The VC issue - perfectly put in words

[Haraldsson88]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

I totally get the problem, i was just answereing the other dude who asked what i've done so far.

The VC system is **** i agree, im just saying its easy IF you got the time, however its stupid for people who dont have time to play.

[SirGaryColeman]

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That was me and thank you.

So where would I start such an online petition? I do not mind wording it (maybe I'll just use the post you all seemed to like) and then post the linke here for you guys to sign it and spread it far and wide via social media.

It looks like change.org is the most popular. People put up petitions for video game type stuff on there a lot... there was a successful one for PokemonGo lol:

https://www.change.org/p/niantic-inc-add-pokéstops-gyms-and-pokémon-in-less-populated-places-pokémon-go

[Saxongirl]

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It looks like change.org is the most popular. People put up petitions for video game type stuff on there a lot... there was a successful one for PokemonGo lol:
https://www.change.org/p/niantic-inc...es-pokémon-go

I'll give it a go then.

[SlyNumb3r1]

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I think the Problem with VC is that u can spend it to Buy Attributes. Imo they should make two types of VC. One Type are for Attributes (those u can only Earn, Win or get via 2KApp) and One Type that u can Buy like now but with these VC u can only Buy Clothing, Accesoires and Animations.

Because the Problem is.. Before 2K17 came out i said to myself i do not Buy any VC! But what happened? i played some MyPark with my Squad and of course they had 88 and of course there are Guys with 95 already. So the Fun is gone when People are Bossing u after 3 Days the Game is out because they are just Good because of Buying VC. And now i bought VC to compete and help my Squad and i regret it. Because i love the Story Mode and just seeing my Guy how he gets better but now i have an 91 PG Rookie and that absolutely makes no Sense.

So my Idea would be this. We have two Types of VC. lets say Attributes VC (those are the only VC u can spent to Upgrade ur Player Rating Wise) and lets say Modeling VC (those are only for Modeling ur Player)

AVC = U actually earn those Via Career Games, Park, Pro-Am, MyNBA2K17 App and there is no Way u can Buy those.

MVC = U can buy those like we have it now or u earn it via Career Games. Because of course an NBA Player gets paid for playing.

This Way there are no Rookies with 95 Rating wich is stupid as hell and every Player in the Park has the same chances.

[Saxongirl]

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I'll give it a go then.

Damn... I gotta give my Full Name and everything there for everyone to see... not sure I do want that kind of publicity especially if dozens of people sign... Well it's 11.30pm at my end anyway... I'll head to bed and sleep over it.

[ILLSmak]

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Doubt it... mathematically impossible. The game released on the 16th in the evening in Europe. Say you got it in the morning. You need 240.000 VC to max out your player. Say you played on HoF and owned everyone... do even get 1.500 VC you need at least a double double plus an A+ teamgreade, great shooting, etc. Say you got that. You'd need around 160 games. Let's say because of andorsements you did it in 120... too low in my opinion but still. You'd need to play at least 12 minute quarters to get those numbers. That's roughly 25 minutes on average playing time plus another 5-10 minutes per game for loading and what not. That's 35 minutes per game or 4.200 minutes. That is 70 hours. That does not account for practice (which you need to actually unlock the next upgrades) and cutscnes. If you played 1 and a half seasons we are talking the full set of cutscenes so around what? 10 hours or so? so that's 80 hours. Which means you must have played the game non stop for 10 days for 8 hours a day. Assuming you sleep at least 8 hours a day that leaves you 8 hours to shower, eat, go to the toilet, tell people you are still alive, do your shopping, cook, clean and what else you need to do in the mean time... if we are talking 8 hours. If we are talking 160 games we are talking easily 93 hours... that would be a whopping 10 hours or more per day with cutscenes... no sorry but I don't believe you.

The one thing I disagree w/ is 12 min. You could do it on 5 or 6 in HoF. I prefer 8. Sometimes the game doesn't give me my 2x vc but I can get around 2k per game when it does (assuming you're starting.) And yea can do it w/ a 55 rated.

Still... doing something 6-8+ hours a day for a week+ is not easily.

Edit: and also that means you're not gonna get the badges that require you to shoot lights out.

