Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

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  • DolfanDave
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    • Dec 2002
    • 215

    #91
    Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

    Originally posted by OldHead
    The OP has uploaded over 30 YouTube videos as evidence. Even if I try, it's impossible to explain anything going on in them in terms of poor defensive awareness, basketball logic etc. These guys aren't behaving like NBA level players on the floor. More like elementary or middle school, and this is not an exaggeration.

    This has to be the most dam-ing post I've seen on OS in the past 3 years as it relates to 2K. I see that Sam Pham put out a video exposing Live for it's terrible defensive logic/non-adaptiveness. Maybe I missed it.. . But, where is a similarly explosive critique video of 2k16???

    Has there been any official response to the debacle that is transition defense this year (strange zoning and lethargic out of context backpedaling and 0 awareness), or the indefensible behavior of defensive players leaving pure shooters to seek the paint for no reason? I find it bizarre that this slipped through QA. I noticed the pattern by the 27th of last month...On about my 4th H2H match.
    They know about it because they programmed this transition logic in 2k15 and probably before but in 2k15 for sure i have video of that but it wasn't bad enough for me not to enjoy 2k15 like i would like too but 2k16 is. Also, this ain't new, it just got worst in 2k16 so it exposed what was already "baked in the cake" so to speak. But it can be cleaned up if it isn't possible/feasible to completely rewrite transition logic in a patch. That is my hope as I haven't even touched myleague, mycareer etc because as is this is a casual pickup game for me.

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    • apollooff320
      Banned
      • Oct 2007
      • 1456

      #92
      Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

      Originally posted by OldHead
      The OP has uploaded over 30 YouTube videos as evidence. Even if I try, it's impossible to explain anything going on in them in terms of poor defensive awareness, basketball logic etc. These guys aren't behaving like NBA level players on the floor. More like elementary or middle school, and this is not an exaggeration.

      This has to be the most dam-ing post I've seen on OS in the past 3 years as it relates to 2K. I see that Sam Pham put out a video exposing Live for it's terrible defensive logic/non-adaptiveness. Maybe I missed it.. . But, where is a similarly explosive critique video of 2k16???

      Has there been any official response to the debacle that is transition defense this year (strange zoning and lethargic out of context backpedaling and 0 awareness), or the indefensible behavior of defensive players leaving pure shooters to seek the paint for no reason? I find it bizarre that this slipped through QA. I noticed the pattern by the 27th of last month...On about my 4th H2H match.
      funny because I knew he wasn't going to do the same thing to 2K. He knows there's a problem since he post videos exposing the bad AI defense but he doesn't even mention in his videos about it. I do see top youtubers yelling while playing about the bad defense though.

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      • OldHead
        Banned
        • Oct 2015
        • 64

        #93
        Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

        Originally posted by apollooff320
        funny because I knew he wasn't going to do the same thing to 2K. He knows there's a problem since he post videos exposing the bad AI defense but he doesn't even mention in his videos about it. I do see top youtubers yelling while playing about the bad defense though.
        Yes...Mysteriously silent when it comes to his "advanced stick/sim skills" and, somehow, not highlighting this problem in any meaningful way. Lol. I can't think of any other explanation other than him being completely nonobjective. Correct me if I'm wrong...But, he even mentioned in that hitpiece the fact that he doesn't really play Live, but he had to say something because he "wants to see the game keep on improving". So, where's the 2k version of that video?? I want to see 2k improve too.

        Again. There are at least 30 videos that the OP has made showing CLEAR failures in defensive AI in 2K16 (and there are plenty more if you just do a quick search)....30 VIDEOS!
        Last edited by OldHead; 10-11-2015, 12:10 PM.

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        • DolfanDave
          Rookie
          • Dec 2002
          • 215

          #94
          Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

          Originally posted by OldHead
          Yes...Mysteriously silent when it comes to his "advanced stick/sim skills" and, somehow, not highlighting this problem in any meaningful way. Lol. I can't think of any other explanation other than him being completely nonobjective. Correct me if I'm wrong...But, he even mentioned in that hitpiece the fact that he doesn't really play Live, but he had to say something because he "wants to see the game keep on improving". So, where's the 2k version of that video?? I want to see 2k improve too.

