3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

[Poke]

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Man I was wondering why I was missing so many 3s last game. Messed up my percentages in my My League smdh

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[jyoung]

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Green releases are the worst I wish we could take it out. It's created a terrible culture.

As long as 2K has a shooting mechanic in place that guarantees a made basket, like we do right now with the perfect "green" releases, the offensive meta will continue to revolve around hunting for those opportunities to take a guaranteed made basket on every single offensive possession.

I believe there would be a much greater variety of shot types being taken by a much greater variety of archetypes if every shot in the game was a "white bar" shot, with no guarantee of going in, and the success rate of shots was primarily determined by attribute ratings/badges plus the quality of shot contest from the defender.

The way the shooting was setup this year, good user timing could completely override ratings/badges, which is how we ended up with big men and lockdown defenders shooting 60% to 70% from three.

[ph33]

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As long as 2K has a shooting mechanic in place that guarantees a made basket, like we do right now with the perfect "green" releases, the offensive meta will continue to revolve around hunting for those opportunities to take a guaranteed made basket on every single offensive possession.

I believe there would be a much greater variety of shot types being taken by a much greater variety of archetypes if every shot in the game was a "white bar" shot, with no guarantee of going in, and the success rate of shots was solely determined by attribute ratings/badges plus the quality of shot contest from the defender.

I wish that's how it was. Green releases are terrible for another reason, and I think someone alluded to it above---but there's a HUGE advantage in being able to say "Green" so your teammates know they can get back on defense. If this wasn't in there, people would have to make a conscious decision on how much they want to hunt for offensive rebounds and if it's worth doing so.

Reading Mike's twitter replies seriously hurts my head.
"Mike I can't get any greens anymore"
"Mike you broke sharp shooters"
"Mike I'm bricking everything"

[kabamaru]

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Greens or No Greens I had 7/10 3s with Thon Maker (who I use as stretch PF in PNO) against a Thunder user that thought it would be a great idea to play full-game zone today

I was up 15 points when he quit early 4th

Are you sure we are not dramatizing the tweek?

[Tomb Of God]

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Three Walk-On games today and I can say the experience feels really fresh. It's like 6-7 months of anytime a SS is open to just count it and prepare for offense/defense to now it's where you actually think, 'hold on he might actually miss, oh sh*t he did!'

For a little over half a year 2K sat around letting SS bank in 27 footers and shoot 70%+ from range on a day to day basis. I will happily enjoy this shooting nerf while it lasts.

Off-topic: Moving screens seem to be back in full effect, didn't notice any my first two games but the third there were about 5 or so called, I hope this remains so...screens have been such a headache this year with any type of ability to mitigate their effectiveness especially with Brick Wall goons in almost every game.

It seemed any time I forced a pass into the paint my big would bobble it, in the third game this happened about three times in one half. Thumbs up.

Shooting fouls in the paint by guys going for hay maker blocks were very noticeable, the Slasher I was guarding had a healthy amount of FT attempts when he got into the lane. Not sure if this was changed but the fouls felt 'natural' in the sense that you could clearly see the contact made and the whistle followed.

[YungGun]

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As long as guys with <70 3pt ratings aren't hitting 3s on a consistent basis I'm fine. There's no reason a lockdown defender, glass cleaner, or athletic big should be hitting contested and open corner 3s better than my Sharpshooter just because they have a cheesy release timing that makes it easier for them to get green releases.

[Jrocc23]

3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

This tweak was terrible. I've been against making 3s easier but this one he went overboard. You can't green from 3 unless you're in the corners. Maybe SS's can hit green in other areas but I am sure any other archetype isn't making green 3s anywhere else. Any other area is a full white bar.

Like I've been saying, the shooting overall is too easy but he can't really change the sliders now because of how the ratings, badges and etc is. He needs to leave it how it was and just find a good balance for 2K18.

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[Ree4erMadness]

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I dunno, I played 3 PNO games and it seems fine to me. Seemed fine with my Pacers. But I don't use the shot meter, never have...

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Idk if he tweaked anything with shot contests but I could really protect the paint today. Most people who challenged my paint protector either got blocked or missed.

[ph33]

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Idk if he tweaked anything with shot contests but I could really protect the paint today. Most people who challenged my paint protector either got blocked or missed.

Yeah, the LDD I play with said he doesn't feel like he's stuck in quicksand anymore.