-Smak

[Saxongirl]

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The one thing I disagree w/ is 12 min. You could do it on 5 or 6 in HoF. I prefer 8. Sometimes the game doesn't give me my 2x vc but I can get around 2k per game when it does (assuming you're starting.) And yea can do it w/ a 55 rated.

Still... doing something 6-8+ hours a day for a week+ is not easily.

Edit: and also that means you're not gonna get the badges that require you to shoot lights out.

-Smak

5 or 6 minutes? With a 56 rated player? Getting an A+ and a double double? Why grind for VC if you are that good? If you can manage that, even starting, with a 56 rated player... you're a stick god. Simple as. No ifs, ands or buts, if you can get an A+ rating, grab 10 boards and get around 20 points on HoF with a 56 rated player in around 12 minutes of actual game time... you sir are a god among man. (You might with a center but I even doubt that tbh for the normal user).

Talking of which you only get 2.000 VC when you play against decent teams... I've been drafted to Toronto and the east is ****... so mainly I end up with 100 or 200 VC per game from my contract instead of 500 or so against most western teams... in the long run that makes a massive difference... assuming you play 100 games that would easily be another 50.000 VC.

[ILLSmak]

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5 or 6 minutes? With a 56 rated player? Getting an A+ and a double double? Why grind for VC if you are that good? If you can manage that, even starting, with a 56 rated player... you're a stick god. Simple as. No ifs, ands or buts, if you can get an A+ rating, grab 10 boards and get around 20 points on HoF with a 56 rated player in around 12 minutes of actual game time... you sir are a god among man. (You might with a center but I even doubt that tbh for the normal user).

Talking of which you only get 2.000 VC when you play against decent teams... I've been drafted to Toronto and the east is ****... so mainly I end up with 100 or 200 VC per game from my contract instead of 500 or so against most western teams... in the long run that makes a massive difference... assuming you play 100 games that would easily be another 50.000 VC.

I'm blushing.

But yea, I mean you should be able to get 1500 at least. Unless the game eats your vc, which it does. I know I can get 20 10 A+ on a 55 big man because I did it in the beginning before deciding what I was gonna make. And big men get really low VC. I made a d stopper wing as a 2nd guy and was getting way more VC for everything I did. Mainly, you just need to get an A+. If you get on the boards, make some 'good passes', set some screens, you should be able to make it work.

I'm not good on the sticks. I just understand the way the game works and can get dunks/rebounds/play D on HoF.

All I'm saying is I don't agree that people need 12 min to get an A+ and stats cuz I almost have an A+ at the end of the first quarter on 8 min.

It's still mind-numbingly grindy, and yea, it's harder to get it on a guard, but as long as you are contesting shots, passing, not turning it over... you should still get it.

I'm 75 now tho.

-Smak

[Mweemwee]

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This is how much I've earned since the game came out and I've played it a lot, so if guys have earned over 200k VC I would like to see the screenshots

[timothythefirst]

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Damn... I gotta give my Full Name and everything there for everyone to see... not sure I do want that kind of publicity especially if dozens of people sign... Well it's 11.30pm at my end anyway... I'll head to bed and sleep over it.

i've never done it but i'm pretty sure there's a way to get around that, if not i think there's a couple other pretty popular petition sites.

[SirGaryColeman]

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Damn... I gotta give my Full Name and everything there for everyone to see... not sure I do want that kind of publicity especially if dozens of people sign... Well it's 11.30pm at my end anyway... I'll head to bed and sleep over it.

If you write it maybe someone (or I might.. can I just give a fake name? lol) else will post it. I'm too lazy to write something, but I do think it should include your topic of how the game seems designed to persuade you to buy stuff with sh*t like:

- You start out 55, paired with Justice Young who is way better way faster than you

- This year you have a full on virtual shopping cart, which lets you buy more than you can afford and asks if you wanna buy VC.

-Leaderboards only display cumulative leaders, which makes you feel like you have to play 24/7 (and/or buy VC) to see rewards for your grind.

- Making a grind at all. Forcing people to finish in 1 season, meaning they have to play all 82 regular season (boring) games (or buy VC).

-You have to buy EVERYTHING. Socks, elbow pads, badges, attributes, Hanes t-shirts, everything.

-1 time Park events (After Dark is a 1 time event). You can't really compete in After Dark and win unless you hurry up and get good.

