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  • ajg52801
    Rookie
    • Oct 2015
    • 352

    #511
    Re: Badging Thread

    Any ideas for Ron artest guys. He comes ankle, defensive stopper, pick dodger and pick pocket. 6 slots to pick.

    I'm thinking corner and catch and shoot for sure. What else?

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    • Nickstank
      Pro
      • Oct 2015
      • 839

      #512
      Re: Badging Thread

      Originally posted by harryl
      Maybe try and play a few games with him and see how you use him in the flow of a game. Look at his shot chart and see how often you are shooting with him from the corner zones. If you're very disciplined about shot selection, you may take more uncontested corner threes with him, than contested threes in all zones.

      I think Dimer is just about a must-have if you move the ball around a lot or for a player who will pass out to a shooter. I think Baylor qualifies as the latter, for sure, given that you'll want to ISO him and post up on weaker guards/wings.

      Posterizer is useful in obvious ways.

      I would personally consider taking the three you are choosing between for the last spot, use them all, and take out Deep Range Deadeye and Bruiser.

      And if you're primarily going to post up, I would consider making room for Dreamlike Up & Under. But you probably need to play with him in the post for a while to get a feel for his moves and how much you want to emphasize that part of his game.
      I've thought long and hard about what you suggested and how I see myself using Baylor (I won't get him until Friday), and here's where I landed...

      -Defensive Stopper (must have for obvious reasons)
      -Catch & Shoot (must have for my Flow/Pace freelances)
      -Post Spin Technician (most OP post move, and I'll be posting up Baylor at SG for sure)
      -Deep Range Deadeye
      -Posterizer
      -Dimer

      So I took out Bruiser like you suggested and I added Dimer and Posterizer as for sure badges to have. However, I decided to keep Deep Range Deadeye instead of replacing it with Corner Specialist. I started running the Rockets playbook recently, and even though Baylor doesn't have any shooting plays, he will have 3 point opportunities as a part of plays I call for my other wings. The Rockets 3PT plays have multiple options for open looks within each play, which is one reason I love this playbook. Those opportunities will mostly come on the wings or at the top of the key instead of the corner. Deep Range Deadeye will help on any contested 3, and I think it will be needed more frequently than Corner Specialist based on how I play. I appreciate the advice and the encouragement to look at it more analytically!
      End Game Lineup: http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/10...ine-end-lineup

      All-Time Cavs Lineup (current): http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/1131281/all-time-cavs

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      • harryl
        MVP
        • Apr 2015
        • 2663

        #513
        Re: Badging Thread

        Originally posted by ajg52801
        Any ideas for Ron artest guys. He comes ankle, defensive stopper, pick dodger and pick pocket. 6 slots to pick.

        I'm thinking corner and catch and shoot for sure. What else?
        It's not easy.

        Rim Protector
        Catch and Shoot
        Corner Specialist
        Dimer
        Brick Wall
        Bruiser
        Post Spin Tech
        Dreamlike
        Hustle Rebounder

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        • ajg52801
          Rookie
          • Oct 2015
          • 352

          #514
          Re: Badging Thread

          Originally posted by harryl
          It's not easy.

          Rim Protector
          Catch and Shoot
          Corner Specialist
          Dimer
          Brick Wall
          Bruiser
          Post Spin Tech
          Dreamlike
          Hustle Rebounder
          I know. It's def not easy. This is what I hv broken down to in order of preference:

          1. Catch and shoot
          2. Corner
          3. Posterizer
          4. Relentless
          5. Rim protector
          6. Acrobat
          7. Brick wall
          8. Post spin
          9. Bruiser

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          • harryl
            MVP
            • Apr 2015
            • 2663

            #515
            Re: Badging Thread

            There was a "review" on the Reddit sub by a player who said that he post spins very well off of wings and guards, which makes sense. So try that move out and see what you think.

            Also said that posting up on smaller guys made him want to put on Bruiser...all that contact will drain energy. So consider that. I usually don't put on Bruiser if I don't have a slot on for basically everything else I'd want, but the badge still makes sense.

