3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

[Leasim96]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

Just played some pro am games - and i really liked how it felt - you could tell peoples mentality changed with this tuning - they were more passive in terms of scoring and passing more. Which is rare for me too see especially on walk on.

I'm noticing defense feels more responsive - less sluggish. I think some changes to the dribble system really seemed to have changed the speed in which offense used to be played. It seems to me that now it's easier to defend dribblers - you feel like you can defend better on defense instead of being at a disavantage because they could just take big constant fast leaps and blow by you or force a switch.

The shooting for sure i noticed - even on my court. But i'm a lockdown so. I still made corner 3s however with my LDD - wide open ones at that. I did miss a few times though - but i'm not bothered by it at all since others as well were missing. Especially from limitless range - which was very refreshing i gotta say. The game feels more sim to me which is always great. Sadly i bet the green light tuning will ruin it. Hopefully not.

The thing i liked the most atleast from what i experienced so far is that when you tweak a few things that correlate to defense in some ways - you esentially improve defense as a whole - because it affects each individuals potential within a team. Therefore making team defense better.

It feels quite cool to actually see scoring slumps - where both teams are playing good defense and can't find a good look (since the definition of good look has changed) - before it would just be a constant back and fourth of limitless range 3s - brick wall spamming - overall annoying things. Just a very fast paced non stop offensive game. It was kind of draining and i didn't feel like playing again. Would usually leave me just mentally exhausted. Which is why i took a good break from the game

Now it seems more grounded/balanced - which is refreshing. I really hope it doesn't change drastically.

[jfsolo]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

I wish I could go back in time and tell Beluba, "The introduction of green releases as an automatic make is a design decision error that your game may never recover from."

It has completely skewed the thinking of a large percentage of the people who play this game when it comes to shooting percentage expectations.

[Iasounis]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

Just played some pro am games - and i really liked how it felt - you could tell peoples mentality changed with this tuning - they were more passive in terms of scoring and passing more. Which is rare for me too see especially on walk on.

I'm noticing defense feels more responsive - less sluggish. I think some changes to the dribble system really seemed to have changed the speed in which offense used to be played. It seems to me that now it's easier to defend dribblers - you feel like you can defend better on defense instead of being at a disavantage because they could just take big constant fast leaps and blow by you or force a switch.

The shooting for sure i noticed - even on my court. But i'm a lockdown so. I still made corner 3s however with my LDD - wide open ones at that. I did miss a few times though - but i'm not bothered by it at all since others as well were missing. Especially from limitless range - which was very refreshing i gotta say. The game feels more sim to me which is always great. Sadly i bet the green light tuning will ruin it. Hopefully not.

The thing i liked the most atleast from what i experienced so far is that when you tweak a few things that correlate to defense in some ways - you esentially improve defense as a whole - because it affects each individuals potential within a team. Therefore making team defense better.

It feels quite cool to actually see scoring slumps - where both teams are playing good defense and can't find a good look (since the definition of good look has changed) - before it would just be a constant back and fourth of limitless range 3s - brick wall spamming - overall annoying things. Just a very fast paced non stop offensive game. It was kind of draining and i didn't feel like playing again. Would usually leave me just mentally exhausted. Which is why i took a good break from the game

Now it seems more grounded/balanced - which is refreshing. I really hope it doesn't change drastically.

Guess I'll weigh in as a member of thr LDD brotherhood...

In all honesty, I would have rather seen tweeks to badges.

- Limitless needed a nerf (not make it useless, but bring it back to a more reasonable distance).

- Pick Dodger to allow hof-ers to not drop against Brick Walls

- Chase Down and Charge Card to actually mean something.

- Give the Post badges a use outside of hof.

In general, I think the mechanics of the game just need to put offense and defense on equal footing and then all the 'non-shooting' archetypes hitting 3s will not occur unless open (which I'm okay with).

[Poke]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

I worked hard to perfect my sliders and finally got them to where I like them and Mike Wang pulls this BS. This has officially ruined my weekend. I'm off and was looking forward to playing all weekend. Now I have to ret retweek and start my season over because the game I played today was atrocious. I'm glad it was only my 2nd game of the season

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[Jrocc23]

3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

I worked hard to perfect my sliders and finally got them to where I like them and Mike Wang pulls this BS. This has officially ruined my weekend. I'm off and was looking forward to playing all weekend. Now I have to ret retweek and start my season over because the game I played today was atrocious. I'm glad it was only my 2nd game of the season

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He said it'll be changed tomorrow. I am pretty sure he's going to put it back to what it was before this most recent update. You should be good.


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[Caelumfang]

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You and others saying "I told you so" needs to stop. Speaking for myself, I was definitely against them raising the 3PT shooting and I still am.

