The VC issue - perfectly put in words

[ILLSmak]

Re: The VC issue - perfectly put in words

Another issue with buying VC is that, because you can buy VC, 2k believes that you have to grind mycareer for upgrades and badges, to make it fair. I remember when we could max our players out and buy badges. I think you could buy VC back then (maybe?), too, but it was a better system.

That was the last time I had a player over like 93-94 haha. Because I personally don't enjoy playing 12 minute rookie games and trying to cheese my way to badges. Or fouling out to unlock upgrades.

I don't mind VC, but I wish it was done differently. Everyone saying it's not pay to win... it kind of is. It's like if you said paying to get a fully maxed character, the best car whatever, in another game was only 'paying to progress.' When you pay to progress and other people start at 0, you are paying to win.

2k has become way more grindy now that they have VC. I don't think that's debatable. I guess the only people who it isn't grindy for are those who wanna shell out 100+ bucks. I personally don't want to. I come from the age of buying a game... before subs or anything.

I wish there was a solution to make this go away, but I don't think there is... so we just gotta shrug and accept it.

-Smak

[335TDC]

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MyCareer is designed primarily to be a VC revenue stream.

YES, I know that purchasing VC is a choice; I never will. HOWEVER...

If you play it straight up, it redefines the word "grind." Your player starts way too low OVR for his story arc/draft status. The monotonous practices and interminable loading screens -- these design decisions weren't unintentional.

For all those who say, "Just don't buy VC then, it's your choice, stop whining, it's called capitalism," etc., all true. I'm just making the observation that the dev team almost certainly designed MC as a rev stream.

Simple macro econ: for everyone like me who will abandon the mode because I'm not willing to pay OR to grind (at least to this degree), there are 3? 4? 5? more people who will give in and pay for VC -- "Just this once!" -- to boost their guy. On a worldwide scale that's MILLIONS of dollars in revenue.

A great game mode has been pimped out, and that's that.

I cringe to think that Franchise/MyGM might be next...

[timothythefirst]

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Both of those examples would explain pay2win easily.

Pay2win=you can only get the best stuff/achieve the highest rating by actually buying it for real money.

Pay2progress=I.e you buy VC to level your player faster, but you can still get it easily for free, which then does not even closely make it pay2win.

Tired of people calling bunch of games "pay2win" when its clearly not.

they were your own examples lmao.

people understand that you can also get it for free, the beef is that the game is designed so that you're strongly encouraged to buy it. and if you don't buy it you won't be able to compete in the most popular modes. there's no argument about that.

at the end of the day what you're doing is paying real cash to get a competitive advantage. that's the definition of paying to win lol. it doesn't matter what technicalities you want to add to it, you're still paying for a massive competitive advantage.

I'm not even gonna lie i spent about 30 bucks on vc the night the game came out. because if I didn't, my player would be like 65 overall right now. and i can't just grind mycareer for hours a day so that I can enjoy mypark and pro am when i've finally leveled up enough to play it. i don't have time for that. I just want to enjoy the most popular modes of the game i already paid for.

if a new call of duty game comes out and you buy it, and you get online on the first night, it's not your character with BB gun and cement shoes fighting against dudes who paid $100 to get rocket launchers with infinite rockets. "oh but you could also play the game for several hours a day for months to unlock something better than your ****ty BB gun!" isn't a real solution that's going to make the game enjoyable.

but that's what 2k is. you have a dude who can't dribble, shoot, pass, run or defend adequately going against people who paid $100 to have real superstars. and sure you could play an extremely repetitive and boring offline mycareer for months so that you can finally compete in the most popular mode, but the majority of people don't want/don't have time to pour into something like that just so they can enjoy the rest of the game.

[SirGaryColeman]

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people understand that you can also get it for free, the beef is that the game is designed so that you're strongly encouraged to buy it. and if you don't buy it you won't be able to compete in the most popular modes. there's no argument about that.

When you open the 2k Store in My Career - the default button that is selected is the "PURCHASE VC" button.

Add this to the pile of proof that the game is designed to make you want to buy VC. The person that mentioned that Michael B Jordan progresses way faster than you had a great point about all the little ways this game encourages you to pay real money to "keep up."