- Whenever you open the 2k Store, it defaults you to pressing the "PURCHASE VC" button in red.

I think I could go on forever... once you start looking for how the game was designed to sell VC, it's hard not to find it all over the game.

[Haraldsson88]

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This is how much I've earned since the game came out and I've played it a lot, so if guys have earned over 200k VC I would like to see the screenshots

Player 1 right here. My second player got around 44K.

[x_NBA_x]

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No dude. You can't. I don't care what you Spam. Without the HoF Bonus even with a double double you can't make more than 1.000 VC per game since you won't actually have the playing time, even as a starter to get an A+ teamgrade and the necessary stats to get above 1.000 VC per game. Endorsements don't come in like that. You get a 2.000 VC Bonus maybe two to three weeks or so. The App gives you at max 2.000 VC a day so that would be, at the most 20.000 VC in that time. You were talking about maxing out your player that's 240.000 VC, even to get the first tier of upgrades without badges you need to spend 175.000 VC or so.

Just please stop claiming this nonsense. I have been playing pretty much non stop on HoF and have managed around 100.000 VC maybe, maybe you could get 180.000 if you played like a maniac from day one averaging around 25.000 VC a day... but that's basically insane as that's 12-13 hours easily. Sorry but you probably forgot to mention that you own the 100 Dollar Version of the game.

You can earn anywhere between 750-1200VC on HoF 5 minute quarters. You can also sim out the second half with VC. So you can fit in a lot of games. It's not hard to get an A+ if you know what boosts the team grade up and a double-double is easy if you run pick & rolls as a PG.

Let's take a look:

750 x 82 = 61,500
1,200 x 82 = 98,400

Then play-offs which range from 16 to 28 games:

750 x 16 = 12,000
750 x 28 = 21,000

1,200 x 16 = 19,200
1,200 x 28 = 33,600

Endorsements vary and you can have 6+ at a time. You could be looking at between 500-10,000+ depending on how far you are in the season and with the endorsements. For arguments sake we will say you are getting in total for a year, 40,000-60,000.

The App can potentially give out between 1,000 to 2,000 per day so thats a further 10,000 to 20,000 over the 10 days since release.

Total VC that can be obtained:

Minimum of 750 per game with minimum on Play-offs/app/endorsements through 1 season = 123,500.

Minimum of 750 per game with max on Play-offs/app/endorsements through 1 season = 162,500.

Maximum of 1,200 per game with minimum on play-offs/app/endorsements through 1 season = 167,600.

Maximum of 1,200 per game with minimum on play-offs/app/endorsements through 1 season = 212,000.

So you are looking at anywhere between 123,500 - 212,000 per season depending on variables within the season.

3 games per hour x 6 hours per day = 18 games per day.

18 games per day x 10 days since release = 180 games played.

Two seasons could have been nearly completed, which could potentially mean they have earned between 247,000 - 424,000VC already.

The options are there for people to grind hard if they want too and it is plausible that people are getting a lot of VC if they have put in the time over the past 10 days. It would mean for every game to go perfect and they could even up the minutes slightly too but it gives you a rough idea that you shouldn't be shooting people down because they may have accomplished something that you haven't.

(Numbers are all rough estimates but are close enough to what can be earned within game)

[Rip4ever]

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Both of those examples would explain pay2win easily.

Pay2win=you can only get the best stuff/achieve the highest rating by actually buying it for real money.

Pay2progress=I.e you buy VC to level your player faster, but you can still get it easily for free, which then does not even closely make it pay2win.

Tired of people calling bunch of games "pay2win" when its clearly not.

Yea, it should be more like #pay2notbeajoystickslave.

[El_Poopador]

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The one thing I disagree w/ is 12 min. You could do it on 5 or 6 in HoF. I prefer 8. Sometimes the game doesn't give me my 2x vc but I can get around 2k per game when it does (assuming you're starting.) And yea can do it w/ a 55 rated.

Still... doing something 6-8+ hours a day for a week+ is not easily.

Edit: and also that means you're not gonna get the badges that require you to shoot lights out.

-Smak

How are you getting 2k VC per game? I just played a full game on HOF, 12 minute quarters, 21 pts and 9 assists, A+ teammate grade, and still only got ~1000 VC.