Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Oh so it's just if you greened or not? Not your actual shot result?

[WarMMA]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

This sounds like I finally won't have to adjust speed sliders myself. Really interested to see what the difference feels like.

[Optimus James]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Even if you don't use a shot meter, it still shows when you green a release. People will still know whether or not you greened a shot if you don't have the meter turned on. The only difference is that if the meter is turned off, they won't be able to tell if you really butchered it or if it was close to a green.

All i want is a reasoning behind this.


There is nothing about the idea that makes sense.
Even if he claims shot timing is more difficult this year..

[LorenzoDC]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Will this finally be the year of small ball? 2K has been trapped in the 80s as far as the benefit of height vs. Speed.

That's what I'm hoping. If the net impact of these movement developments helps create more separation among different players and how they play, that would contribute, as Nelson Brooks has said, to better spacing and better passing windows.

That plus what Czar said in a stream where players, on balance, will look a bit more to space to the perimeter rather than cut in comparison to 2k19, could mean more spacing that adds advantages for small ball lineups.

That's the theory, anyway. The wild card is still the collision system between players, including offense and defense, and at what point close player proximity triggers animations that remove control from players.

There's always this invisible amount of space between what we see visually represented as a player where that space is not really free and open, but is instead a little aura that triggers animation capture.

Make that too thin and you get bumper car physics breaking limbs through heads and whatnot. Make it too fat and you get smooth looking interactions among player but less effective space between player models for movement, passing, playing control and gameplay.

So we still need to see how collision detection and animation trigger tech is this year with this new motion system, because that will have a big impact on how well these new features and systems actually contribute to an overall feeling of more open and fluid gameplay that honors player differences in speed, quickness, change of direction, acceleration, etc.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

How can they tell?

For example, go into 2k19 and turn your shot meter off. You won't see a meter anymore, but if you timed it perfectly, there will be a green glow that appears under your player's feet. That's what it's going to be like in 2k20 (with the exception being that apparently you can change it from a green glow to a green splash or something like that).

Unless they put in an option to change your "green" effect to nothing at all, it seems to me that people will be able to tell if you green'd it regardless of whether or not you have the shot meter turned on.

Assuming it's the way it was in 2k19 except everyone can see the shot meter now, it's basically like this:

Shot meter on = people can tell exactly how you timed the shot.
Shot meter off = people can tell if you green'd and that's it.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

For example, go into 2k19 and turn your shot meter off. You won't see a meter anymore, but if you timed it perfectly, there will be a green glow that appears under your player's feet. That's what it's going to be like in 2k20 (with the exception being that apparently you can change it from a green glow to a green splash or something like that).

Unless they put in an option to change your "green" effect to nothing at all, it seems to me that people will be able to tell if you green'd it regardless of whether or not you have the shot meter turned on.

Assuming it's the way it was in 2k19 except everyone can see the shot meter now, it's basically like this:

Shot meter on = people can tell exactly how you timed the shot.
Shot meter off = people can tell if you green'd and that's it.

I might try this when I get home tonight in 2KU. Off the top of head, I don't remember ever seeing a green glow even when the shot meter is off. Thanks.

[mb625]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Why do y'all hate greens so much? I understand they are not realistic FX-wise, but there are absolutely shots that, as a shooter, you feel you did everything right and it's going to drop. It's just a cool little animation to reward the player for perfect execution.

You mean like this?

https://images.app.goo.gl/2PDepZvhnvfZ6Dso8

The fact is that even those shots aren't guarantees.

[alabamarob]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

For example, go into 2k19 and turn your shot meter off. You won't see a meter anymore, but if you timed it perfectly, there will be a green glow that appears under your player's feet. That's what it's going to be like in 2k20 (with the exception being that apparently you can change it from a green glow to a green splash or something like that).

Unless they put in an option to change your "green" effect to nothing at all, it seems to me that people will be able to tell if you green'd it regardless of whether or not you have the shot meter turned on.

Assuming it's the way it was in 2k19 except everyone can see the shot meter now, it's basically like this:

Shot meter on = people can tell exactly how you timed the shot.
Shot meter off = people can tell if you green'd and that's it.

I might try this when I get home tonight in 2KU. Off the top of head, I don't remember ever seeing a green glow even when the shot meter is off. Thanks.

Shot meter and shot feedback are 2 diff things. If you turn both off you will never see green.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Shot meter and shot feedback are 2 diff things. If you turn both off you will never see green.

Oh, well there you go. I definitely have shot feedback on so that I can see if the game considers my shots to be open or not. If the % contested thing that they added in 2k20 is visible for all players, then I guess there won't be a need for me to have that turned on anymore.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Shot meter and shot feedback are 2 diff things. If you turn both off you will never see green.

Aaaaaahhhhh! That explains that. I have both turned off when I play PNO.