[Saxongirl]

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When you open the 2k Store in My Career - the default button that is selected is the "PURCHASE VC" button.

Add this to the pile of proof that the game is designed to make you want to buy VC. The person that mentioned that Michael B Jordan progresses way faster than you had a great point about all the little ways this game encourages you to pay real money to "keep up."

That was me and thank you.

So where would I start such an online petition? I do not mind wording it (maybe I'll just use the post you all seemed to like) and then post the linke here for you guys to sign it and spread it far and wide via social media.

[Mweemwee]

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you buy VC to level your player faster, but you can still get it EASILY for free

"Easily"

LMAO, good one.

[Haraldsson88]

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"Easily"

LMAO, good one.

So far i've gotten more then enough to max out a player, so id call it easily. But like mentioned earlier i've played alot. If you got the time its easy, and like someone said earlier you dont have to play several hours in over a month. Its not that bad. There are alot of other games that 1 hour per day isn't enough to keep up.

Like i already mentioned i definalty dont like this system, but i deal with it.

I still dont see it as pay2win, but that's only my opinion. The system needs to change i agree, but i dont really see it doing it.

[Mweemwee]

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So far i've gotten more then enough to max out a player, so id call it easily. But like mentioned earlier i've played alot. If you got the time its easy, and like someone said earlier you dont have to play several hours in over a month. Its not that bad. There are alot of other games that 1 hour per day isn't enough to keep up.

Like i already mentioned i definalty dont like this system, but i deal with it.

I still dont see it as pay2win, but that's only my opinion. The system needs to change i agree, but i dont really see it doing it.

I haven't been working since the game came out and have played a lot and I'm only a 75 overall, how have you gained that much VC? are you just playing MC or another mode? I'm using the app daily too.

[Haraldsson88]

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I haven't been working since the game came out and have played a lot and I'm only a 75 overall, how have you gained that much VC? are you just playing MC or another mode? I'm using the app daily too.

I got a 84 Ovr, 78 Ovr, count in upgrading 5 badges each on both players, bunch of tattoos, animations, a bunch of clothes etc. I've been spamming 5 min quarters, and u get alot through endorsements, u get events that sometimes give 4K-6K VC, app is good to, if i combine everything i've gotten i would easily max out a player and being able to buy stuff.

[Saxongirl]

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So far i've gotten more then enough to max out a player, so id call it easily. But like mentioned earlier i've played alot. If you got the time its easy, and like someone said earlier you dont have to play several hours in over a month. Its not that bad. There are alot of other games that 1 hour per day isn't enough to keep up.

Like i already mentioned i definalty dont like this system, but i deal with it.

I still dont see it as pay2win, but that's only my opinion. The system needs to change i agree, but i dont really see it doing it.

Doubt it... mathematically impossible. The game released on the 16th in the evening in Europe. Say you got it in the morning. You need 240.000 VC to max out your player. Say you played on HoF and owned everyone... do even get 1.500 VC you need at least a double double plus an A+ teamgreade, great shooting, etc. Say you got that. You'd need around 160 games. Let's say because of andorsements you did it in 120... too low in my opinion but still. You'd need to play at least 12 minute quarters to get those numbers. That's roughly 25 minutes on average playing time plus another 5-10 minutes per game for loading and what not. That's 35 minutes per game or 4.200 minutes. That is 70 hours. That does not account for practice (which you need to actually unlock the next upgrades) and cutscnes. If you played 1 and a half seasons we are talking the full set of cutscenes so around what? 10 hours or so? so that's 80 hours. Which means you must have played the game non stop for 10 days for 8 hours a day. Assuming you sleep at least 8 hours a day that leaves you 8 hours to shower, eat, go to the toilet, tell people you are still alive, do your shopping, cook, clean and what else you need to do in the mean time... if we are talking 8 hours. If we are talking 160 games we are talking easily 93 hours... that would be a whopping 10 hours or more per day with cutscenes... no sorry but I don't believe you.

