CaseIH]

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I love the defense this year. User on-ball, CPU on-ball, A.I. off ball.......everything. Taking this out of 2k16 would be like taking aggressive catching out of Madden 16....it would destroy the identity of the game.

I wish people would stop complaining and just take the time to learn and adjust to the game. Sometimes it won't be instantly. We need to learn patience. Here are some tips I use that are very effective if you want to ISO:

1) Setup the defender with sizeups and hesitations. Hesi's are especially good because they get the CPU leaning to a specific side.

2) Always pay attention to your defender's feet and his body momentum. If you catch a defender shifting/hopping to one side.....that is your cue to attack the other side.

3) Hold R2 during and after a crossover to explode into a drive. The explosion is the most important part of the process and it allows you to get that quick burst needed when your defender commits too much to one side.

The below videos are examples of what I am talking about. Difficulty is on Superstar and its against Paul George, a lockdown defender. Kobe is good but doesn't even have the best ball-handling compared to lots of other guys


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I agree, game has been out a little over a week, and people are crying about it being too hard. I don't want to see happen to this game what happened to last years game, where 2k listens to all the crybabies and changes things an it ruins the game, as they did with making shooting too easy last year. Then they try to fix it by global lowering of -8 for shooting mid and 3pt, which ruined sim stats in My League. People need to learn how to play basketball rather than video games now days, as NBA2k has gotten to where it reflects real life pretty darn well in a video game. Obviously not perfect yet, but this years game is amazing gameplay wise. If people want a less sim basketball game then go play EA's game, and if your a offline gamer then just put sliders on casual if you want it easier. I don't play online ever, so I don't know how it plays, but offline I just cant get enough of this game, and I never thought I would say this, but NBA2k16 might even be better than MLBTS is, an if My League, and My GM don't have breaking sim stat issues then I will definitely say this game beats MLBTS and its not even all that close, and IMo year in and year out MLBTS is by far the best game made, so that's high praise coming from me to say that this year NBA2k is possibly better than The Show.

[Sovartus]

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Some of you make some great points. The biggest thing for me is that a Chris Paul should be able beat a poor defender, and for the most part he can, but it doesn't feel natural to do so in the context of what I'm trying to do offensively. The other part of this is that more times than not, in the real NBA, a ball handler is receiving a screen to free him up to make plays, not one on one isolations. For me, it's not so much "broken" from a video game give and take point of view, as much as it is simply not fundamentally sound basketball.

Maybe there is a point where you just have to decide if it just isn't realistic enough for you to enjoy. After all, just a few years ago people were complaining about it being too easy to get to the rim. I'd prefer too hard one on one like it is now although it is rather unrealistic at times. The only problem with it is the lack of transition speed into sets. It takes too long to get set and run something geared toward your offense. Even though AI players are much smarter, they still have very little common sense and therefore make dumb decisions at crucial moments sometimes. I like the game overall though, they have done a pretty good job with it.


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[ch46647]

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Some of you make some great points. The biggest thing for me is that a Chris Paul should be able beat a poor defender, and for the most part he can, but it doesn't feel natural to do so in the context of what I'm trying to do offensively. The other part of this is that more times than not, in the real NBA, a ball handler is receiving a screen to free him up to make plays, not one on one isolations. For me, it's not so much "broken" from a video game give and take point of view, as much as it is simply not fundamentally sound basketball.

Maybe there is a point where you just have to decide if it just isn't realistic enough for you to enjoy. After all, just a few years ago people were complaining about it being too easy to get to the rim. I'd prefer too hard one on one like it is now although it is rather unrealistic at times. The only problem with it is the lack of transition speed into sets. It takes too long to get set and run something geared toward your offense. Even though AI players are much smarter, they still have very little common sense and therefore make dumb decisions at crucial moments sometimes. I like the game overall though, they have done a pretty good job with it.


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I agrew with the transition speed into sets. The freestyle offenses are GREAT, but things need to move quicker for them to be more effective.

Maybe that is something Czar is looking into...

Same goes for a lot of the plays..

[SolidSquid]

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I agrew with the transition speed into sets. The freestyle offenses are GREAT, but things need to move quicker for them to be more effective.

Maybe that is something Czar is looking into...

Same goes for a lot of the plays..

Usually by the time freestyle offense starts I have like 14 seconds left on the clock

[FR3SH1]

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CPU cheats on defense. If a human can't dodge 100 percent of the cpu off ball screens or picks but a weak cpu defender can stay with you after being screened by a big man is ridiculous. Yes there are work arounds. But you shouldn't feel like you're being guarded by a great defender even against weaker opponents

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[TheVet1978]

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I agree, game has been out a little over a week, and people are crying about it being too hard. I don't want to see happen to this game what happened to last years game, where 2k listens to all the crybabies and changes things an it ruins the game, as they did with making shooting too easy last year. Then they try to fix it by global lowering of -8 for shooting mid and 3pt, which ruined sim stats in My League. People need to learn how to play basketball rather than video games now days, as NBA2k has gotten to where it reflects real life pretty darn well in a video game. Obviously not perfect yet, but this years game is amazing gameplay wise. If people want a less sim basketball game then go play EA's game, and if your a offline gamer then just put sliders on casual if you want it easier. I don't play online ever, so I don't know how it plays, but offline I just cant get enough of this game, and I never thought I would say this, but NBA2k16 might even be better than MLBTS is, an if My League, and My GM don't have breaking sim stat issues then I will definitely say this game beats MLBTS and its not even all that close, and IMo year in and year out MLBTS is by far the best game made, so that's high praise coming from me to say that this year NBA2k is possibly better than The Show.

