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  • Mintsa
    All Star
    • Aug 2002
    • 6667

    #166
    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

    4-17 boys........4-17.........

    What should I see right away to back out of a game and search again ?

    Nobody’s avg PPG is over 10 ?

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    • Kleinevos
      Pro
      • Nov 2017
      • 599

      #167
      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

      Originally posted by Mintsa
      4-17 boys........4-17.........

      What should I see right away to back out of a game and search again ?

      Nobody’s avg PPG is over 10 ?

      Ppg over 15 and assists over 2


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      • tru11
        MVP
        • Aug 2010
        • 1816

        #168
        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

        Originally posted by Mintsa
        4-17 boys........4-17.........

        What should I see right away to back out of a game and search again ?

        Nobody’s avg PPG is over 10 ?


        Assist over 3 on avg and teamgrade of A- or higher.

        High point avg but low other 2 is usually someone who plays hero ball.
        Same with high rebounds but low other 2, is someone who is tries putbacks pretty much after every rebound and has no court awareness for outletpasses.

        As a bigmen its easy to get an A+ grade.
        Guards is a lil bit harder but still possible.




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        • ksuttonjr76
          All Star
          • Nov 2004
          • 8662

          #169
          Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

          Originally posted by Mintsa
          4-17 boys........4-17.........

          What should I see right away to back out of a game and search again ?

          Nobody’s avg PPG is over 10 ?
          Meh...I got a losing record too, lol. Majority of my losses were in the beginning, because that's when you'll run into a lot more hero ball, basketball IQ at its dumbest, and dudes who get butt hurt if they don't touch the ball.

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          • Mintsa
            All Star
            • Aug 2002
            • 6667

            #170
            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
            Meh...I got a losing record too, lol. Majority of my losses were in the beginning, because that's when you'll run into a lot more hero ball, basketball IQ at its dumbest, and dudes who get butt hurt if they don't touch the ball.
            Ok, no science behind it ?

            Just play the game and hope for the best ?

            PPG don’t matter ?

            Players with that generic brown panel don’t matter ?

            Team overalls ?

            Seems like it’s a crap shoot, either you get teammates that know how to play or your don’t ?

            So when the game starts and I immediately see that I’m on squad
            That’s going nowhere quick, just focus on getting my numbers as the each slowly quit one by one.....?

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            • Erithtotl
              Pro
              • Aug 2002
              • 679

              #171
              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

              Originally posted by Mintsa
              Ok, no science behind it ?

              Just play the game and hope for the best ?

              PPG don’t matter ?

              Players with that generic brown panel don’t matter ?

              Team overalls ?

              Seems like it’s a crap shoot, either you get teammates that know how to play or your don’t ?

              So when the game starts and I immediately see that I’m on squad
              That’s going nowhere quick, just focus on getting my numbers as the each slowly quit one by one.....?
              I gave plenty of advice in my new player rec advice thread: https://forums.operationsports.com/f...r-players.html

              The most basic things are 1) look at rep. Higher rep players >>> high rating players and 2) don't play like an idiot or people will stop passing you the ball

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              • ksuttonjr76
                All Star
                • Nov 2004
                • 8662

                #172
                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                Originally posted by Mintsa
                Ok, no science behind it ?

                Just play the game and hope for the best ?

                PPG don’t matter ?

                Players with that generic brown panel don’t matter ?

                Team overalls ?

                Seems like it’s a crap shoot, either you get teammates that know how to play or your don’t ?

                So when the game starts and I immediately see that I’m on squad
                That’s going nowhere quick, just focus on getting my numbers as the each slowly quit one by one.....?
                Rep is probably the most important, because at least you know that they played a lot of games relatively speaking. Keep in my mind that Rep can be increased by playing Park games too.

                Truthfully, it really is a crapshoot. It all comes down to Basketball IQ and players understanding their role within the team. I'm working on my second build, and it's night and day if I were to compare how people play with higher reps versus people with lower reps. Also, you have to keep in consideration that the game is "uglier" in games with players who have lower overalls, because people don't have all their badges.

                From my experience....

                Some people were not MEANT to be PGs. Clearly, they only created PG builds for the badges and desire to have the ball in their hands. Playing as a C now, I'm just amazed how many "PGs" don't pick their heads up, although they're playing a game from 3rd person view.