[DakkoN]

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Loving seeing all the missed shots. People taking some awful shots now and are scared to shoot 3's so they're taking even worse 2's.. Love it. I've never been a fan of green light 3's and I'm glad they've been toned down so much.. I green lighted 1 corner 3 in 3 games and I couldn't have been happier.

[cablexdeadpool]

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In basketball 3 point shot with a high percentage is the corner 3.

Volume 3 point shooters with good percentages like a Stephen Curry or Klay Thompson or CJ Mccollum, bolster their percentages on Corner 3s.

We shouldn't have SS crossing half court and you immediately have to guard them because they have range from the logo.

SSs in the corner being automatic...that's cool.

But above the break...nah. Off a stepback...nah.

[Caelumfang]

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All of this, and Shot Creators can't get a moving shot 3 adjustments. Been busted for months.

[killxmike]

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I'm not a huge fan of major overhauls to game mechanics so often... 12 patches... but at least we should get a free respec of our attribute points. Its not our fault we built the players to match how the game works.

[Jrocc23]

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its not hard to hit a single three. its just hard to hit EVERY single three thats open. Now it seems that it depends on more factors then just being open for a split second and release the ball as a sharp.

And I am playing Sharp as my main in pro am, our team shoots over 70% for 3 in 85 games played. Our glass and lockdown both are on 70% 3pt or slightly below. That was totally nuts and made the game stupid.
Now its better, from my point of view.

Sharp/Playmaker/Shotcreator can still hit a good amount of 3s, easy greens from the corner but no greens as it seems from top arc for shot creator and playmaker.
Sharp can still green even from limitless range if everything comes together like a good pass badges and so on. But it feels much harder.

Thanks 2k you did a good job!
The game should have been this way the whole year.

I disagree. Now if full white bars actually went in at a decent rate, I would say this is cool and how I want the future games to be. I do agree that GCs, LDDs and etc shouldn't be draining 3s. And GCs, Athletic Finishers and some of those shouldn't be able to make threes almost at all w/ a 50 something rating. Also me w/ a 72 3 shouldn't be as efficient as I am but besides the corners, the 3 is more than likely off now because of how this game is setup. If you not getting green it's most likely a missed shot in my experience.

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Now that you all have had time to digest this, I can't help but say 'I told you so.' Maybe it's because I'm not one of the 'popular' guys around here, but I always make a point of saying:

"Be careful what you all wish for with these patches/tunings, because you're going to get it AND MORE. Remember, 2k patches/tunes in extremes."

You and others saying "I told you so" needs to stop. Speaking for myself, I was definitely against them raising the 3PT shooting and I still am.

What most people were saying at the time was it was decent how it was before he started increasing it more and more and making it easier months ago to appease people that simply couldn't shoot because at that time w/ my 72 rating I still could shoot pretty cool when wide open. So SS's had no business complaining. I and others felt it was pretty cool where it was at. How it is today is terrible. I shot 100 times from 3 in MyCourt (besides corners) and not one single green and most will be off if they not green because of how they have it setup. I am even hearing if you put it on rookie in your court you still won't be able to really hit green 3s. If that's true, that's crazy. Nobody asked them for these extremes, a lot of us was just saying we wanted it how it was months ago.

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This is for those who say you cant make a three after the tweak. This guy on my team was bombing away. Its fine.

He's a Sharp Shooter though. If you can't green or make a 3 as a SS, you just simply can't shoot. It's just harder for them but they shouldn't be complaining still they have a 94 3? But this decrease kills ANY other archetype from 3 (besides corners) because of how poorly 2K did the ratings this year.

Mike needs to just hang it up this year and wait until next year when they hopefully stop making badges so powerful and get rid of all the Grand Badge and HOF Badge, handle the ratings for archetypes better, change the shooting process to how Mike said it would be where people only get greens if they are hot and etc.

He can't do much w/ something like 3pt shooting this year without severely hurting any archetypes besides SS's. And let's say he raise it to a good amount for players w/ 70+ ratings to be able to hit when open, then SS's are OP. Just can't do much this year w/ how stuff is setup. Same would be for if he raised stealing so that other types could be able to steal a little better, LDDs would be super crazy. It's just a flawed setup. Period. Only thing that would have been able to save this year is if he could go into each archetype individually and change the sliders for that specific archetype.


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