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            • Defconxx
              Rookie
              • Apr 2015
              • 347

              #516
              Re: Badging Thread

              Originally posted by ajg52801
              I know. It's def not easy. This is what I hv broken down to in order of preference:

              1. Catch and shoot
              2. Corner
              3. Posterizer
              4. Relentless
              5. Rim protector
              6. Acrobat
              7. Brick wall
              8. Post spin
              9. Bruiser
              Based on my experience with Ruby Artest and the limited badge slots he came with, Catch and Shoot is a no brainer. Corner specialist might help but I couldn't equip it after I had added the defensive badges he was lacking, I still shot a 44% from 3 out of 190 games with him. The ruby comes with posterizer and it definitely helps him attacking the rim (Ruby and diamond have the same ratings in that category). Acrobat and relentless finisher would have helped ruby Artest greatly as he has not so great layup ratings and generic animations.
              Last edited by Defconxx; 03-27-2017, 02:12 PM.
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              • ajg52801
                Rookie
                • Oct 2015
                • 352

                #517
                Re: Badging Thread

                Originally posted by Defconxx
                Based on my experience with Ruby Artest and the limited badge slots he came with, Catch and Shoot is a no brainer. Corner specialist might help but I couldn't equip it after I had added the defensive badges he was lacking, I still shot a 44% from 3 out of 190 games with him. The ruby comes with posterizer and it definitely helps him attacking the rim (Ruby and diamond have the same ratings in that category). Acrobat and relentless finisher would have helped ruby Artest greatly as he has not so great layup ratings and generic animations.
                Thanks for this. Wow 190 games is a great sample size. So based on your experience looks like my first 6 choices look pretty solid.

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                • nnng07
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 204

                  #518
                  Re: Badging Thread

                  I reaaally hope they let us re-badge over previously-used badge slots next year. It would make things a lot more interesting.

                  I love the Diamond Harden I recently picked up but am really struggling over filling the last badge slot. I gave him Limitless, Catch & Shoot, Defensive Stopper, Acrobat, and P&R Maestro so far. I'd love to try out One Man Fast Break, Pick Pocket, Posterizer, and Ankle Breaker for the last spot to see which one fits best, but that's not an option unfortunately.

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                  • harryl
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 2663

                    #519
                    Re: Badging Thread

                    Originally posted by nnng07
                    I reaaally hope they let us re-badge over previously-used badge slots next year. It would make things a lot more interesting.

                    I love the Diamond Harden I recently picked up but am really struggling over filling the last badge slot. I gave him Limitless, Catch & Shoot, Defensive Stopper, Acrobat, and P&R Maestro so far. I'd love to try out One Man Fast Break, Pick Pocket, Posterizer, and Ankle Breaker for the last spot to see which one fits best, but that's not an option unfortunately.
                    Not to make things even more difficult, but you should really consider Post Spin Technician. When he has that, and is posting up on a smaller PG, it's a BBQ chicken feast for Harden.

                    Out of the ones you list, I think my instinct would be to go with Posterizer.

                    [EDIT: Wrote out the below before going back and seeing/realizing you already added Acrobat. Duh. But leaving it in, in case other people are deciding on badges for Harden and reading this.]

                    But I'd actually urge you to strongly consider Acrobat in addition to any on your list, and instead of any on your list, if need be.

                    He has very strong tendency to drive. And out of his driving tendencies, they're very heavily weighted toward layups. General driving layup, but even higher for floater and hop-step and maxed out 99 for Euro-Step. Tough, contested layups are pretty much his bread and butter and that's definitively Acrobat territory.

                    It's bizarre he doesn't have it by default. I think there's a pretty decent chance Harden gets a PD this cycle. Either for some outrageous playoff performance, or maybe for MVP, if he gets that. I'd expect that sort of elite card to get HoF Acrobat, in addition to HoF Difficult Shots, as well as HoF Tireless Scorer, maybe HoF Relentless Finisher.
                    Last edited by harryl; 03-27-2017, 05:30 PM.

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                    • nnng07
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 204

                      #520
                      Re: Badging Thread

                      Originally posted by harryl
                      Not to make things even more difficult, but you should really consider Post Spin Technician. When he has that, and is posting up on a smaller PG, it's a BBQ chicken feast for Harden.

                      Out of the ones you list, I think my instinct would be to go with Posterizer.

                      [EDIT: Wrote out the below before going back and seeing/realizing you already added Acrobat. Duh. But leaving it in, in case other people are deciding on badges for Harden and reading this.]