[Haraldsson88]

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Doubt it... mathematically impossible. The game released on the 16th in the evening in Europe. Say you got it in the morning. You need 240.000 VC to max out your player. Say you played on HoF and owned everyone... do even get 1.500 VC you need at least a double double plus an A+ teamgreade, great shooting, etc. Say you got that. You'd need around 160 games. Let's say because of andorsements you did it in 120... too low in my opinion but still. You'd need to play at least 12 minute quarters to get those numbers. That's roughly 25 minutes on average playing time plus another 5-10 minutes per game for loading and what not. That's 35 minutes per game or 4.200 minutes. That is 70 hours. That does not account for practice (which you need to actually unlock the next upgrades) and cutscnes. If you played 1 and a half seasons we are talking the full set of cutscenes so around what? 10 hours or so? so that's 80 hours. Which means you must have played the game non stop for 10 days for 8 hours a day. Assuming you sleep at least 8 hours a day that leaves you 8 hours to shower, eat, go to the toilet, tell people you are still alive, do your shopping, cook, clean and what else you need to do in the mean time... if we are talking 8 hours. If we are talking 160 games we are talking easily 93 hours... that would be a whopping 10 hours or more per day with cutscenes... no sorry but I don't believe you.

I dont care if you believe me or not, im only saying what i've dont, if you dont want to believe it, that's fine. Count in App everyday, and also from the 9th forward, count in that accolades actually give you vc=im farming badges atm on 12 min rookie says i should get 550ish for the game, i always get over 1000. But like i said wether you believe me or not, i dont really care.

[Saxongirl]

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I got a 84 Ovr, 78 Ovr, count in upgrading 5 badges each on both players, bunch of tattoos, animations, a bunch of clothes etc. I've been spamming 5 min quarters, and u get alot through endorsements, u get events that sometimes give 4K-6K VC, app is good to, if i combine everything i've gotten i would easily max out a player and being able to buy stuff.

No dude. You can't. I don't care what you Spam. Without the HoF Bonus even with a double double you can't make more than 1.000 VC per game since you won't actually have the playing time, even as a starter to get an A+ teamgrade and the necessary stats to get above 1.000 VC per game. Endorsements don't come in like that. You get a 2.000 VC Bonus maybe two to three weeks or so. The App gives you at max 2.000 VC a day so that would be, at the most 20.000 VC in that time. You were talking about maxing out your player that's 240.000 VC, even to get the first tier of upgrades without badges you need to spend 175.000 VC or so.

Just please stop claiming this nonsense. I have been playing pretty much non stop on HoF and have managed around 100.000 VC maybe, maybe you could get 180.000 if you played like a maniac from day one averaging around 25.000 VC a day... but that's basically insane as that's 12-13 hours easily. Sorry but you probably forgot to mention that you own the 100 Dollar Version of the game.

[Saxongirl]

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I dont care if you believe me or not, im only saying what i've dont, if you dont want to believe it, that's fine. Count in App everyday, and also from the 9th forward, count in that accolades actually give you vc=im farming badges atm on 12 min rookie says i should get 550ish for the game, i always get over 1000. But like i said wether you believe me or not, i dont really care.

Well then maybe you should mention that you have been playing for over two weeks now and are probably on your second season without cutscenes and were able to sign a fat contract that gives you a game bonus straight away? Showing up here and saying: well I did it doesn't really help anyone. You did it by grinding the game for over 100 games in game and playing for well over two weeks now... how does that actually change anything we have claimed in regards to VC?

[Haraldsson88]

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My 78 is in his second season, all games played, quit him and made another player, but used my 78 to farm vc. Played 28 matches on my new player not counting the college matches. I could make a list of everything i've bought if you want, but i guess that wouldn't suffice, pictures would work, to much time to put into that **** tho.

Anyways its fine for me, i've gotten enough.

[Saxongirl]

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My 78 is in his second season, all games played, quit him and made another player, but used my 78 to farm vc. Played 28 matches on my new player not counting the college matches. I could make a list of everything i've bought if you want, but i guess that wouldn't suffice, pictures would work, to much time to put into that **** tho.

Anyways its fine for me, i've gotten enough.

No that explains a lot... if you played every game that's 82. Assuming you got around 1.000 VC per game that is 82.000. Add around 1.000 VC per day for the app that's another 10.000. Add around 40.000-50.000 in VC from endorsements that's around 140.000 and get's you to around 84 I assume plus in your second season you get higher contract fees... so yeah you played like a madman for over 100 games. That proves everything we said about VC.