What most people were saying at the time was it was decent how it was before he started increasing it more and more and making it easier months ago to appease people that simply couldn't shoot because at that time w/ my 72 rating I still could shoot pretty cool when wide open. So SS's had no business complaining. I and others felt it was pretty cool where it was at. How it is today is terrible. I shot 100 times from 3 in MyCourt (besides corners) and not one single green and most will be off if they not green because of how they have it setup. I am even hearing if you put it on rookie in your court you still won't be able to really hit green 3s. If that's true, that's crazy. Nobody asked them for these extremes, a lot of us was just saying we wanted it how it was months ago.

Exactly which adjustment are you referring to? When people first started getting their characters up and flooding MyPark and Walk On, I clearly remember very few people around here being happy about the shooting. Within a week, there were a flood of topics popping up talking about Sharpshooters were insanely OP and wanted adjustments ASAP, so I'm trying to figure out where this 'everyone thought shooting was decent' statement is referring to.

The very first shooting adjustment is the one that turned everyone into bricklayers, then he started getting flooded on Twitter by a boatload of Sharpshooters begging to increase shooting. It was then that he started increasing it from there, and messing with it almost weekly.

Reason I talk about 2k adjusting to complete extremes is because of the many examples we've had dating all the way back to 2k11. I remember that's the one that got hit with the 3-pointer and steal patch after a bunch of crying. Went from good 3-point shooters to (me, personally) never attempting another 3 for the rest of that year, and not ever touching the square button for a steal ever again, because EVERY REACH resulted in a foul. And the list goes from there all the way till now.

So having been around for the longest time and seeing all of the patches over the years, it's for those reasons why I always say to be careful when asking for patches/tuning, because it almost always swings completely in the opposite direction, and has been doing so for years.

[Caelumfang]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

Guess I'll weigh in as a member of thr LDD brotherhood...

In all honesty, I would have rather seen tweeks to badges.

- Limitless needed a nerf (not make it useless, but bring it back to a more reasonable distance).

- Pick Dodger to allow hof-ers to not drop against Brick Walls

- Chase Down and Charge Card to actually mean something.

- Give the Post badges a use outside of hof.

In general, I think the mechanics of the game just need to put offense and defense on equal footing and then all the 'non-shooting' archetypes hitting 3s will not occur unless open (which I'm okay with).

They could try to adjust the defense to match the offense, but they run ths same risk as they do for offensive archetypes:

A.) Increase it to have LDDs be able to defensively match every offensive archetype (lateral movement actually matching PM speed with ball and overpowering other archetypes with it, etc), which will still leave the offensive archetypes at an extreme disadvantage vs other offensive archetypes due to ratings, or

B.) Somehow adjust things to make defense from all offensive archetypes be able to match the offense of other offensive types, which in turn would make LDDs overwhelmingly overpowering

[Jrocc23]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

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Exactly which adjustment are you referring to? When people first started getting their characters up and flooding MyPark and Walk On, I clearly remember very few people around here being happy about the shooting. Within a week, there were a flood of topics popping up talking about Sharpshooters were insanely OP and wanted adjustments ASAP, so I'm trying to figure out where this 'everyone thought shooting was decent' statement is referring to.

The very first shooting adjustment is the one that turned everyone into bricklayers, then he started getting flooded on Twitter by a boatload of Sharpshooters begging to increase shooting. It was then that he started increasing it from there, and messing with it almost weekly.

Reason I talk about 2k adjusting to complete extremes is because of the many examples we've had dating all the way back to 2k11. I remember that's the one that got hit with the 3-pointer and steal patch after a bunch of crying. Went from good 3-point shooters to (me, personally) never attempting another 3 for the rest of that year, and not ever touching the square button for a steal ever again, because EVERY REACH resulted in a foul. And the list goes from there all the way till now.

So having been around for the longest time and seeing all of the patches over the years, it's for those reasons why I always say to be careful when asking for patches/tuning, because it almost always swings completely in the opposite direction, and has been doing so for years.

I can't tell you exactly when it was. He's been making so many back and forth changes and of course everyone isn't going to feel the same. But I believe before he was making any tweaks really those threads wasn't showing up and I was shooting only about 40 or close to 50% I guess from 3? Once he started making changes of raising it two times in a row, that's when all those threads started popping up about shooting being OP. This is the very first tweak that made me complain about it being too low. Never have it's been where you cannot shoot a green at the top of they key or the wings.