                      But I'd actually urge you to strongly consider Acrobat in addition to any on your list, and instead of any on your list, if need be.

                      He has very strong tendency to drive. And out of his driving tendencies, they're very heavily weighted toward layups. General driving layup, but even higher for floater and hop-step and maxed out 99 for Euro-Step. Tough, contested layups are pretty much his bread and butter and that's definitively Acrobat territory.

                      It's bizarre he doesn't have it by default. I think there's a pretty decent chance Harden gets a PD this cycle. Either for some outrageous playoff performance, or maybe for MVP, if he gets that. I'd expect that sort of elite card to get HoF Acrobat, in addition to HoF Difficult Shots, as well as HoF Tireless Scorer, maybe HoF Relentless Finisher.
                      The reason I've been hesitant to put Posterizer on him is because his driving dunk tendency is only a 35, while his layup tendencies are high, as you've mentioned. He does have a 75 flashy dunk tendency, and it seems like Posterizer would help there. I've been trying to track how many dunks I miss with him, and it's roughly one every 2 games.

                      Regarding Harden in general, I can't believe it took me this long to discover how good he is in MyTeam this year. He is easily the best player for me to use for my offensive style. My bench unit is Harden, Battier, Pierce, Reed, and Gasol and I use Harden to create on every possession offensively, while having excellent help defenders to cover for his (generally overstated) defensive liabilities on the other end.

                      I'm generally content with my lineup for the rest of the year, but when Harden gets his PD, I'm going to sell everything I need to in order to get it.

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                      • harryl
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 2663

                        #521
                        Re: Badging Thread

                        I get what you're saying about his Driving Dunk tendency. My sense with all the Hardens I've played is that, if he has a lane open, he dunks. Pulling this out of my @ss, but my feeling is that, when there is a defender in the way, he goes for a layup.

                        But I get a lot of dunk opportunities with him from post-spinning on smaller defenders. And when one spams that, it attracts help rotations from nearby bigs. So I could see getting plenty of dunk opportunities that get him to launch into dunk animation, but the dunks ending up being contested because a big rotates to meet him at the rim. In that case, Posterizer would help.

                        Another thing to consider is if Posterizer increases dunk animations instead of layup animations. I'm pretty sure it does. I'm pretty sure, when I dropped Gold Posterizer onto MRR, he started dunking more, and with nasty, nasty flashy animations, too.

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                        • Nickstank
                          Pro
                          • Oct 2015
                          • 839

                          #522
                          Re: Badging Thread

                          Originally posted by nnng07
                          Regarding Harden in general, I can't believe it took me this long to discover how good he is in MyTeam this year. He is easily the best player for me to use for my offensive style. My bench unit is Harden, Battier, Pierce, Reed, and Gasol and I use Harden to create on every possession offensively, while having excellent help defenders to cover for his (generally overstated) defensive liabilities on the other end.

                          I'm generally content with my lineup for the rest of the year, but when Harden gets his PD, I'm going to sell everything I need to in order to get it.
                          Harden is spectacular. I've had his Amethyst in my rotation since I got him a few months ago. He's still the most consistent and deadly offensive player I've used, even after all this time. His Diamond card was kind of a troll when it came out because it had minimal upgrades (and worse badging somehow) and cost way more than the Amy. Since the Adidas packs dropped, the Diamond is now dirt cheap, so I decided to take the plunge.

                          I sold my badged up Amy for 30K and bought a mostly badged (All bronzes upgraded to gold, plus gold catch & shoot and ankle breaker) Diamond Harden for 38K. I spent another 5K badging him up how I wanted and sniped another Harden in the process. After that sold, I essentially spent 10K to upgrade to a fully badged Diamond. I went all offense with my badges because I want him to be an unstoppable force on my second unit. Defensive badges seemed like a waste on a guy with mediocre defensive ratings who I'm going to hide on the least threatening perimeter player on the opposing team. Here's what my new Diamond Harden has added:

                          Catch & Shoot
                          Limitless Range
                          P&R Maestro
                          Acrobat
                          Posterizer
                          Ankle Breaker

                          I also considered Corner Specialist and One Man Fast Break, but decided against them since I think the others will be activated more often with my play style.
                          End Game Lineup: http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/10...ine-end-lineup

                          All-Time Cavs Lineup (current): http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/1131281/all-time-cavs

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                          • harryl
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 2663

                            #523
                            Re: Badging Thread

                            I get what you're saying, in terms of shaping him to be as OP on offense as possible. But I would definitely trade one of those badges for Defensive Stopper. At the least, it nullifies some outside shooting badges that would accentuate his defensive liability. It doesn't matter what his defensive ratings are...that badge neutralizes offensive badges the same, whether it's on Harden or Gary Payton.