          Again. There are at least 30 videos that the OP has made showing CLEAR failures in defensive AI in 2K16 (and there are plenty more if you just do a quick search)....30 VIDEOS!
          Honestly you don't even need my videos. The "preprogrammed logic no matter what" logic happens on ever missed few throw or missed shot after the defense rebound and it put you at a disadvantage/advantage 90% of the time. Doesn't matter if you own PS4 or xbox as this is the transition code and anyone can see it just hit instant reply after going past half court after getting defensive rebound and you will see one of 3 things I mentioned.

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          • The 24th Letter
            ERA
            • Oct 2007
            • 39373

            #95
            Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

            Speaking of fairness...interesting, haven't seen you guys over in the other forum either....

            Sam Pham has a Twitter and. YouTube channel where he checks the comments frequently. Why not address him there instead of exchanging backhanded shade here?


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            • OldHead
              Banned
              • Oct 2015
              • 64

              #96
              Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
              Speaking of fairness...interesting, haven't seen you guys over in the other forum either....

              Sam Pham has a Twitter and. YouTube channel where he checks the comments frequently. Why not address him there instead of exchanging backhanded shade here?


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              I don't think that I need an official response from ItchyRoll to know what's going on. I'm not chasing him around twitter or anywhere else for one either.

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              • The 24th Letter
                ERA
                • Oct 2007
                • 39373

                #97
                Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                Originally posted by OldHead
                I don't think that I need an official response from ItchyRoll to know what's going on. I'm not chasing him around twitter or anywhere else for one either.

                We're all grown men, it's off putting going dissing his credibility in here like b shop gossip....hell, you could even quote him...

                Don't know if your actually new to the forums or have been lurking, but if you have, you'd know itchy doesn't have an issue speaking on issues...

                Sorry, can't let the name of some one who actually contributes to the community be drug through the mud w/o saying something...


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                • OldHead
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2015
                  • 64

                  #98
                  Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                  Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                  We're all grown men, it's off putting going dissing his credibility in here like b shop gossip....hell, you could even quote him...

                  Don't know if your actually new to the forums or have been lurking, but if you have, you'd know itchy doesn't have an issue speaking on issues...

                  Sorry, can't let the name of some one who actually contributes to the community be drug through the mud w/o saying something...


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                  Fair enough.

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                  • DolfanDave
                    Rookie
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 215

                    #99
                    Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                    This thread are about issues we are seeing in 2k please don't derail this thread with back and forth stuff that has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

                    Thanks in advance

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                    • Sundown
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 3270

                      #100
                      Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                      Originally posted by OldHead
                      Yes...Mysteriously silent when it comes to his "advanced stick/sim skills" and, somehow, not highlighting this problem in any meaningful way. Lol. I can't think of any other explanation other than him being completely nonobjective. Correct me if I'm wrong...But, he even mentioned in that hitpiece the fact that he doesn't really play Live, but he had to say something because he "wants to see the game keep on improving". So, where's the 2k version of that video?? I want to see 2k improve too.

                      Again. There are at least 30 videos that the OP has made showing CLEAR failures in defensive AI in 2K16 (and there are plenty more if you just do a quick search)....30 VIDEOS!

                      I'd rather him work towards exposing issues to improve 2K than Live.

                      So why not ask him to make a critique video? Maybe he's objective. Maybe he's not. But seems way more fair and productive to ask him to do so than casting unflattering motivations, especially if we say we're really interested in the game improving.

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                      • DolfanDave
                        Rookie
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 215

                        #101
                        Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                        Sigh, I shouldn't join in but I'm going to say something and then move on. I personally have no problem with Sam. Actually I subscribed to his channel when it first came out because it was/is good content. But whether he say anything or not doesn't have much weight like a Chris smoove, ipod, shakedown so my opinion is don't waste time complaining about a "small fry" in the youtuber universe with no pull. Not being disrespectful just stating facts based on subscription and views. But I like sam videos better than the ones I named because he is giving me nuggets 100% like da czar . Much respect to Sam Pham!!

