Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on release

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • vannwolfhawk
    MVP
    • Jun 2009
    • 3412

    #61
    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

    Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
    Yep, the hip rides are great, when's there's some backside help. But if there's none it's basically the defender escorting you in for a mildly contested lay up.
    Ya I didn’t have that problem before so I could do that and I haven’t played post patch barely at all yet. I’m vicariously living through you guys and your videos as I’m out of town. I’ll be back in slider rabbit hole h*** upon my return. Lol

    But no sliders can fix this problem clearly.
    Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 10-02-2021, 09:24 PM.
    Basketball Playbooks
    http://www.nextplayhoops.com

    Comment

    • Smirkin Dirk
      All Star
      • Oct 2008
      • 5179

      #62
      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

      I was just watching some sim gameplay from a week or 2 ago. Not perfect, but night and day.


      Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
      2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

      Comment

      • NYJin2011tm
        MVP
        • Oct 2011
        • 2765

        #63
        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

        Ok I’m genuinely confused. What’s the latest ps5 update for this game end in… 7? I’m reading about this bad D now and I’m not seeing it. Is it just with certain play calls or pick n rolls? I just played a quarter in my franchise with my expansion team vs the Cavs. Now I should say I use auto playcalling and don’t use manual pick n roll. I purposely tried to beat my man off the dribble one in one using turbo and couldn’t do it at all. I don’t see a difference in the D? Do I have the latest update?

        Comment

        • Johnnythelegend
          Pro
          • Mar 2010
          • 812

          #64
          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

          I knew it, so glad I put off buying the game.

          Comment

          • Smirkin Dirk
            All Star
            • Oct 2008
            • 5179

            #65
            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

            Some more examples. In this one, obviously Bam should bump down. Not sure if that tech is still built in fro the OG era that a player has to be looking to help, but he's clearly looking and doesn't move. The

            https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>



            This one is interesting. Manual pick and roll. for some reason Lowry helps (late) and not Tucker who had the better angle and was closer. However you did see some help the helper so that is still in there.

            https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>



            This one is pretty bad. I get the mismatch on the slow big. Get past him (this is a big improvement. They no longer move like prime Hakeem IMO). But...2 of the highest IQ defenders in the league forget any concept of help D.

            https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

            2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

            Comment

            • rudyjuly2
              Cade Cunningham
              • Aug 2002
              • 14816

              #66
              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

              Originally posted by NYJin2011tm
              Ok I’m genuinely confused. What’s the latest ps5 update for this game end in… 7? I’m reading about this bad D now and I’m not seeing it. Is it just with certain play calls or pick n rolls? I just played a quarter in my franchise with my expansion team vs the Cavs. Now I should say I use auto playcalling and don’t use manual pick n roll. I purposely tried to beat my man off the dribble one in one using turbo and couldn’t do it at all. I don’t see a difference in the D? Do I have the latest update?
              I don’t think there is that much difference in on ball defence. But the lack of help defence on blow byes to the rim. And it’s mostly noticeable on manual pick and rolls. I think the help defence at release was still a bit underwhelming but it’s gotten worse with the “cutter help” patch. Be nice if the help defence slider worked.

              Comment

              • AIRJ23
                MVP
                • Apr 2021
                • 2804

                #67
                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                Can someone tell me how to find the coaching sliders to raise Help D on? Even though I know it doesn’t work. Can’t seem to find it.

                Comment

                • jeebs9
                  Fear is the Unknown
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 47568

                  #68
                  Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                  Originally posted by AIRJ23
                  Can someone tell me how to find the coaching sliders to raise Help D on? Even though I know it doesn’t work. Can’t seem to find it.
                  Coaches settings.... I think
                  Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

                  Comment

                  • rudyjuly2
                    Cade Cunningham
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 14816

                    #69
                    Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                    Right now the defensive players are too concerned about non-ball perimeter threats and don’t adjust to ball threats, specifically when they have a clear path to the basket.

                    In these next two clips you will see lousy D by me lol. I have a mismatch in the first clip so I double down and my cpu teammates rotate beautifully for the next pass. I am picking my nose and don’t leave the Paint. https://twitter.com/rudyjuly2/status...380234240?s=21

                    In this second clip I get screened and run out and blow my assignment. My teammate Jerami Grant has help position but is far more concerned about a potential pass to the top of the circle. Wtf are you doing here Jerami? Stop the ball!

                    Comment

                    • Smirkin Dirk
                      All Star
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 5179

                      #70
                      Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                      Then you see AI defense like this and see the potential.

                      https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>
                      2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

                      Comment

                      • Mikelopedia
                        The Real Birdman
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 1523

                        #71
                        Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                        Originally posted by alabamarob
                        I honestly think it is a bug or mistake. Past experience tells me that Czar spends a lot of time getting things right, and didn’t kill the help defense. I am going to guess when he removed cutter help, that it bugged the regular help on drives. The next roster update or patch will probably fix that.
                        This is exactly what I'm hoping, as cutter help was all Czar was discussing, and thats the system that was being exploited and creating the issue. There was absolutely no need to seemingly turn all other help systems (tagging the roller, weakside playing 2, weakside rotation, drive help and rotate) off or back to essentially how it was in 2k21. So I'm hoping this was a mistake as at this point I'm done with this game for the time being. I'm not interested in just being focused on winning a 1v1 battle with the AI on ball defender everytime down or trying to make sure my league mates limit themselves from just "R2, square"ing for an easy layup with no help every other bucket.

                        In the future, I would really hope that 2k focused more on basketball solutions such as addressing passing rather than removing promising team defense actions. I'm sure many non 5 v 5 NBA gamers would hate this but if you weren't able to "dot" the corner, and that pass would rather have a little bit more loft to it as it does irl, that would also help alleviate that exploit as well.
                        Die hard Heat and Dolphins fan since '89

                        PSN: MiiikeMarsh

                        Comment

                        • The 24th Letter
                          ERA
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 39373

                          #72
                          Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                          Great posts fellas!

                          Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm playing College in MyCareer and the rotations seem to be pre patch like. Going to try and get some footage.

                          EDIT: Nevermind, lol


                          Sent from my SM-G781U using Tapatalk
                          Last edited by The 24th Letter; 10-03-2021, 09:32 AM.

                          Comment

                          • rudyjuly2
                            Cade Cunningham
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 14816

                            #73
                            Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                            Originally posted by Smirkin Dirk
                            This isn’t really help D tho. They decide to double and then rotate beautifully off ball. The game has good rotations. But help defenders appear clueless on blow byes and that’s the big issue imo.

                            Comment

                            • xCoachDx
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2015
                              • 1296

                              #74
                              Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                              Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                              This isn’t really help D tho. They decide to double and then rotate beautifully off ball. The game has good rotations. But help defenders appear clueless on blow byes and that’s the big issue imo.

                              Only thing that needs to happen in the double team rotations is the weakside corner defender needs to go somewhere too. Either step all the way up and leave his current man open, or split the difference between the open guys and take whichever one the ball is thrown to. Not really any reason to leave the player open that is being left open. Especially with how easy it is to zip a skip pass out of a double team.

                              Comment

                              • Mikelopedia
                                The Real Birdman
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 1523

                                #75
                                Re: Please turn the help defense, and cutter help defense back to were it was on rele

                                Off of double team calls is the only situation currently where rotations are still happening.
                                Die hard Heat and Dolphins fan since '89

                                PSN: MiiikeMarsh

                                Comment

                                Working...