                            The badge you list that I would sacrifice would be Catch & Shoot, as he should be ball dominant anyway. Or maybe Limitless Range, if you're rarely going to take long threes.

                            Let's say you have 6 possessions in which Harden shoots after receiving a pass. Let's say he shoots 3-6 without the badge, because they're good looks. Let's say Catch & Shoot helps so much that he goes 5-6 on those looks.

                            I still think Defensive Stopper nets you more points by reducing points scored on him...I think easily 2 less baskets by his matchup, during the course of the game, while he's in.

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                            • Nickstank
                              Pro
                              • Oct 2015
                              • 839

                              #524
                              Re: Badging Thread

                              Originally posted by harryl
                              I get what you're saying, in terms of shaping him to be as OP on offense as possible. But I would definitely trade one of those badges for Defensive Stopper. At the least, it nullifies some outside shooting badges that would accentuate his defensive liability. It doesn't matter what his defensive ratings are...that badge neutralizes offensive badges the same, whether it's on Harden or Gary Payton.

                              The badge you list that I would sacrifice would be Catch & Shoot, as he should be ball dominant anyway. Or maybe Limitless Range, if you're rarely going to take long threes.

                              Let's say you have 6 possessions in which Harden shoots after receiving a pass. Let's say he shoots 3-6 without the badge, because they're good looks. Let's say Catch & Shoot helps so much that he goes 5-6 on those looks.

                              I still think Defensive Stopper nets you more points by reducing points scored on him...I think easily 2 less baskets by his matchup, during the course of the game, while he's in.
                              You could very well be right, and I did think about that initially. Since Harden is the only offense-only player on my team, and I have excellent defensive bigs to back him up, I decided to soup him up as much as possible. He won't be in my crunch time 5 because of his defense, but on my second unit for 8 or 9 minutes a game he can run wild.

                              Also, I've been consistently amazed that more people don't try to take advantage of Harden when he's on defense, and so I took a bit of a chance of that trend continuing. Plus he'll be playing with Magic and Battier in the backcourt, and those two can handle pretty much any tough defensive assignment.
                              End Game Lineup: http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/10...ine-end-lineup

                              All-Time Cavs Lineup (current): http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/1131281/all-time-cavs

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                              • harryl
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 2663

                                #525
                                Re: Badging Thread

                                I get your rationale. There isn't necessarily a "wrong" approach.

                                It can be a little tough to exploit Harden on D to a great extent. He's got size and strength, so he can't get bullied the way a Curry can. And he has good athleticism, so he doesn't get beaten down the court easily.

                                I think the most effective way to exploit Harden is probably in a P&R, but a very good player can overcome a lot of bad tendencies by Harden by manualing him.

                                What I think may be the best way to exploit Harden is to call a play for his matchup that has another ballhandler in an ISO situation, especially if the play gives that ballhandler a screen. That way, the defending player will be on-balling to defend the ballhandler and, meanwhile, Harden's assignment is running off an off-ball screen and Harden is liable to lose him.

                                But most people don't run plays a lot. And one can still switch manual control to correct Harden's position and switch quickly back on-ball.

                                The other way to work Harden, I think, is to stack really strong post-up players 1-3 so that Harden can't be hidden from that. He's not so easily backed down, but taking a post-fade against him, if the guy has a very good post-fade, is a good shot because Harden's Contest is only 75 and his Block is basically unviable, at 53.

                                If one had a trio of, say, Magic, PG24, and Pierce, then Harden has to defend one of them. Magic has his post-hook. PG24 has 85 Post Fade, and Pierce has 95 Post Fade.

                                All three are also quite well suited to defend Harden significantly better than he can defend them. But, again, not a lot of people will very systematically try to exploit Harden like this.
                                Last edited by harryl; 03-27-2017, 09:54 PM.

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