                        Last thing. It is possible that many people know about the problem but are able to look past it and adjust and still think it is great. I am not that person but I can see others enjoying because their expectations are different than mines.

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                        • shayellis
                          Rookie
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 371

                          #102
                          Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                          Originally posted by EarvGotti
                          This is a serious problem because it does not allow you to slow the game down. I can't even play like the Spurs in real life because nobody gets back on defense. If they fix this, you would be able to actually slow down the pace of the game and turn it into a half-court execution game.

                          Right now, guys are getting bailed out with easy fastbreak points and don't even have to execute a sound offense. Yet when i try to execute an actual offense, i miss the shot and they get quick easy buckets. What happened to cutting the cheese 2k?

                          This also kills the offensive rebounding in the game. It doesn't make sense having offensive rebounders on your team because you can't crash the offensive glass. If you try to........you'll be beat down court in 1.5 seconds. So you are forced to put all your guys in Limit Transition and guess what.....no one is in the paint to grab the offensive board. These things are killing the game for me and its sad to say but I don't even feel like playing much anymore.
                          Very true. I always put my POE on Patient offense, but that works to no avail because of these issues
                          PSN: UVE_HAD_ENOUGH

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                          • DolfanDave
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 215

                            #103
                            Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                            Here is a new video focusing on offball defender "man crush" on the ballhandler. Whether transition or half court defenders get infatuated with the ball handler causing all kinds of mayhem. I just don't wanna win or lose due to players doing something that just isn't real. Doubleteam is set to manual but it don't matter.



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                            • YDBoUnCe
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 184

                              #104
                              Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                              This is a major problem. Every missed or made shot should not turn into a fast break. Games are in perpetual fast break because of this. There needs to be smarter decisions on behalf of the AI. You can pretty much force the ball up court on every possession and rarely does your opponent have to run a half court offense which is a major part of basketball. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying teams should not be able to force the tempo but the way 2k does it is by making transition defense incompetent. Even after makes, I can guarantee the 2 and 3 positions are already zooming past defenders that are "zoning" or just flat out snoozing, to catch a full court bomb from a clumsy big man to either dunk it, shoot a 3, pass it off to force a "covered" layup or alley oop it. The full and half court heaves need to go, big men and defenders in general need to run back, interior d needs improvement, the lead pass needs to stop creating artifical momentum and the baseline shield/magic (I can explain if need be) needs to be done away with . I don't mind transition buckets for the opponent but it's poorly implemented here. Great thread, hopefully these issues are patched.

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                              • DolfanDave
                                Rookie
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 215

                                #105
                                Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                                Originally posted by YDBoUnCe
                                This is a major problem. Every missed or made shot should not turn into a fast break. Games are in perpetual fast break because of this. There needs to be smarter decisions on behalf of the AI. You can pretty much force the ball up court on every possession and rarely does your opponent have to run a half court offense which is a major part of basketball. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying teams should not be able to force the tempo but the way 2k does it is by making transition defense incompetent. Even after makes, I can guarantee the 2 and 3 positions are already zooming past defenders that are "zoning" or just flat out snoozing, to catch a full court bomb from a clumsy big man to either dunk it, shoot a 3, pass it off to force a "covered" layup or alley oop it. The full and half court heaves need to go, big men and defenders in general need to run back, interior d needs improvement, the lead pass needs to stop creating artifical momentum and the baseline shield/magic (I can explain if need be) needs to be done away with . I don't mind transition buckets for the opponent but it's poorly implemented here. Great thread, hopefully these issues are patched.

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                                Yep you fully understand my problem with the game. But explain baseline magic/shield because the devs do read these threads so they need constructive detailed feedback. Since it has been confirmed that patch 3 will fix game play issues.



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