                Most player want to be the "hero" of the team and don't know how to adjust their role when the game is not playing to their strengths. Some games (w/the PG), I'll have very low assist numbers, because there was someone who was just better than me. Some games, I'll be lending scorer, because my matchup doesn't know how to play defense. It just depends on people's mentality. If they're determined to be the "Da Man", then you're in for a long game, lol.

                Players playing "buddy" basketball.

                Post players are non-existent. I swear that I got to be the only C in REC who takes the pass, but waits before trying to back down my matchup. Most times, I'm just waiting for my guards to move into the open spaces, because players CAN'T help themselves when a big has the ball in the post. Too many perimeter players think it's just an easy steal, so they'll drop down to double/triple the big.

                It's a BLESSING when you got a sharpshooter that knows how to move without the ball and can shoot lights out. I swear that a good PG/Sharpshooter relationship seems to lend well to overall good teamwork basketball.

                And yes...if you end up on a squad that's going no where, and they're quitting one by one, then just focus on your numbers and teammate grade. Contrary to what some believe, there's NO shame in playing the game to the end instead of quitting like everyone else. Personally, I tend to respect players more that don't quit than those who do.

                Erithtotl did put together a nice guide/thread on the subject. It has a LOT of great advice within it.
                Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 03-30-2020, 10:42 AM.

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                • tru11
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 1816

                  #173
                  Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                  Originally posted by Mintsa
                  Ok, no science behind it ?

                  Just play the game and hope for the best ?

                  PPG don’t matter ?

                  Players with that generic brown panel don’t matter ?

                  Team overalls ?

                  Seems like it’s a crap shoot, either you get teammates that know how to play or your don’t ?

                  So when the game starts and I immediately see that I’m on squad
                  That’s going nowhere quick, just focus on getting my numbers as the each slowly quit one by one.....?
                  assist and teamgrade tells you pretty much what you need to know.

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                  • ksuttonjr76
                    All Star
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 8662

                    #174
                    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                    Originally posted by tru11
                    assist and teamgrade tells you pretty much what you need to know.
                    Definitely teammate grade, but I just discovered that the stats is combined from ALL your builds. I thought the stats were specific to whatever build you are using at the time.

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                    • tru11
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 1816

                      #175
                      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                      Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                      Definitely teammate grade, but I just discovered that the stats is combined from ALL your builds. I thought the stats were specific to whatever build you are using at the time.

                      If only that where the case.
                      Would have made a lot more sense...


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                      • Mintsa
                        All Star
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 6667

                        #176
                        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                        Ok ok.


                        So basically no pre-game indicator, dashboarding and re-searching is pointless.


                        Feel the first few minutes out, if you see teamball and basketball iq, play within those boundaries the best you can.

                        After the first few minutes you see your butt is about to get handed to you on a platter, go get your numbers .....

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                        • ksuttonjr76
                          All Star
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 8662

                          #177
                          Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                          Originally posted by Mintsa
                          Ok ok.


                          So basically no pre-game indicator, dashboarding and re-searching is pointless.


                          Feel the first few minutes out, if you see teamball and basketball iq, play within those boundaries the best you can.

                          After the first few minutes you see your butt is about to get handed to you on a platter, go get your numbers .....
                          You got it.

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                          • TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2019
                            • 359

                            #178
                            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                            Starting to think there's something really up with 2K players in Rec. Like they was raised wrong or something lmao. Screw or 2 loose. 5 games in a row, same madness. I guess I'm stupid to keep playing, expecting 'hey they can't ALL be like this right?'

                            We need Rec Badges in next year's game, dynamically earned based on how you play. That would be beautiful.

                            - High Eqo Low Iq Badge
                            - Volume Shooter Low FG% Badge
                            - Buddy Baller BFFS4EVER Badge
                            - Troll Badge
                            - Scared of ProAm Try Hard Squad Badge
                            - No Defensive Awareness Badge
                            - No Court Vision Badge

                            Yes I'm just putting the word badge after negative traits from Rec players

                            I swear 90% of the time this is what the experience is smh

                            And then if there could be positive badges

                            - Team Player Badge
                            - High IQ Badge
                            - Clutch Badge
                            etc

                            That'd be kinda cool if you could earn Rec specific badges that were actually taken from your gameplay data and the stuff that makes up teammate grade.