[Jrocc23]

Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

We might need a dedicated MyPark/MyProAm player to speak on this, but...what's the benefit of seeing each other's shot meter besides the obvious of not bothering to crash the board for a rebound? When I played the mode, I never thought to myself "Geez, I wish that I could see my teammates' shot meter.".

I wonder if this feature will carry over to PNO?

This is a main mode for me and I would say I am dedicated even though the past few years my time on the Park has becoming less and less.

I never thought one time we should be able to see each other’s release. It’s just silly all around. I would guess it’s online as well for regular games. He said if you turn your meter off, people will only see when you green which is still a awful decision.


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[El_Tercero]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Shot meter and shot feedback are 2 diff things. If you turn both off you will never see green.

That's how I always played. I grew up on 2K before they introduced the shot meter. Never liked it. It distracted me from the actual jumper, especially online. I just keep "shot feedback" on. I hope in 2K20 when I turn off my shot meter it will also turn off my opponents'. I'm not trying to see their shot meters. I wouldn't mind knowing if they greened though. I kind of like that effect. Kind of like when Curry or Klay gets open and as they release ityou just know it's going in and you get deflated. I wouldn't mind seeing a player go green against me. Or myself going green against my opponent. I just don't want to see my opponent's shot meter.

[Jrocc23]

Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Nah. vni. If you dont use it they wont see it. They only see what you see.

1. I hate greens. Worst addition ever.
2. I hate the shot meter. 2nd worst addition ever.
3. I think the release should be good or bad. If you release late it should be short rim. If you release early it should be long.
4. If people want to use the "arcade" shot meter then everyone should be able to see it.
5. Hopefully, now that your meter is on full display it will discourage people from using it.
6. Why should the shooter be the only one who knows that his shot is going in?

No matter if you’re using it or not people will still know if you greened the shot or not. It’s silly and found the closest positive but even that doesn’t make sense to me.

It seems like you know it’s silly forreal but you’re hoping it’s so silly, selfishly, you hope it forces more people to turn it off since you don’t like the meter. I wouldn’t mind if it was gone completely but since it’s there I use it since I am so used to it. I just don’t think because you seeing your release everyone should as well. The shooter shouldn’t know but he’s the one shooting the ball and would definitely know if a shot is going in compared to everyone on the court because it’s his release. A release he’s practice 1000s and 1000s of times. Just not realistic at all.


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

That's how I always played. I grew up on 2K before they introduced the shot meter. Never liked it. It distracted me from the actual jumper, especially online. I just keep "shot feedback" on. I hope in 2K20 when I turn off my shot meter it will also turn off my opponents'. I'm not trying to see their shot meters. I wouldn't mind knowing if they greened though. I kind of like that effect. Kind of like when Curry or Klay gets open and as they release ityou just know it's going in and you get deflated. I wouldn't mind seeing a player go green against me. Or myself going green against my opponent. I just don't want to see my opponent's shot meter.

I've been playing basketball video games since the 90's, so the idea of the shot meter always felt unnecessary. I have attempted to use it here and there to calibrate my shot if I'm going through an abnormally long stretch of games of poor shooting. However, I seem to always go back to the timing of the shooting animation for my shot release.

Giving this more thought, this might be a bad idea. In PNO, I can see myself getting even more frustrated if I think I fully contested a shot, and my opponent fully greens the shot. Beyond that, I can't see it being a positive or negative for the mode I play.

However, I can see this being a new "criteria" to judge players by in the MyPark mode. If you have your shot meter on and never green, I could see your own teammates belittling you, because "you suck" at making your shots. I can see it being worse if they see that you had a lot of late/early releases. On the other hand, I could see players refusing to play with other players who don't have their shot meter on. The snobbery of being on a team full of players who can mostly green their shots is going to be on an all-time high.

[Jrocc23]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

I've been playing basketball video games since the 90's, so the idea of the shot meter always felt unnecessary. I have attempted to use it here and there to calibrate my shot if I'm going through an abnormally long stretch of games of poor shooting. However, I seem to always go back to the timing of the shooting animation for my shot release.



Giving this more thought, this might be a bad idea. In PNO, I can see myself getting even more frustrated if I think I fully contested a shot, and my opponent fully greens the shot. Beyond that, I can't see it being a positive or negative for the mode I play.



However, I can see this being a new "criteria" to judge players by in the MyPark mode. If you have your shot meter on and never green, I could see your own teammates belittling you, because "you suck" at making your shots. I can see it being worse if they see that you had a lot of late/early releases. On the other hand, I could see players refusing to play with other players who don't have their shot meter on. The snobbery of being on a team full of players who can mostly green their shots is going to be on an all-time high.

Agree with all of this. I just can’t find any positives about this. Rob had the closest one too me but even that doesn’t do it for me and you’ll still know if they greened or not.

Mikes life is going to be hell on Twitter with people spamming videos like “how this person green or make this shot with half a bar while I was on him.” Ugh. Just typing that sounds silly.


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