Lol...Are you serious? It's not about it being "EASY"...It's about it being REALISTIC. Some people will just never get it. Have to learn to accept this.

[DonWuan]

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CPU cheats on defense. If a human can't dodge 100 percent of the cpu off ball screens or picks but a weak cpu defender can stay with you after being screened by a big man is ridiculous. Yes there are work arounds. But you shouldn't feel like you're being guarded by a great defender even against weaker opponents

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Yeah was playing memphis today and noticed how often the player I was controlling was all over the ground. Could do nothing but laugh a little.

[CaseIH]

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Lol...Are you serious? It's not about it being "EASY"...It's about it being REALISTIC. Some people will just never get it. Have to learn to accept this.

And what some are asking for, will more than likely break the game like 2k devs did last year with making shooting to easy. That's why I said game may not be perfect but its the closest they have ever gotten. Sure there are some annoying things that has been mentioned in this thread, I don't disagree whats said really, but I know how 2k patches things like this, and it typically ends up making things worse. Id rather it be like it is than them attempt to fix it and ruin the game. There are things with on ball D I wish they would clean up, but they also then need to up the Help D so you just don't blow by your guy on the way to a easy bucket, and you can bet if they fix what you want fixed, it will be just that a easy way right to the bucket.

[strawberryshortcake]

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CPU cheats on defense. If a human can't dodge 100 percent of the cpu off ball screens or picks but a weak cpu defender can stay with you after being screened by a big man is ridiculous. Yes there are work arounds. But you shouldn't feel like you're being guarded by a great defender even against weaker opponents

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Then you're not doing it right. I am usually able get around the screen easily, or go over the screen to stay with the defender even if the CPU tries to set a screen. It's not difficult to avoid getting trapped in the screen. Honestly, I think the CPU needs to be much, much better at setting screens. It's too easy to get around the CPU screens, rendering them pretty much ineffective.

On the flip side, it's fairly easy to screen off the CPU with plenty of success. You just have to feather your ball handler in the direction/angle that allows your teammate to shield off the defender. Even if you have already set the screen, you can still move your ball handler freely and this will also trigger your teammate to make small adjustments to screen the CPU defense.

People automatically scream cheat when all it takes is practice and an understanding of the mechanics.

[Ownal0t]

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[ataman5]

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I can probably guarantee zig zag cheese is going to come back. The repercussions for taming down the existing on-ball defense will also mean the user's on-ball defense gets nerfed. Developers should look to remove warps and whatever hitches there are, but the existing level of on ball defense for defenders are fine.

When on-ball defense is nerfed, my educated guess is the on-ball defense gets nerfed for both cpu and user. My guess is selective nerfing of on-ball defense is going to be difficult to accomplish. If cpu gets nerfed, so will the user controlled team. The way the current mechanics of playing user on-ball defense I'm going to assume is somehow also tied to the way the cpu plays on-ball defense. You change one system for the cpu, you're indirectly changing the same system for the user.

I just played a game against the Nuggests in MyLeague and decided to save and exit. I am up 30 points at the half. Will resume later on.



We'll see how it goes with the patch.

But as it stands now, I personally don't see an issue with the defenders. Terrible defenders are terrible. Good defenders are good. I hate to bring back the point of "stick skills," (because honestly my stick stills suck; everyone on this forum likely has better stick skills than I do, even those that continue to make remarks about the on-ball defense being overly powerful). Because it truly, actually matters. (Not referring to warps or majestic sliding), but haven't you been introduced something in life where it's a difficult challenge initially, but overtime it simply became second nature and you could do it in your sleep?

You can blow by a weak defender if the gamer's stick still is good enough. Instant gratification within the first week of the game release is not something gamers should shoot for. Where is the patience to put in the practice.


I'm going to quote something from another thread.





Just because a select group of individuals can't easily blow by terrible defenders, doesn't mean it's impossible because it's clearly shown by other gamers that it's possible. What does that mean? It does come down to stick skills.

People are talking about outside wide open jumpers not being made. Same argument applies. Initially, I had struggles with outside jumpers, I didn't complain. The more work I put into it, most open jump shots falls for me.

Developers created the existing on-ball defense for a reason. They are ballers themselves. They know basketball. If the patch truly implements on-ball defensive changes, the game will become too easy for those that are blowing by on-ball defenders and guess what, it could be totally unplayable for those individuals because these gamers will be bored out of their minds.

I'll say it again....

You can overcome a challenge, but you can never overcome the boredom of beating an easy cpu.

QFT!!! Well from now on all we can do is to pray and trust Mike Wang will do it right and hope everything will turn out right rather than all being nerfed.


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