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                            • howardphillips214
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2018
                              • 1928

                              #179
                              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                              Originally posted by TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                              Starting to think there's something really up with 2K players in Rec. Like they was raised wrong or something lmao. Screw or 2 loose. 5 games in a row, same madness. I guess I'm stupid to keep playing, expecting 'hey they can't ALL be like this right?'

                              We need Rec Badges in next year's game, dynamically earned based on how you play. That would be beautiful.

                              - High Eqo Low Iq Badge
                              - Volume Shooter Low FG% Badge
                              - Buddy Baller BFFS4EVER Badge
                              - Troll Badge
                              - Scared of ProAm Try Hard Squad Badge
                              - No Defensive Awareness Badge
                              - No Court Vision Badge

                              Yes I'm just putting the word badge after negative traits from Rec players

                              I swear 90% of the time this is what the experience is smh

                              And then if there could be positive badges

                              - Team Player Badge
                              - High IQ Badge
                              - Clutch Badge
                              etc

                              That'd be kinda cool if you could earn Rec specific badges that were actually taken from your gameplay data and the stuff that makes up teammate grade.
                              It'd be better if there was some algorithm that put good players with good players. If it were based off teammate grade or even by assist/shot ratio at certain positions. GTA online has been putting bad players together for years.

                              Got into a Rec game where a teammate averaged an F teammate grade the other day.

                              I mean... I cringe when i see a C grade. Idk how THAT'S possible let alone an F!

                              But even then, I've had PGs that average 5 assists go into the game and shoot every shot without passing for 3 quarters.

                              So i guess people be having their younger brothers/sisters playing for them some times.

                              But there really needs to be a drastic change to how these games are set up. From the competition you play against to the teammates you play with. This mode needs a hardcore tune up.

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                              • ksuttonjr76
                                All Star
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 8662

                                #180
                                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                                Originally posted by TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                                Starting to think there's something really up with 2K players in Rec. Like they was raised wrong or something lmao. Screw or 2 loose. 5 games in a row, same madness. I guess I'm stupid to keep playing, expecting 'hey they can't ALL be like this right?'

                                We need Rec Badges in next year's game, dynamically earned based on how you play. That would be beautiful.

                                - High Eqo Low Iq Badge
                                - Volume Shooter Low FG% Badge
                                - Buddy Baller BFFS4EVER Badge
                                - Troll Badge
                                - Scared of ProAm Try Hard Squad Badge
                                - No Defensive Awareness Badge
                                - No Court Vision Badge

                                Yes I'm just putting the word badge after negative traits from Rec players

                                I swear 90% of the time this is what the experience is smh

                                And then if there could be positive badges

                                - Team Player Badge
                                - High IQ Badge
                                - Clutch Badge
                                etc

                                That'd be kinda cool if you could earn Rec specific badges that were actually taken from your gameplay data and the stuff that makes up teammate grade.
                                They need SOMETHING to promote smart teamwork. When I was a PNO Vet, I remember reading previous threads about MyPark and REC players not having basketball IQ. Back then, I used to think that it can't be possible that people were that stupid. How do you have a team of 5 people, and they're NOT be some type of synergy between players? It's easier to "cheese" PNO, because it's just one user using a team. For me, I thought I was prepared for the stupidity that was REC.

                                100+ games later and after maxing out my build EVER...I come to realize that the general community is really stupid. Personally, I can't even blame the game (in most aspects anyways). Players REALLY don't know how to play basketball other than what they see on ESPN Sportscenter highlights. What seems like basic fundamentals to me seems like rocket science to others. When I look back on all the changes that 2KSports made to the game over the years, they were definitely catering to the lowest denominator. Yet with all the hand holding that is in this game, fools STILL don't know how to play team basketball. When I play the PG, I could somewhat "force" teamwork. As my C...yeah, I've seen some very low IQ plays on a regular basis.

                                I still believe NBA 2K20 is very solid game when played RIGHT. It's the community that makes the game seem arcadish. Honestly, if 2KSports catered more to and based gameplay changes on the REC community, I think this game could be so much better. MyPark should NEVER be the measuring stick for gameplay changes.
                                Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 03-31-2020, 09:41 AM.

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