I know about the extremes. I am not arguing about that. Honestly, I browse on here and twitter and I haven't heard that much talk of shooting complaints because I am sure most people figured this is just what it is now especially since he said he wasn't changing again. This seems like something he just wanted to do on his own. He didn't make a poll or anything. But I agree it's usually to the extreme when he makes a change and even what it was before this most recent update isn't my idea of how it should be. No way should some archetypes be money from 3 left open or not.


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[Korrupted]

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Only isssue I have with this recent patch/update in PRO-AM is spot up shooting doesn't feel as fluid anymore. I get a slight delay/pause before I'm able to shoot and it throws my timing off completely. I have been able to hit greens from the wing and top of the key but limitless range is useless at this point. I get nothing but whites when I'm too deep with my sharpshooter.

[Caelumfang]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

I can't tell you exactly when it was. He's been making so many back and forth changes and of course everyone isn't going to feel the same. But I believe before he was making any tweaks really those threads wasn't showing up and I was shooting only about 40 or close to 50% I guess from 3? Once he started making changes of raising it two times in a row, that's when all those threads started popping up about shooting being OP. This is the very first tweak that made me complain about it being too low. Never have it's been where you cannot shoot a green at the top of they key or the wings.

I know about the extremes. I am not arguing about that. Honestly, I browse on here and twitter and I haven't heard that much talk of shooting complaints because I am sure most people figured this is just what it is now especially since he said he wasn't changing again. This seems like something he just wanted to do on his own. He didn't make a poll or anything. But I agree it's usually to the extreme when he makes a change and even what it was before this most recent update isn't my idea of how it should be. No way should some archetypes be money from 3 left open or not.


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http://www.operationsports.com/forum...oter-nerf.html

One of the first topics to pop up, check the first post date. There were a couple more, especially one that got to be REALLY long, but I can't remember the name of it.

But yeah, IMO, the archetype thing was a bad idea to begin with, because I foresaw everyone whine and crying about every other archetype until it would turn into a nerf-fest. Unfortunately for all of us, I was right. Hopefully it won't be more of the same next year, but I doubt that.

EDIT: Found it: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...rs-not-op.html

[Jrocc23]

3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...oter-nerf.html



One of the first topics to pop up, check the first post date. There were a couple more, especially one that got to be REALLY long, but I can't remember the name of it.



But yeah, IMO, the archetype thing was a bad idea to begin with, because I foresaw everyone whine and crying about every other archetype until it would turn into a nerf-fest. Unfortunately for all of us, I was right. Hopefully it won't be more of the same next year, but I doubt that.

Honestly what stopped the crying about SS's was Mike lowering the success of it going in when contested.

That stopped them from being the best archetype on the game to one of the easiest to defend because if they shot, all you had to do was kind of get up in them and make them get that animation like you was there.

What you posted was calling for a decrease which is why I don't see why it was raised even more if this was the first thread before any tweaks.

I just hope he gets this stuff pretty balanced next year and just look at percentages and not social media. I don't feel like getting it off my CPU but I have a screenshot of the end of 2K leaderboards and in 2K11 the Top Crews was barely shooting 40% from 3. Now this year teams are shooting above 50-60%. I am at 65% myself. Automatic green releases is what caused all of this mess. Since Mike hinted at kind of getting rid of automatic greens and the ELeague stuff w/ the NBA getting involved I think we're headed back to a more realistic direction.

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[Caelumfang]

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Honestly what stopped the crying about SS's was Mike lowering the success of it going in when contested.

That stopped them from being the best archetype on the game to one of the easiest to defend because if they shot, all you had to do was kind of get up in them and make them get that animation like you was there.


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I posted the really long topic in my edited post above.

Thing is, when he made that adjustment, that's the one I had to post video/picture proof of extremely late closeouts and defenders being behind the elbow affecting a shot at the peak of it's jump about a foot behind the 3-point line like it was a fully contested, blanketed shot. I remember that clearly, lol.

[Hustle Westbrook]

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Harsh tweak but I've already adjusted in MyTeam and am already back to throwing up greens like it's nobodies business.

I'm playing people who are going 1/10 from 3, which is ridiculous. I just put up 26 in the 1st quarter on some guy. Learn your players releases and take smart shots.

[myathebee]

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Agent 00 and other sharpshooter stans/youtubers are crying hard about this...This patch may have ruined spot up shooters. Especially in the pro-am.

[DakkoN]

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Agent 00 and other sharpshooter stans/youtubers are crying hard about this...This patch may have ruined spot up shooters. Especially in the pro-am.

It didn't ruin spot up shooters. It ruined Sharpshooters who think they're playmakers/shot creators who try to be scoring gawds. Offenses built for catch and shoots by Sharpshooters are still perfectly fine. Dribble cheesers doing hop backs into limitless range green light threes aren't fine.